# Racialism: Everyone's Favorite Politics **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 11, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715 "2018-07-11T14:56:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/121 "2018-07-12T14:33:48Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Hmm, with so much complication, the way strident claims such as “black people are treated unjustly by white people” seems a bit hamfisted. Has anyone here made that claim? Most of the discussions I’ve been involved in have been about government, society, and insitutions, and are backed (broadly – claims such as these are made as a large characterization that doesn’t necessarily apply in every single circumstance) by history, statistics, and other evidence. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/122 "2018-07-12T14:34:04Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > Do you? This thread was an attempt to find out what racial classification is being used for these purposes, so I won’t speculate since the progressives haven’t come up with a definition. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/123 "2018-07-12T14:35:06Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > … while at the same time… > > … :dubious: You are trying hard, I’ll give you that. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/124 "2018-07-12T14:36:01Z")
Quoting you in context? Not that difficult, tbh. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/125 "2018-07-12T14:46:28Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Not expecting any direct responses. > > Have I short-circuited some posters by pointing out they agree with racist bumpkins on an aspect of racial classification? This should take some time to heal. Get over yourself-You’ve done nothing of the sort. Your agenda is made obvious by your repeated attempts to take any response here and twist it with “So what you’re really saying is (insert stilted premise here)” and/or “So you agree with me that(insert stilted premise here)”. The fact that nobody here has agreed that what they are _really_ saying has anything to do with the agenda you are pushing should be a big clue for you. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/126 "2018-07-12T14:50:19Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > This thread was an attempt to find out what racial classification is being used for these purposes, so I won’t speculate since the progressives haven’t come up with a definition. Just for shits and giggles, what is _your_ definition? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/127 "2018-07-12T14:51:13Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Quoting you in context? Not that difficult, tbh. Trying hard to understand something simple. Keep at it. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/128 "2018-07-12T14:52:20Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Just for shits and giggles, what is _your_ definition? I don’t have one. This is why I don’t support race-based policies. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/129 "2018-07-12T14:52:50Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Well, since this is the first time you used the phrase “political racism”, perhaps you would care to enlighten us as to what you mean? > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Race-based political policy and advocacy. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Just for shits and giggles, what is _your_ definition? > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I don’t have one. This is why I don’t support race-based policies. Here, Czarcasm, asked and “answered”. Twice. With different answers. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/130 "2018-07-12T14:54:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Get over yourself-You’ve done nothing of the sort. Your agenda is made obvious by your repeated attempts to take any response here and twist it with “So what you’re really saying is (insert stilted premise here)” and/or “So you agree with me that(insert stilted premise here)”. The fact that nobody here has agreed that what they are _really_ saying has anything to do with the agenda you are pushing should be a big clue for you. Agenda? I asked people that advocate for race-based policies to explain their racial classifications. One guy tried with a tautology. Nobody else has tried. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/131 "2018-07-12T14:57:41Z")
If somebody applies for a race-based program, then they are that race. That’s how I would classify them. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/132 "2018-07-12T15:01:48Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > If somebody applies for a race-based program, then they are that race. That’s how I would classify them. Ok. Do you agree with race-based policies? If you agree with these policies, would allowing anyone to benefit from them fulfill the intent of the policy? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/133 "2018-07-12T15:08:15Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Ok. Do you agree with race-based policies? > > If you agree with these policies, would allowing anyone to benefit from them fulfill the intent of the policy? Sure, I agree. To make up for past injustices. The intent of the policy is to help certain races overcome past injustices. So, no, allowing just anyone to benefit would not fulfill the intent of the policy. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/134 "2018-07-12T15:13:04Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > This thread was an attempt to find out what racial classification is being used for these purposes, so I won’t speculate since the progressives haven’t come up with a definition. If you’re curious about how SBA or various certifying organizations make their determinations, a GQ thread might be the best way to fight any ignorance you may have on the topic. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/135 "2018-07-12T15:25:32Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The general principle is that black people and white people often get treated differently because of their race. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Has anyone here made that claim? Most of the discussions I’ve been involved in have been about government, society, and insitutions, and are backed (broadly – claims such as these are made as a large characterization that doesn’t necessarily apply in every single circumstance) by history, statistics, and other evidence. People make hamfisted statements like the above all the time. It is not a complex phenomenon to them. Now if you changed the above to “Historically, Black people have been treated statistically different than white people”, it wouldn’t change the fact that it deals with race in a facile way, similar to how your discussions of race develop. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/136 "2018-07-12T15:27:32Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Have I short-circuited some posters by pointing out they agree with racist bumpkins on an aspect of racial classification? This should take some time to heal. No, Will, you haven’t. The person who has come off looking the worst in this thread is you. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/137 "2018-07-12T15:28:08Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > If you’re curious about how SBA or various certifying organizations make their determinations, a GQ thread might be the best way to fight any ignorance you may have on the topic. That would be irrelevant. My question asks if using the standard of self-identification is consistent with the desires of advocates of race-based policy. This does not sound like a GQ topic. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/138 "2018-07-12T15:29:04Z")
If only such great effort was put towards convincing those who attack others for race-based reasons that there is no such thing as “race”, the problem would be solved, wouldn’t it? Or are you thinking that, like the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal, if people of various races and/or colors pretended that there were no differences then the racists that attack them would suddenly not be able to see those differences and stop attacking them? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/139 "2018-07-12T15:29:53Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > No, Will, you haven’t. The person who has come off looking the worst in this thread is you. Have you adjusted your lame definition yet? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/140 "2018-07-12T15:31:49Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Sure, I agree. To make up for past injustices. The intent of the policy is to help certain races overcome past injustices. So, no, allowing just anyone to benefit would not fulfill the intent of the policy. Ok then I guess we will need another way to classify humans other than how they self-identify, since we cannot fulfill the policy that way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715.md?page=8)