# Racialism: Everyone's Favorite Politics **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 11, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715 "2018-07-11T14:56:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Kennedy1960](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@Kennedy1960](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kennedy1960)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/301 "2018-07-14T18:11:09Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > You don’t hear blacks folks talking in hushed tones when white folks go about shooting up their local movie theatre, open-air concert, elementary school, high school, college, or church. You don’t hear black folks chatting about white folks eating their tide pods, their semen-covered oreos (yes, this happened), snorting condoms through one’s nasal cavity (yes, this happened), when white kids stab each other over a fictional character called the ‘slender man’ (yes, this happened), or when your high functioning Asperger’s adult child refuse to leave your home. You don’t hear a goddamned peep from black folks. Not a single one. > > You didn’t hear blacks folks complain when you rape and sexually assault your white women. And aside from Brother Crews, we ain’t say shit. Blessed Be the Fruit, as it were. We just find it funny that ya’ll white males scream about being the defenders of white maidenhood but ya’ll are it’s most ardent defilers. Projection at it’s finest. Ya’ll don’t give a shit about your women: and it shows. You don’t hear blacks complain when you guys voted for Trump, either. We already knew you; you only surprised the white liberals (who stupidly believe you can be redeemed). > > You don’t hear blacks talk about how white life expectancy is down, how you’ve conveniently forgot what redlining, Jim Crow, and segregation was, how you’re not having children, how you’re entangled in an opioid “epidemic” (btw, heroin is not a disease), how your spoiled kids are consumed with hate, how your white fragility makes any conversation about race in America like pulling teeth, how your spoiled baby boomer parents and grandparents have burdened this country with trillions of debt because they’re too damned cheap to pay their taxes, how you elect liars, con-artists, and rapists to public office, or how you’re embarrassing yourselves and the country you purport to love every single day. We don’t speak or say shit about white folks faults; we wait, and we vote. Addiction is a disease, actually. And yes, when thousands of young people die yearly from overdoses it can be called an epidemic. We can have conversations about race. But not when one party is coming from a place of resentment and a sense of moral superiority. Also, you talk about hatred, but you sure seem to have a chip on your shoulder against whites. You talk about fragility, but you yourself seem triggered. You also talk as if black people don’t vote, or haven’t voted in the past 70 years for mostly the same shitty leaders who have lied and gotten us into debt. And how are “we” embarrassing “ourselves”? You act is if your race is immune to internal problems, but isn’t. Every single race has its own faults, mine and yours included. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/302 "2018-07-14T18:38:24Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > That assumes that all cultures are exactly equal. In general, if a trait regarded as a defect is part of a culture, then it is neither an inherent trait nor something imposed from the outside. Rather, the members of the culture tend to have the trait and/or enforce it in the community, and the traits perpetuate through growing up surrounded by the culture and its values. > > I do not want speculate on which supposed traits of the African-American community are real, let alone which of these real ones are cultural traits and which are imposed by the outside. I just wanted to say that it is not _necessarily_ the case that all cultural characteristics are imposed from the outside (!) or are inherent in the people (!!) That’s just dancing away from the question. Culture comes from somewhere. In your opinion, does black culture come from inside black people or does it come from outside black people? If you feel that some aspects of black culture come from inside black people and others come from outside, could you give us some examples of which aspects came from each? Let’s use a specific example. Do you feel higher crime rates among black people is something that arises inside black people and is part of their nature? Or do you feel that higher crime rates among black people is a product of the environment they live in? If you took some white people and they had grown up in the same environment, do you feel they would have the same high crime rate? If you took black people and they had grown up in a different environment, do you think they would have had a lower crime rate? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/303 "2018-07-14T18:42:09Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > You don’t hear blacks folks talking in hushed tones when white folks go about shooting up their local movie theatre, open-air concert, elementary school, high school, college, or church. You don’t hear black folks chatting about white folks eating their tide pods, their semen-covered oreos (yes, this happened), snorting condoms through one’s nasal cavity (yes, this happened), when white kids stab each other over a fictional character called the ‘slender man’ (yes, this happened), or when your high functioning Asperger’s adult child refuse to leave your home. You don’t hear a goddamned peep from black folks. Not a single one. > > You didn’t hear blacks folks complain when you rape and sexually assault your white women. And aside from Brother Crews, we ain’t say shit. Blessed Be the Fruit, as it were. We just find it funny that ya’ll white males scream about being the defenders of white maidenhood but ya’ll are it’s most ardent defilers. Projection at it’s finest. Ya’ll don’t give a shit about your women: and it shows. You don’t hear blacks complain when you guys voted for Trump, either. We already knew you; you only surprised the white liberals (who stupidly believe you can be redeemed). > > You don’t hear blacks talk about how white life expectancy is down, how you’ve conveniently forgot what redlining, Jim Crow, and segregation was, how you’re not having children, how you’re entangled in an opioid “epidemic” (btw, heroin is not a disease), how your spoiled kids are consumed with hate, how your white fragility makes any conversation about race in America like pulling teeth, how your spoiled baby boomer parents and grandparents have burdened this country with trillions of debt because they’re too damned cheap to pay their taxes, how you elect liars, con-artists, and rapists to public office, or how you’re embarrassing yourselves and the country you purport to love every single day. We don’t speak or say shit about white folks faults; we wait, and we vote. I’m seeing a black person (or at least a person who’s saying he’s black) saying all this shit right now. ---
**Author:** ![Kennedy1960](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@Kennedy1960](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kennedy1960)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/304 "2018-07-14T18:55:15Z")
I think Huey is a troll playing a part, an agent provocateur here to raise racial tensions. All of his posts have been aimed at whites in bigoted ways. Literally all of them. Either he’s a troll or genuine bigot. Either way, people like him are part of the problem, not the solution. I’m a white man. I recognize my race’s flaws. But I also recognize flaws are part of being human, regardless of race. There are problems unique to each race and culture. Some are internal, some external. The way forward shouldn’t be demonizing whites or blacks for their internal problems in their cultures, it should be in trying to figure out how to bridge the gaps between us. If we keep pointing fingers at each other we’ll never get anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/305 "2018-07-14T19:36:45Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > It’s the source of the problem - the _continuing_ source of the problem. > > And yeah, if everyone suddenly became blind to race, things would be better. We wouldn’t have an opportunity to solve past racial injustices, but it would probably be better and things would have a bit more of a chance to even out. The problem is that attempts to be “colorblind” generally are nothing of the sort! Rather, they demand that institutional solutions to racism be discarded, while offering nothing to actually combat the discrimination that PoC face on a near-daily basis. In practice, colorblindness robs us of the ability to acknowledge that racists gonna racist, denies the lived experience of PoC, and takes away our abilities to systematically push back against that racism. OK, so you agree that this would be the obvious solution, but somehow , for reasons, you think that we shouldn’t work towards the obvious solution, but rather keep the current division of people in categories according to skin tone which create the problem in the first place, presumably so that your great great grandchildren will still have a racism issue to keep them busy. I would note that we seem to be perfecty able to function without dividing people in categories according to hair coulour, so there’s no reason to assume we couldn’t do the same with skin hue. There’s no obvious non cultural reason why it would have to be different. Providing that we stop lovingly nurturing these arbitrary racial divisions, of course. By the way, you can still prosecute people for discrimination without aknowledging “races”. Just send to jail equally anybody who discriminates on the basis of physical appearance, be it on the basis of their delusion that there’s a latino race (picking this one because you guys invented it recently) or their strong dislike of short people. If it happens that there are much more people jailed because they don’t like sun tan than because they don’t like short stature, then so be it. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/306 "2018-07-14T19:58:30Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > OK, so you agree that this would be the obvious solution, but somehow , for reasons, you think that we shouldn’t work towards the obvious solution, but rather keep the current division of people in categories according to skin tone which create the problem in the first place, presumably so that your great great grandchildren will still have a racism issue to keep them busy. > > I would note that we seem to be perfecty able to function without dividing people in categories according to hair coulour, so there’s no reason to assume we couldn’t do the same with skin hue. There’s no obvious non cultural reason why it would have to be different. Providing that we stop lovingly nurturing these arbitrary racial divisions, of course. Good speech, tell it the bigots who do want to divide people into different categories based on superficial appearances. > [@](#): > > By the way, you can still prosecute people for discrimination without aknowledging “races”. Just send to jail equally anybody who discriminates on the basis of physical appearance, be it on the basis of their delusion that there’s a latino race (picking this one because you guys invented it recently) or their strong dislike of short people. If it happens that there are much more people jailed because they don’t like sun tan than because they don’t like short stature, then so be it. So, I go to jail because I don’t date women taller than me? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/307 "2018-07-14T20:01:48Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > If you feel that some aspects of black culture come from inside black people and others come from outside, could you give us some examples of which aspects came from each? > [@Ludovic](#): > > I do not want speculate on which supposed traits of the African-American community are real, let alone which of these real ones are cultural traits and which are imposed by the outside. You were the one asserting that whatever characteristics A-As might have or not have is _necessarily_ either imposed on them from the outside or inherent to them, which isn’t true. I had to read your posts a while to make sure that you were asserting this, but then I read these weird questions: > [@](#): > > If you took some white people and they had grown up in the same environment, do you feel they would have the same high crime rate? If you took black people and they had grown up in a different environment, do you think they would have had a lower crime rate? No, their crime rate would remain the same because of their genetics :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/308 "2018-07-14T21:46:59Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > You were the one asserting that whatever characteristics A-As might have or not have is _necessarily_ either imposed on them from the outside or inherent to them, which isn’t true. > > I had to read your posts a while to make sure that you were asserting this, but then I read these weird questions: I did say that. I’m standing by it. I certainly don’t see it as a controversial position. If a person’s characteristics don’t originate inside that person or outside of that person, where is there left for them to come from? > [@Ludovic](#): > > No, their crime rate would remain the same because of their genetics :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Okay, I’m assuming that’s a sarcastic no. So you’re agreeing there’s nothing inherent in black people that causes them to commit crimes. Crime is a response that develops because some black people grow up in environment that encourages crime. To me, that says we should work on changing that environment. Not just for the sake of the black people who are growing up in it (although I feel that’s a very good reason) but also for all of the future victims of their crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/309 "2018-07-14T21:55:13Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > OK, so you agree that this would be the obvious solution, but somehow , for reasons, you think that we shouldn’t work towards the obvious solution, but rather keep the current division of people in categories according to skin tone which create the problem in the first place, presumably so that your great great grandchildren will still have a racism issue to keep them busy. “Tell it to the racists” is a bit of a flippant answer, but you _do_ realize that the people who need to hear this message are _not_ the ones who acknowledge that racism is stupid, right? My whole argument is that this “obvious solution” _won’t work_. Because it _can’t_ work. Because the people interested in implementing it are diametrically opposed from the people whose cooperation are needed to implement it! Even given the most simplistic, nonsensical view of racism, where racism is a conscious decision, racists aren’t just suddenly going to accept colorblindness. They’re _racists_, why would they? They _already believe_ black people are inferior, they aren’t going to suddenly become colorblind because we ask nicely. And they’re the ones who would _need_ to become colorblind! Throw in subconscious racism, implicit bias, systemic racism, and continuation of past racism through inertia (for an excellent example of that, check out [ContraPoints’s video on Freddie Gray and Baltimore’s lead problem](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r6GBo_7UNc)), and the concept becomes _even more_ unworkable. People who have an implicit bias against black people are not going to spontaneously become colorblind. Applying colorblindness is not going to, to pick one of countless possible examples, spontaneously make [doctors start taking black people’s pain more seriously](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4843483/), because they aren’t _choosing_ to be racist - the bias is, by and large, subconscious. TL;DR: colorblindness does nothing to address anything but conscious racism, which is a tiny portion of actual racism. And when dealing with conscious racism, the only people who will agree to it are the people who already aren’t consciously racist. Colorblindness does nothing to actually solve the problems, and only takes away the tools needed to see that there is a problem and address it directly. > [@](#): > > By the way, you can still prosecute people for discrimination without aknowledging “races”. Just send to jail equally anybody who discriminates on the basis of physical appearance, Okay. And if the discrimination isn’t worthy of jail time? Or isn’t immediately apparent in individual interactions? Or takes literally any form other than “an individual obviously mistreating someone in a way that is obviously and overtly due to their skin color”? Or, to put it another way, if the discrimination happens _in reality_? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/310 "2018-07-14T22:11:18Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I did say that. I’m standing by it. I certainly don’t see it as a controversial position. If a person’s characteristics don’t originate inside that person or outside of that person, where is there left for them to come from? “Outside of that person” includes “other people from their same sub/culture.” In which case the characteristics are imposed but from within their own culture. I must stress again that I am _not saying that this is the case here_, but it seemed like you were dismissing the possibility out of hand. Do you agree that cultures exist that have different characteristics from others? > [@](#): > > Okay, I’m assuming that’s a sarcastic no. So you’re agreeing there’s nothing inherent in black people that causes them to commit crimes. Crime is a response that develops because some black people grow up in environment that encourages crime. > > To me, that says we should work on changing that environment. Not just for the sake of the black people who are growing up in it (although I feel that’s a very good reason) but also for all of the future victims of their crimes. I agree with all of this, and that it would help, _to the extent that crime is concentrated in these areas_, which I’m not even sure about anymore, which is why I did not want to speculate on it. The very least we can do is continue to attempt to relieve poverty, no matter what race the people are perceived to be. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/311 "2018-07-15T01:08:43Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > “Outside of that person” includes “other people from their same sub/culture.” In which case the characteristics are imposed but from within their own culture. I must stress again that I am _not saying that this is the case here_, but it seemed like you were dismissing the possibility out of hand. I’m don’t feel I’m dismissing the possibility out of hand. But I won’t accept it without some shred of evidence that it’s true. And the people who argue that black people commit more crimes because it’s their nature haven’t produced any evidence to support their claims. So I’m dismissing the theory of black crime genes. But I’m doing it the same way I dismiss the theory that there’s a sea monster living in Loch Ness. It’s not an unfounded dismissal. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/312 "2018-07-15T05:20:47Z")
> [@Kennedy1960](#): > > I think Huey is a troll playing a part, . . . This is a Warning to remind you that accusations of trolling are prohibited outside The BBQ Pit. [Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/313 "2018-07-15T11:48:52Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Good speech, tell it the bigots who do want to divide people into different categories based on superficial appearances. I do. But it seems that ardent anti-racism militants want to keep dividing people according to their skin colour, so why would you expect others to act differently? Why would a kid who has been told from the earliest age that there black people and there are white people, and it’s not at all the same thing think differently once he reaches adult age? There will never be an end to racism as long as “races” keep being aknowledged as a sensible concept. > [@](#): > > So, I go to jail because I don’t date women taller than me? Since when who you want and don’t want to date has been considered a criminal offense? Who you want or don’t want to hire is a completely different issue. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/314 "2018-07-15T13:18:33Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I do. But it seems that ardent anti-racism militants want to keep dividing people according to their skin colour, I mean, sure, if you completely ignore everything wrong with this, which we’ve gone over at length, that’s exactly what’s going on. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > There will never be an end to racism as long as “races” keep being aknowledged as a sensible concept. Okay, so how do we: - Convince people to not be racist - Fight subconscious racism - Make up for the effects of both …Without acknowledging race (as a social construct)? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/315 "2018-07-15T14:56:00Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I do. But it seems that ardent anti-racism militants want to keep dividing people according to their skin colour, so why would you expect others to act differently? Why would a kid who has been told from the earliest age that there black people and there are white people, and it’s not at all the same thing think differently once he reaches adult age? > > There will never be an end to racism as long as “races” keep being aknowledged as a sensible concept. The “races” are only acknowledged by the racists, however, as I have said, identifying the victims of racism is necessary in combating it, and the victims of racism are going to be pretty much the same people that the racist victimize. Being “colorblind” just ignores the problem. “Hmmm, these random individuals seem to have difficulties getting a job or housing, even though they are just as qualified on paper as these other random individuals. What could possibly cuase that?” This may seem to be confusing, until you note the superficial differences between those two groups of random individuals, and take not e that that superficial difference is being taken into account, actively by racists and bigots, but still implicitly by many people who would claim not to be a racist or bigot. > [@](#): > > Since when who you want and don’t want to date has been considered a criminal offense? Who you want or don’t want to hire is a completely different issue. You are looking to change anti-discrimination laws, and make them far harsher and for any form. You didn’t say anything about hiring, you just said “anybody who discriminates.” > [@clairobscur](#): > > By the way, you can still prosecute people for discrimination without aknowledging “races”. Just send to jail equally anybody who discriminates on the basis of physical appearance, be it on the basis of their delusion that there’s a latino race (picking this one because you guys invented it recently) or their strong dislike of short people. If it happens that there are much more people jailed because they don’t like sun tan than because they don’t like short stature, then so be it. So, assuming that you are up for clarifying, I also do note that you also only say based on physical appearance. Would you extend that to religion, national origin, and possibly even sexual orientation? Are there any other groups you would include/ disinclude? Also, am I allowed to discriminate against someone because I just don’t like them? I have fired a few clients over the years for being assholes to myself or to my employees. In order to show discrimination, you really need to show a pattern. If I kick out a black guy for being an asshole and cursing at my staff, I’m not discriminating against him for being black. Can I discriminate against someone just because I don’t feel like dealing with anyone that day? If a black person calls me up, and wants an appointment, and I’m just not up for talking to people that day, did I discriminate against him for being black? So, the onus is really on the claimant/prosecution side to show a pattern of discrimination, and that is really something that can only be done if you take into account features that the racists take into account. Like I said, if you want to end racism, go talk to the racists. They may enjoy your speeches. If you want to perpetuate racism, then keep doing what you are doing in calling out those trying to find ways of combating racial inequalities for pointing out those inequalities. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/316 "2018-07-15T16:08:03Z")
Racists are targeting a specific groups of people, and the solution is to just say “_What_ groups of people? _I_ don’t see any groups of people!”, and the problem just disappears? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/317 "2018-07-15T19:03:26Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s meant to remedy present injustice as well. Affirmative action and other race based preferences are a fairly extreme solution. The problem has to be fairly extreme as well. I guess you think the problem is extreme enough (absent a history of slavery and segregation) to justify discriminating on the basis of race. I think that the history of slavery and segregation is necessary to justify such an extreme departure. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/318 "2018-07-15T19:14:53Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Huh? If you want to make this argument, feel free. If you want to disagree with anything I’ve said, then say so, and say specifically what I said that was wrong. I’m pretty sure my assertions were tautological. OK, then how about I just ask for a cite to the notion that the vietnamese are particularly wealthy well educated or motivated (beyond being motivated to survive and be free). > [@](#): > > Snipping the rest, since it either belongs in a new discussion (seriously – if you want to shit on millions of decent black people, start a thread about it… please don’t shit on millions of decent black people in every thread even slightly related to AA or racism), is contemptuous nonsense, and/or has nothing at all to do with anything I’ve said. Just calling it racism doesn’t make it so. I suppose people will buy it on this site but just saying that there is a problem with black culture isn’t the same thing as shitting on millions of decent black people. and of COURSE it is relevant to what you said. I quote: “you have incredible contempt for the black community… and believe that they are toxic” By your reasoning any criticism of the black community or culture is racism. Its like saying that any criticism of Israel is anti-semitism. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/319 "2018-07-15T19:17:18Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Maybe, but if there is an AA policy enacted, that means that SOME race is being discriminated against. Doesn’t it? I can live with a reasonable amount of AA and if as a side effect Asians don’t have a shot at every seat in the entering class, that’s OK, frankly I don’t have a problem with reasonable quotas. What disturbs me is the active discrimination against Asians. The deliberate attempt to minimize the asian population because there are already too many of them. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/320 "2018-07-15T19:21:09Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’d hazard a guess that it slowly started to happen after > a) The American military got its arse handed to it by an Asian country When was this? Vietnam? So the Vietnamese kick their ass and they treat Chinese and Koreans more favorably? Why didn’t they develop respect for blacks after they kicked white butts in every sport they participate in? > [@](#): > > b) the American economy got \*its \*arse handed to it by Asian economies The high SAT scores existed well before Japan started to eat America’s lunch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715.md?page=17)