# Racialism: Everyone's Favorite Politics **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 11, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715 "2018-07-11T14:56:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/541 "2018-07-25T20:27:49Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Question. > > Let’s say you were at a jobsite and two guys were working on the other side, one black, one white. > > Another guy comes up to you and give you a tool and says “Hey can you run this over to Mike over there.” > > “Which one is Mike?” > > “The black guy.” > > Are you really saying you’d still be unable to figure out who the guy was talking about? That you’d say something like “Black guy? What’s a black guy?” Of course not. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/542 "2018-07-25T20:29:34Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > How do you know if someone is being adversely effected by racism? This one is easy! 1. Type “how to recognize racism” into your search engine. 2. Be willing to learn. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/543 "2018-07-25T20:31:44Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > No, the “top” minds like Richard Spencer and those guys can’t give a good answer believe it or not. They may not have an answer that they are willing to publically admit to, but they know who they hate. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/544 "2018-07-25T20:35:01Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Of course not. Normally this should be where the penny drops. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/545 "2018-07-25T20:38:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > This one is easy! > > 1. Type “how to recognize racism” into your search engine. > 2. Be willing to learn. I can recognize racism just fine. How do I know if someone is adversely effected by it? Can a white person be effected by racism? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > They may not have an answer that they are willing to publically admit to, but they know who they hate. That doesn’t help me. I’m sure they’ve all had Asian girlfriends for example. Do they hate them? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/546 "2018-07-25T20:39:40Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Of course not. Yes, of course not. You’re an American of reasonable intelligence, so of course you would know who was meant. you know who else can figure such a simple question out? Cops. Landlords. Loan Officers. People who just don’t like black people etc. So blacks are a group that is easily identified and is subject to biased treatment. Glad we got that sorted out! Mods, you can close the thread down now. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/547 "2018-07-25T20:42:49Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Yes, of course not. You’re an American of reasonable intelligence, so of course you would know who was meant. > > you know who else can figure such a simple question out? > > Cops. > Landlords. > Loan Officers. > People who just don’t like black people > > etc. > > So blacks are a group that is easily identified and is subject to biased treatment. Glad we got that sorted out! Mods, you can close the thread down now. Ohhhh. You just misunderstood. How do racialists, I.e. the people who favor race-based policies, identify race? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/548 "2018-07-25T20:45:31Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I can recognize racism just fine. How do I know if someone is adversely effected by it? Can a white person be effected by racism? Those articles you will find if you do as I ask will also point out how such racism adversely effects others. Do you wish to learn, or not? > [@](#): > > That doesn’t help me. I’m sure they’ve all had Asian girlfriends for example. Do they hate them? You’re sure of _what_, again? How can you be sure of such a silly thing? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/549 "2018-07-25T20:49:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Those articles you will find if you do as I ask will also point out how such racism adversely effects others. Do you wish to learn, or not? > You’re sure of _what_, again? How can you be sure of such a silly thing? I understand how racism effects others. I’m not sure how we can identify who is being effected and to what extent. Is every single “black” person effected? Are they effected equally by each racist person? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/550 "2018-07-25T20:51:03Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Ohhhh. You just misunderstood. > > How do racialists, I.e. the people who favor race-based policies, identify race? I don’t recognize this combination of word and definition. Got something else? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/551 "2018-07-25T20:54:13Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I understand how racism effects others. I’m not sure how we can identify who is being effected and to what extent. Is every single “black” person effected? Are they effected equally by each racist person? Are African-Americans identical clones? No. And with that, I’m going to quit hoping that you are looking for anything but confirmation of your beliefs. Bye. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/552 "2018-07-25T22:43:30Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I understand how racism effects others. I’m not sure how we can identify who is being effected and to what extent. Is every single “black” person effected? Are they effected equally by each racist person? Have you ever lived as a minority that experienced discrimination in an ongoing basis? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/553 "2018-07-25T23:27:12Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > My answer: > > 1. There are some circumstances, regardless of culture, in which a human being is more likely to engage in risky behavior, including unprotected sex. Some of these circumstances might be things like feelings of hopelessness, feelings of a lack of safety, reactions to trauma, disrupted family life, and much more. How do these things lead to unprotected sex? How does it lead to abandoning your children and their mother? > [@](#): > > 1. Due to a combination of larger policies and practices (past and present), including institutional discrimination and much more, black children are more likely to face these circumstances than white children, on average. > > If you disagree, please try and be very specific – which of the above assertions do you disagree with? Still you’re saying “racism exists, therefore everything is because of racism” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/554 "2018-07-25T23:30:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Ask those that hate. Ask the _racists_. I thought this was mostly about institutional racism at this point. The unintentional racism that are basically the racist habits that society has fallen into that it hasn’t really shaken off yet. Is the problem really still folks like the KKK? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/555 "2018-07-25T23:31:37Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > How do these things lead to unprotected sex? > > How does it lead to abandoning your children and their mother? > > Still you’re saying “racism exists, therefore everything is because of racism” Which of my assertions, specifically, do you disagree with? I can’t tell what you’re disputing. I laid out a series of assertions that, to me, are pretty straight forward and logical. If you disagree, which assertions do you disagree with? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/556 "2018-07-25T23:33:55Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Which of my assertions, specifically, do you disagree with? I can’t tell what you’re disputing. I laid out a series of assertions that, to me, are pretty straight forward and logical. If you disagree, which assertions do you disagree with? That any of this stuff leads to unprotected sex or abandoning your children and their mother. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/557 "2018-07-25T23:35:08Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > That any of this stuff leads to unprotected sex or abandoning your children and their mother. So you don’t believe that there exists any circumstance in which a human being, regardless of culture, is more likely to have unprotected sex or not be available as a father? I can think of two scenarios that come to mind rather easily – for the first, not having condoms at hand, and for the second, being incarcerated. Do you believe there aren’t any others? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/558 "2018-07-26T03:03:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Are African-Americans identical clones? > No. > > And with that, I’m going to quit hoping that you are looking for anything but confirmation of your beliefs. Bye. So people are effected by racism on an individual basis? There are probably many “black” people who are uneffected by racism and some “whites” that are effected by racism. No? > [@Ravenman](#): > > Have you ever lived as a minority that experienced discrimination in an ongoing basis? What is a minority? Americans of German descent are minorities, right? People with blonde hair are minorities. People with blue eyes are minorities. Have I experienced discrimination? Probably not as much as many “black” people, but probably more than some of them. Americans live many different lives in many different situations. Maybe I had an interview with a black person that didn’t like people with blonde hair. Maybe I didn’t get the job. Will Blue Ivy Carter experience more intense negative consequences of discrimination than will every single “white” person in the US? I doubt it. What if a “black” person has grown up with little to no contact with “whites”? What if a “white” person was picked on in a majority “black” HS. Do you think Blue Ivy Carter will experience the discrimination a “white” mentally disabled person will experience? Supporters of race-based policies claim to support equality for all, but that is not possible in a world of individuals. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/559 "2018-07-26T05:36:32Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Is the problem really still folks like the KKK? That you think “ask the racists” means “ask folks like the KKK” is indicative of one large aspect of the problem - BBQ Becky & Permit Patty are as much the racists under consideration as the Imperial Wizard of the KKK. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/560 "2018-07-26T10:37:17Z")
> **[List of ethnic groups in the United States by household income](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income)** > > This is a list of median household income in the United States by ethnicity and Native American tribal grouping (as of 2015) according to the United States Census. "Mixed race" and multi-ethnic categories are not listed. > The United States Census has race and ethnicity as defined by the Office of Management and Budget in 1997. The following median household income data are retrieved from American Community Survey 2021 1-year estimates. In this survey, the nationwide population was 331,893,745 in... Since **andy** has identified average income as being some sort of indicator for discrimination, let’s look at the above list under the heading “By ancestry”. This gives us a more nuanced picture of supposed race and income. You will find that Nigerian-Americans make slightly more than Scotch-Irish-Americans, French-Americans, and Yugoslavian-Americans. Maybe it isn’t so easy to pinpoint who is experiencing racism in a way that adversely effects them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715.md?page=29)