# Racialism: Everyone's Favorite Politics **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 11, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715 "2018-07-11T14:56:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/241 "2018-07-13T14:56:25Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Do you go to cancer wards and complain about how unfair it is that everyone there is getting chemo and you’re not getting any? > > You don’t get affirmative action because you haven’t gone through the problems that affirmative action is addressing. Why are Hispanics getting AA? Why aren’t Asians getting AA? In what way have Hispanics gone through more than Asians that would warrant this huge disparity in treatment? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/242 "2018-07-13T14:58:02Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Well, it’s pretty terrific then that I never said that minorities agree on what individual acts of discrimination are. Dodged another bullet. > > What I said - several times, as a matter of fact, in this thread alone - is that darker-skinned people say constantly that they are being discriminated against by white people. And that I, unlike WillFarnaby, believe them when they say this. Therefore, racially-based discrimination actually occurs. And in large numbers. And that we should not stand around waiting for everybody in the world to become colorblind before whites do something to alleviate this. > > Are you, as an apparent non-liberal, saying that any or all of is not true? You know us liberals: we hate saying things that aren’t true. That’s how you tell us from conservatives. As an Asian, I am constantly discriminated against by black people. We should not stand around waiting for the world to become colorblind before black people do something to alleviate this. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/243 "2018-07-13T14:58:51Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why are Hispanics getting AA? > > Why aren’t Asians getting AA? > > In what way have Hispanics gone through more than Asians that would warrant this huge disparity in treatment? Are Asians underrepresented in colleges due to historical injustices? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/244 "2018-07-13T15:02:25Z")
Is “Pulled over for being Asian” a thing? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/245 "2018-07-13T15:02:58Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It’s like an emergency room triage. > > Yes, everyone should be treated equally, but everyone should not receive equal treatment. You would not expect the person that comes in with a broken leg to receive the same treatment as someone who comes in with severe chest pains, would you? > > So, why would the remedies for unequal treatment of demographics need to always be the same, when the problems they face are not? That is a horrible analogy. By that reasoning we would devote almost all our public school resources to the special ed kids. On the other hand it can’t be purely utilitarian either otherwise we would provide very little extra support for special ed kids. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/246 "2018-07-13T15:05:22Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > That is a horrible analogy. > > By that reasoning we would devote almost all our public school resources to the special ed kids. > > On the other hand it can’t be purely utilitarian either otherwise we would provide very little extra support for special ed kids. By the opposite reasoning we should just pretend that there are no special ed kids and just treat them like everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/247 "2018-07-13T15:12:15Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > That’s a good question, but for it to be relevant, you would have to show where I suggest that you suggested that we ignored bigotry. > > Now, ignoring the effects of bigotry is a different matter, and that is exactly what you are suggesting when you say that we should combat racism without considering the effect of racial inequality. OK, where do I say we should ignore the effects of bigotry? Or is all racial inequality the result of bigotry? If not then how much? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/248 "2018-07-13T15:14:41Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m happy to discuss alternative ideas. > > But not if the discussion essentially comes down to _“Let’s immediately abandon affirmative action and any other program with similar goals. And let’s pinky swear that we’ll consider getting together at some indeterminate point in the indefinite future to maybe talk about the possibility of developing something that might replace it.”_ This is still on the table…and in my opinion it sits on top of all the other things brought up here. If affirmative action doesn’t do it for you, _then what do you propose to replace it with?_ ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/249 "2018-07-13T15:56:20Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > That is a horrible analogy. > > By that reasoning we would devote almost all our public school resources to the special ed kids. > > On the other hand it can’t be purely utilitarian either otherwise we would provide very little extra support for special ed kids. Do you know how hospital triage works? I suppose not, with that reply. Does the emergency room devote all of its resources to the most critical patient, or do they simply prioritize the resources based on need? > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > OK, where do I say we should ignore the effects of bigotry? When you say: > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Besides, it really looks like the supreme court will be getting rid of it soon. better to find some non-race based way of achieving a more equitable society. How do we look to achieve a more equitable society without recognizing one of the greatest causes of inequality? > [@](#): > > Or is all racial inequality the result of bigotry? If not then how much? Yes, pretty much. Historical or current, racial inequality is there because people were treated differently based on the color of their skin. Can you explain where racial inequality comes from if it doesn’t come from treating people differently based on their skin color? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/250 "2018-07-13T17:11:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > 1. White racists don’t hate Asians any more? They’re not as good at it as they used to be. There aren’t any more Asian concentration camps. Asians are now legally allowed to immigrate to the USA. They don’t hang Asian men for dating white women anymore in most places, they just shake their head at the woman’s poor taste in men. > [@](#): > > 1. And your alternate plan to replace affirmative action is…? It would be a law requiring affirmative action directed specifically at the descendants of slaves for the next X years to be renewed every X years. I would want to run studies looking at the cause of the disparities and try to address them rather than indefinitely maintain a system where there large gaps in academic achievement along racial lines. But at some point we have to say, we are done. It could be in 5 years or 50 years but this cannot go on forever under the notion that society is too racist for blacks to prosper despite no de jure discrimination. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/251 "2018-07-13T17:14:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I think your last line negates the point you are trying to make. How so? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/252 "2018-07-13T17:15:57Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > They’re not as good at it as they used to be. There aren’t any more Asian concentration camps. Asians are now legally allowed to immigrate to the USA. They don’t hang Asian men for dating white women anymore in most places, they just shake their head at the woman’s poor taste in men. > > It would be a law requiring affirmative action directed specifically at the descendants of slaves for the next X years to be renewed every X years. > > I would want to run studies looking at the cause of the disparities and try to address them rather than indefinitely maintain a system where there large gaps in academic achievement along racial lines. > > But at some point we have to say, we are done. It could be in 5 years or 50 years but this cannot go on forever under the notion that society is too racist for blacks to prosper despite no de jure discrimination. Last time I checked bigots didn’t base their hatred on whether a person is a direct descendent of a slave or not. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/253 "2018-07-13T17:18:02Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Are Asians underrepresented in colleges due to historical injustices? Are you saying there have been no historical injustices suffered by Asians? Unless your goal is equality of results regardless of ability or merit, how is under or over representation relevant if you cannot point to significant differences between the history of Asians in this country and the history of Hispanics in this country? We are talking about pretty significant disparities in how these two groups are treated in the college admissions process, the government contracting process, the employment process, etc. So I’ll ask again: Why are Hispanics getting AA? Why aren’t Asians getting AA? In what way have Hispanics gone through more than Asians that would warrant this huge disparity in treatment? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/254 "2018-07-13T17:19:45Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > By the opposite reasoning we should just pretend that there are no special ed kids and just treat them like everyone else. That’s not a position I have ever taken. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/255 "2018-07-13T17:21:14Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is “Pulled over for being Asian” a thing? Is “pulled over for being Hispanic” a thing? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/256 "2018-07-13T17:23:47Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Are you saying there have been no historical injustices suffered by Asians? > > Unless your goal is equality of results regardless of ability or merit, how is under or over representation relevant if you cannot point to significant differences between the history of Asians in this country and the history of Hispanics in this country? We are talking about pretty significant disparities in how these two groups are treated in the college admissions process, the government contracting process, the employment process, etc. > > So I’ll ask again: > > Why are Hispanics getting AA? > > Why aren’t Asians getting AA? > > In what way have Hispanics gone through more than Asians that would warrant this huge disparity in treatment? Different problems require different solutions. What disparities do Asians in the U.S. currently face, and how may they be alleviated? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/257 "2018-07-13T17:24:38Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Are you saying there have been no historical injustices suffered by Asians? > > Unless your goal is equality of results regardless of ability or merit, how is under or over representation relevant if you cannot point to significant differences between the history of Asians in this country and the history of Hispanics in this country? We are talking about pretty significant disparities in how these two groups are treated in the college admissions process, the government contracting process, the employment process, etc. > > So I’ll ask again: > > Why are Hispanics getting AA? > > Why aren’t Asians getting AA? > > In what way have Hispanics gone through more than Asians that would warrant this huge disparity in treatment? I’m not SAYING anything. I’m ASKING you if Asians are underrepresented in colleges due to past injustices. Are they? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/258 "2018-07-13T17:26:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Is “pulled over for being Hispanic” a thing? This is like playing whack-a-mole. If I address disparities Hispanics face, what group are you going to bring in next? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/259 "2018-07-13T17:27:38Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > This is like playing whack-a-mole. If I address disparities Hispanics face, what group are you going to bring in next? Oooh, ooooh, can you do Mennonites next? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/260 "2018-07-13T17:28:01Z")
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