# R. Kelly indicted (presumably for sexual assault related crimes) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 22, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038 "2019-02-22T19:48:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/1 "2019-02-22T19:48:08Z")
Details are thin so far: [https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/r-kelly-indicted/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/r-kelly-indicted/index.html) Long overdue, from what I’ve read. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/2 "2019-02-22T20:05:13Z")
TV news says 10 counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse, stemming from '98 to '10. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/3 "2019-02-22T20:47:09Z")
I heard an interview with the woman who made the documentary “[Surviving R. Kelly](https://www.mylifetime.com/shows/surviving-r-kelly)”. I’ve not watched the documentary. According to the woman, Dream Hampton, Kelly would have the girls and their families sign documents to the effect of “We attempted to blackmail R. Kelly” as soon as he got close with them. Then if they would try to speak out against him, he could show the documents they signed as “proof” that he was being set up. [Here’s the NPR interview with Dream Hampton](https://www.npr.org/2019/02/20/695083431/surviving-r-kelly-producer-dream-hampton-takes-on-ecosystem-that-s-supported-him) and some text overview. From the pieces I heard, it seemed that his victims would often want to go back to him - Stockholm Syndrome - much like the young girl who was kidnapped and profiled in the Netflix documentary _Abducted in Plain Sight_. Hampton does discuss the phenomenon of “everyone knew it was happening but no one would or could speak out” as well. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/4 "2019-02-22T21:43:02Z")
Let’s hope it sticks [this time](https://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/05/national/rb-star-r-kelly-indicted-on-child-pornography.html?mtrref=www.fastcompany.com&gwh=B66D26BC5274BBB6AD7C0244F3E3C0A8&gwt=pay). ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/5 "2019-02-22T23:59:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > TV news says 10 counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse, stemming from '98 to '10. Apparently there are at least four victims and some of them were under 17. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/6 "2019-02-23T03:06:51Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Apparently there are at least four victims and some of them were under 17. 3 of them minors ages 13 to 16 and he video taped at least one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/7 "2019-02-23T03:42:22Z")
I know from personal experience trying to put cases like this together that it’s very difficult to get enough evidence after this much tiime. Hopefully it’s enough. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/8 "2019-02-23T04:40:33Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I know from personal experience trying to put cases like this together that it’s very difficult to get enough evidence after this much tiime. Hopefully it’s enough. A video would qualify as pretty good evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/9 "2019-02-23T18:33:51Z")
Well, there is this: [Chappelle's Show - R. Kelly's "Piss on You" Video - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eafRE74JGZ8) ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/10 "2019-02-23T19:02:40Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > A video would qualify as pretty good evidence. It got thrown out before. ETA: rather, a video was thrown out before when prosecuting Kelly for statutory rape/child pornography charges. One in which he apparently urinated on a 13 year old girl. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/11 "2019-02-23T21:12:11Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > A video would qualify as pretty good evidence. It’s even more difficult when the victim doesn’t cooperate. In the previous case the named victim denied it was her and did not cooperate. The prosecution could not prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that it was her. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/12 "2019-02-23T21:14:38Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > It got thrown out before. ETA: rather, a video was thrown out before when prosecuting Kelly for statutory rape/child pornography charges. One in which he apparently urinated on a 13 year old girl. The tape wasn’t thrown out. The jury saw it. [https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2008-06-14-0806140185-story,amp.html](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2008-06-14-0806140185-story,amp.html) ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2019, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/13 "2019-02-24T04:13:32Z")
> [@](#): > > This is another ugly and painful truth that “Surviving R. Kelly” displays in plain view, for all the world to see: Even after millions do bear witness to the pain these women and their families suffered and continue to endure — even after watching scenes in which post-traumatic stress renders some subjects speechless, to the point at which the camera can only capture them silently crying — it might not be enough. > > If there remains any doubt as to why that would be the case, filmmaker dream hampton delivers the answer in the form of an admission from John Petrean, one of the jurors who acquitted Kelly. “I just didn’t believe them, the womans [sic]” he said. “I know it sounds ridiculous — the way they dress, the way they act. I didn’t like them. . . . I disregarded all what they said.” > > Aside from a close school friend of the still-unnamed victim, most of the women Petrean, a white man, refers to are black. > **[Is time finally up for R. Kelly? "Surviving" series shows why he's been...](https://www.salon.com/2019/01/05/is-time-finally-up-for-r-kelly-surviving-series-shows-why-hes-been-protected-for-so-long/)** > > The women accusing R. Kelly of abuse have largely been faceless. This series centers their pain. Will that matter? ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2019, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/14 "2019-02-25T02:35:36Z")
I heard the charges were so outrageous the Catholic church immediately appointed him archbishop of Philadelphia! ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/15 "2019-03-05T23:36:07Z")
Just saw on CBS News a clip from an upcoming interview with him. It is gonna be bonkers. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/16 "2019-03-06T01:36:46Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Just saw on CBS News a clip from an upcoming interview with him. I would have liked to be a fly on the wall when he told his lawyers that he was going to be interviewed about a pending criminal trial. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/17 "2019-03-06T01:51:19Z")
[The clip is on-line now](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/r-kelly-denies-sexual-abuse-allegations-in-explosive-interview-2019-03-05/). ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/18 "2019-03-06T17:42:35Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Just saw on CBS News a clip from an upcoming interview with him. It is gonna be bonkers. My daughter said someone posted a frame from that clip with the comment, “If Gayle King ever looked at me like that, I would explode.” ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/19 "2019-03-06T18:23:26Z")
Exactly how did he imagine such an interview would help his case? He comes across as deranged. Is he hoping to provoke a mistrial? ---
**Author:** ![Royal\_Nonesutch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecb155/32.png) [@Royal\_Nonesutch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Royal_Nonesutch)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038/20 "2019-03-06T18:29:23Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > [https://www.salon.com/2019/01/05/is-time-finally-up-for-r-kelly-surviving-series-shows-why-hes-been-protected-for-so-long/](https://www.salon.com/2019/01/05/is-time-finally-up-for-r-kelly-surviving-series-shows-why-hes-been-protected-for-so-long/) Just when I was starting to lose my faith in my fellow liberals at _Salon_ and right here on the Straight Dope (“Smartest, Hippest!”), I am grateful and relieved to see that the blame has been rightfully cast on the obvious Real Villian in this sad saga, namely white men. O childe, how the devil must laugh… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/r-kelly-indicted-presumably-for-sexual-assault-related-crimes/830038.md?page=2)