# Racialism: Everyone's Favorite Politics **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 11, 2018, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715 "2018-07-11T14:56:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/161 "2018-07-12T16:45:06Z")
> [@Filbert](#): > > I guess I’m not getting an answer to this. I mean, I’m not surprised about that, but I would like one. Class is a complex social phenomenon and while I would use the language of class, I would not advocate for policies that address class. Crafting state policy around class has historically been bad for freedom and prosperity. Substitute the word race for class if you want as well. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/162 "2018-07-12T16:46:10Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Ok then maybe you aren’t up to the task. That’s fine. There’s always gubmint work. Just tell us what “answer” you are fishing for, and we’ll tell you whether we agree or not. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/163 "2018-07-12T16:47:31Z")
> [@Doubticus](#): > > And why is that a problem again? See 161 ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/164 "2018-07-12T16:48:54Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Just tell us what “answer” you are fishing for, and we’ll tell you whether we agree or not. The progressive race classification is the same as the KKK race classification. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/165 "2018-07-12T16:54:59Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > The progressive race classification is the same as the KKK race classification. Nonresponsive, and another attempt to equate those who help with those who hate. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/166 "2018-07-12T17:00:46Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > What’s a racialist? How is it different from a racist? It belongs to the same general category of word as “evolutionist” or “SJW” or “Alinskyite” or “sheeple”. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/167 "2018-07-12T17:03:52Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Nonresponsive, and another attempt to equate those who help with those who hate. Which is which? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/168 "2018-07-12T17:05:40Z")
Unsubscribed as not being much of a debate. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/169 "2018-07-12T17:13:08Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > The progressive race classification is the same as the KKK race classification. Somehow, what you have said here does have a bit of truth to it. It is the bigots who enforce the idea that a person’s acceptable place in society is due to the color of their skin. Liberals do not define race, they observe victims of racial bigotry, and seek to mitigate the damage done. That the people that hate others due to their race identify similar people to those that are observed as victims of racial hatred should not be that confounding. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/170 "2018-07-12T17:21:45Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Which is which? _Really??_ Not worth the effort-byeee! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/171 "2018-07-12T17:39:53Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > The progressive race classification is the same as the KKK race classification. This is a wildly incorrect assertion. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/172 "2018-07-12T18:16:08Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Class is a complex social phenomenon and while I would use the language of class, I would not advocate for policies that address class. Crafting state policy around class has historically been bad for freedom and prosperity. > > Substitute the word race for class if you want as well. That argument is ridiculous, even by the standards you’ve set in this thread. You might as well claim that people used to get treated for demonic possession even though demonic possession wasn’t real. And by the argument you just made, that means people shouldn’t get treated for cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/173 "2018-07-12T18:24:41Z")
Reading this thread is like **WillFarnaby** writing eight musical notes on a piece of paper, giving it to us, and asking if it is jazz… and then when we can’t be sure, he argues that jazz doesn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/174 "2018-07-12T18:34:41Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Have you adjusted your lame definition yet? No, the definition still stands. It’s just unfortunate for you that, once again, reality refuses to conform to the visions in your mind. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/175 "2018-07-12T19:54:10Z")
see below ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/176 "2018-07-12T19:56:38Z")
Hey, look everybody. Will has put me on ignore! I WIN TEH INTERNETS! I guess that’s my cue to leave the thread myself. But don’t worry about leaving me behind, Will. Since your arguments are exactly the same in every thread, just bookmark this one and read my posts. Thus I refute Berkeley. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/177 "2018-07-12T20:24:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There’s plenty of evidence (discussed in lots of other threads) that these disparities are due to injustices. You might or might not find this evidence convincing. IMO, affirmative action is an imperfect and temporary solution that, when well instituted, results in more just and equal opportunities for all than existed without it. And in your opinion, how well has affirmative action been instituted in the last 20 years? We’ve had affirmative action for half a century now and the benefits seem to be tailing off, perhaps its time we tried something else. Besides, it really looks like the supreme court will be getting rid of it soon. better to find some non-race based way of achieving a more equitable society. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/178 "2018-07-12T20:37:36Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And in your opinion, how well has affirmative action been instituted in the last 20 years? We’ve had affirmative action for half a century now and the benefits seem to be tailing off, perhaps its time we tried something else. Besides, it really looks like the supreme court will be getting rid of it soon. better to find some non-race based way of achieving a more equitable society. As opponents of an equitable society are specifically using race as a way of increasing the inequalities, I’m sure that those bigots would appreciate your suggestions that we ignore the effects of their actions. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/179 "2018-07-12T20:39:53Z")
What if we all join an organization whose leader told us to love one another equally? Would that work? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715/180 "2018-07-12T20:52:53Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > What if we all join an organization whose leader told us to love one another equally? Would that work? Doubtful. A leader like that is ripe for a coup by cynics who would take advantage of his message of love and equality, and turn it into an organization that instead justifies hatreds based on deliberate misunderstandings of the leader’s message. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racialism-everyones-favorite-politics/817715.md?page=10)