# Racism and "Wuhan virus" - only because Wuhan is a fairly well known large city? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 19, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807 "2020-03-19T15:29:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/101 "2020-03-20T18:03:24Z")
More on this: _Severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus_ is a species name. SARS-CoV, SARS-CoV-2, SARSr-CoV\_BtKY72, etc., are names of viruses belonging to this species. An individual sample might be referred to as something like SARS-CoV-2/human/Wuhan/X1/2019\_XYZ12345 ; note that nobody is trying to conceal the fact that (fictional) sample was isolated in Wuhan- on the contrary, that might be important data. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/102 "2020-03-20T19:37:15Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > Nah- according to the [official website](https://talk.ictvonline.org/) > [@RickJay](#): > > No it’s not. COVID-19 is the disease it causes. The virus is properly called SARS-CoV-2, which is a type of coronavirus, along with its famous cousins, MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV, and a large number of less dangerous and less well known viruses. > > The make an analogy, you doubtless know that HIV is a virus, and the disease it causes is called AIDS. > > “Coronavirus” is like “retrovirus.” > “SARS-CoV-2” is like “HIV.” > “COVID-19” is like “AIDS.” > > (There are actually two HIVs, HIV-1 and HIV-2. HIV-2 is less virulent and less common but can have the same effect.) Thank you both, ignorance fought. I thought that was the official virus name, as that’s what has been used by our public safety people in the briefs we get, but makes sense that it’s the disease name, and there is a different name for the actual virus. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/103 "2020-03-20T19:54:35Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Trump is an incompetent corrupt president and an awful human being, but man, is his troll game is on point. > > All he does is say “Chinese virus” or “Wuhan virus.” > > Trump supporters: That’s not racist! It came from China! Is Spanish flu racist!? > > Anti-Trumpers: We had a name for the virus! Changing it is a racist dog-whistle! Asian Americans are already being attacked! > > Both: Rabble! Rabble Rabble! Rabble Rabble Rabble Rabble! > > And just like that everyone is distracted from Trump’s bungling and denial when the virus came, and how he cut funding for the CDC and shut down the pandemic response team years ago. Here’s what you analysis covers, Trump saying Chinese or Wuhan virus, Trump supporters and Anti-Trumpers going after each other over whether that is or isn’t racist. It completely overlooks (one may say you’ve been distracted away from it) why Trump began to refer to the virus as the Chinese or Wuhan virus, for the unpteen time it was as a response to the Chinese government attempts to frame the US as the cause of the pandemic. I don’t see anyone being distracted from Trump over this, I do see people ignoring the role of the CCP on it though. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/104 "2020-03-20T20:11:13Z")
Diseases popularly named after geographic regions: Asian flu Bolivian hemorrhagic fever Brazilian hemorrhagic fever Ebola German measles Japanese encephalitis Lyme disease Marburg virus Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) Pontiac fever Rift Valley fever Rocky Mountain spotted fever Spanish flu (didn’t originate in Spain, but Spanish media popularized it) Venezuelan hemorrhagic fever West Nile virus Zika None of those names have been considered ‘racist’, and neither was ‘Wuhan coronavirus’ or ‘Chinese coronavirus’ - until Chinese state media declared any reference to the Chinese origin of the virus to be racist, and suddenly in America anyone who references the origin of the virus in the name is a racist. The American left is being played by the Chinese Communist Party. Again. Perhaps Tom Friedman can lead the fight. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/105 "2020-03-20T20:50:44Z")
I’m curious just what other White House approved terms do you insist we should replace too? We can create even more politically expedient ones to aid a distraction campaign. “viral testing kit delay” could now be “MAGA freedom kit guarantee.” Yes, needs work but if we insist, it might be distracting enough to drown out talk of gross mismanagement and incompetence (which is always the real goal here). ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/106 "2020-03-20T20:53:21Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > … > > The American left is being played by the Chinese Communist Party. Again. Perhaps Tom Friedman can lead the fight. Oh give me a fucking break. To repeat, I had heard it called coronavirus or COVID-19 practically from the beginning. It’s only recently that right wingers are calling it the Chinese virus, which is obviously an attempt to deflect blame from the Trump administration. Why you want to defend our awful president from your place up in Canada is beyond me. No one, and I mean no one, is forgetting that it came from Wuhan in the Hubei Province in China. As I said, I only ever heard of Wuhan because this came from it. So, calling it the Wuhan or Chinese virus is not about assigning blame to China, it’s about deflecting blame from this incompetent administration. With that, I’m leaving this thread because my next comments would likely get me a warning. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/107 "2020-03-20T21:09:28Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Oh give me a fucking break. > > To repeat, I had heard it called coronavirus or COVID-19 practically from the beginning. It’s only recently that right wingers are calling it the Chinese virus, which is obviously an attempt to deflect blame from the Trump administration. Why you want to defend our awful president from your place up in Canada is beyond me. > > No one, and I mean no one, is forgetting that it came from Wuhan in the Hubei Province in China. As I said, I only ever heard of Wuhan because this came from it. So, calling it the Wuhan or Chinese virus is not about assigning blame to China, it’s about deflecting blame from this incompetent administration. > > With that, I’m leaving this thread because my next comments would likely get me a warning. No need to get a warning out of this (I say, as I was close to getting one myself as my first response to being called a Trump supporter). The thing is, you have to ask…WHY is Trump et al calling it the ‘Chinese virus’? Is it because Trump hate’s Chinese people? Doubtful, though who knows with him? Is it a dog whistle? Maybe. But to me the Occam’s Razor answer is he’s doing it as a reaction to the shit China has been saying about the US over the last few months. Stuff like the US didn’t offer to help in the early days (which is a lie…the CDC did make such an offer, which the Chinese turned down, probably…mostly…because they didn’t want them to see how much of a cluster fuck this is. The WHO was a MUCH better choice, being bought and paid for). Or the latest stuff, from Chinese state run media, health officials (CCP officials IOW) and even a state diplomat either stating right out there or making the implication that the virus either originated in the US or was deliberately spread in Wuhan by the US. So…people ARE saying and trying to change the narrative that this DIDN’T originate or come from Wuhan or China. This isn’t a right wing fantasy…the CCP is absolutely trying to change this narrative and seem to have picked the US (probably more for internal reasons, but the bonus is how our media is picking up on this stuff, especially when the WHO plays along with some of their bullshit and gives them a veneer of credibility) as the target for the shift. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/108 "2020-03-20T21:16:43Z")
> [@XT](#): > > No need to get a warning out of this (I say, as I was close to getting one myself as my first response to being called a Trump supporter). The thing is, you have to ask…WHY is Trump et al calling it the ‘Chinese virus’? Is it because Trump hate’s Chinese people? Doubtful, though who knows with him? Is it a dog whistle? Maybe. But to me the Occam’s Razor answer is he’s doing it as a reaction to the shit China has been saying about the US over the last few months. Stuff like the US didn’t offer to help in the early days (which is a lie…the CDC did make such an offer, which the Chinese turned down, probably…mostly…because they didn’t want them to see how much of a cluster fuck this is. The WHO was a MUCH better choice, being bought and paid for). Or the latest stuff, from Chinese state run media, health officials (CCP officials IOW) and even a state diplomat either stating right out there or making the implication that the virus either originated in the US or was deliberately spread in Wuhan by the US. So…people ARE saying and trying to change the narrative that this DIDN’T originate or come from Wuhan or China. This isn’t a right wing fantasy…the CCP is absolutely trying to change this narrative and seem to have picked the US (probably more for internal reasons, but the bonus is how our media is picking up on this stuff, especially when the WHO plays along with some of their bullshit and gives them a veneer of credibility) as the target for the shift. Who the fuck gives a shit about what Chinese state media is saying? Nothing from those craptastic sources is making it into my news sources. If you’re seeing Chinese state media press reports in your sources, you need to get better news sources. Is this just right-wing media finding outrageous things that Chinese media is saying, in order to get outraged by it? I’m really baffled here, because I’m just not seeing it where I get my news. What fucking bullshit all of this is. If the Chinese state media says the sky is blue, I’ll say…nothing, because I don’t give a rat’s ass about what they say. And, no place I get news will report that they said the sky is blue, so I would never know anyway. Anyway, I really need to leave this thread. I’m flouncing out of here for real. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/109 "2020-03-20T21:22:33Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Calling it ‘Wuhan virus’ is not racist…it’s ignorance. The official name for the virus is COVID-19.[sic] It would be a colloquial name. Like “Spanish Flu” or “Swine Flu”. The virus is the H1N1 virus and the disease is “influenza”. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/110 "2020-03-20T21:45:05Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > You don’t have a problem with China doing that? …the issue we are discussing isn’t Chinese propaganda targeted at a domestic Chinese audience. This thread is about American propaganda targeted at a domestic American audience. Donald Trump is the person [who crossed out “corona” and replaced it with the word “Chinese”.](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/photo-trump-remarks-shows-corona-crossed-out-replaced-chinese-virus-n1164111) The CCP didn’t force Trump to do that. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/111 "2020-03-20T22:57:39Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > Yes nothing breeds trust like name calling over a fucking virus. It has a designation - fucking well call it by its name. Then you can bray and stamp about what didn’t happen when by whatever organization you’d like. For right now drop it and fixate on flattening the curve. The who can call it what ever they like, it does not stop other people or organizations desginating it however they like. When this is all over and its time to count the cost, China is going to have to pay reparations and thats why its being designated the chinese virus. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/112 "2020-03-20T23:30:49Z")
Cool story, bro. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/113 "2020-03-20T23:43:37Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > The who can call it what ever they like, it does not stop other people or organizations desginating it however they like. When this is all over and its time to count the cost, China is going to have to pay reparations and thats why its being designated the chinese virus. Nations don’t “pay reparations” because a viral outbreak started there. Who would even enforce such a thing, and how? ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/114 "2020-03-21T00:44:09Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Nations don’t “pay reparations” because a viral outbreak started there. Who would even enforce such a thing, and how? You watch the news right ? You can maybe take a guess as to how much this is going to cost us and then multiply that by ten. Its basically an open secret that China originally covered up the severity and for that, guilt will be judged. I dont want to bankrupt a country that had the bad luck to have something start there, if they fully divulged but its possible that we could have perhaps mitigated the severity of this getting to other countries. China needs our markets, they will pay. Like war reparations that other countries paid after WW2 right into the nineties. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/115 "2020-03-21T00:56:58Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > The who can call it what ever they like, it does not stop other people or organizations desginating it however they like. When this is all over and its time to count the cost, China is going to have to pay reparations and thats why its being designated the chinese virus. [**Declan** , is this you?](http://www.declanfinn.com/2020/03/i-have-returned-from-italy-part-1-oh.html) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/116 "2020-03-21T01:11:57Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > You watch the news right ? You can maybe take a guess as to how much this is going to cost us and then multiply that by ten. Its basically an open secret that China originally covered up the severity and for that, guilt will be judged. I dont want to bankrupt a country that had the bad luck to have something start there, if they fully divulged but its possible that we could have perhaps mitigated the severity of this getting to other countries. > > China needs our markets, they will pay. Like war reparations that other countries paid after WW2 right into the nineties. Pandemic groups had their funding cut or dismissed by the Trump administration. Those groups were also set up to keep an eye on nations like China that could not be trusted, or helped with incentives to do the proper reporting or the data obtained independently; there is that, and then there is also the realization that countries like Taiwan also knew how unreliable the Chinese were and were prepared with testing and better health care. While there could be a justification for your position, in reality it is one that forgives _with no good reason_ the current administration’s missteps in the USA. > **[The Trump administration’s botched coronavirus response was years in the making](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/14/21177509/coronavirus-trump-covid-19-pandemic-response)** > > From insufficient testing to a lack of coordination, Trump’s Covid-19 response has been a disaster years in the making. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/117 "2020-03-21T02:14:24Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > You watch the news right ? You can maybe take a guess as to how much this is going to cost us and then multiply that by ten. Its basically an open secret that China originally covered up the severity and for that, guilt will be judged. I dont want to bankrupt a country that had the bad luck to have something start there, if they fully divulged but its possible that we could have perhaps mitigated the severity of this getting to other countries. > > China needs our markets, they will pay. Like war reparations that other countries paid after WW2 right into the nineties. So you’re just proposing that we fight a world war with a nuclear power so that the chucklefuck in the White House can pretend ignore a crisis in the making because acknowledging the crisis would make him look bad. ---
**Author:** ![Tigers2B1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@Tigers2B1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tigers2B1)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/118 "2020-03-21T02:45:25Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Diseases popularly named after geographic regions: > > Asian flu > Bolivian hemorrhagic fever > Brazilian hemorrhagic fever > Ebola > German measles > Japanese encephalitis > Lyme disease > Marburg virus > Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) > Pontiac fever > Rift Valley fever > Rocky Mountain spotted fever > Spanish flu (didn’t originate in Spain, but Spanish media popularized it) > Venezuelan hemorrhagic fever > West Nile virus > Zika > > None of those names have been considered ‘racist’, and neither was ‘Wuhan coronavirus’ or ‘Chinese coronavirus’ - until Chinese state media declared any reference to the Chinese origin of the virus to be racist, and suddenly in America anyone who references the origin of the virus in the name is a racist. > > The American left is being played by the Chinese Communist Party. Again. Perhaps Tom Friedman can lead the fight. Good post. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/119 "2020-03-21T03:18:08Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Diseases popularly named after geographic regions: > None of those names have been considered ‘racist’, and neither was ‘Wuhan coronavirus’ or ‘Chinese coronavirus’ - until Chinese state media declared any reference to the Chinese origin of the virus to be racist, and suddenly in America anyone who references the origin of the virus in the name is a racist. Sammy buddy, n\*gger didn’t used to be considered racist either. Times change. As has been pointed out, WHO changed the naming convention around 5 years ago to avoid stigmatizing a place or a people. Epidemiologists have not conclusively shown that Covid-19 originated in China. Maybe they will after the dust settles, and maybe it originated somewhere else in the globe and really got it’s start in Wuhan. Let’s work on flattening the curve instead of blowing racist dog whistles. Mao on a pogo stick, China is critical to the global supply chain. Do you really want to be pissing off China _now_? It is entirely likely that your ventilator or a least a key part of ventaltors come from China. There is a huge labor shortage in the supply chain, and there are going to be shortages that you can’t imagine shutting down production around the world. We’ve already seen this with automobiles. So, do you really really really want to get in a pissing contest now with a country that just might decide that France or Italy or Germany or wherever is first in line to get a critical part instead of the US of A. And if I remember correctly, you’re from Canada. Do you really think its a good idea to piss off your supplier when there is a shortage? Just so dear leader can talk smack at the daily Pravda propaganda press briefing and get fellated by his staff every day on national TV. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807/120 "2020-03-21T03:19:05Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Oh give me a fucking break. > > To repeat, I had heard it called coronavirus or COVID-19 practically from the beginning. It’s only recently that right wingers are calling it the Chinese virus, which is obviously an attempt to deflect blame from the Trump administration. Why you want to defend our awful president from your place up in Canada is beyond me. > > No one, and I mean no one, is forgetting that it came from Wuhan in the Hubei Province in China. As I said, I only ever heard of Wuhan because this came from it. So, calling it the Wuhan or Chinese virus is not about assigning blame to China, it’s about deflecting blame from this incompetent administration. > > With that, I’m leaving this thread because my next comments would likely get me a warning. _“No one, and I mean no one, is forgetting that it came from Wuhan in the Hubei Province in China”_ Evidently you are doing your best to ignore the fact that Chinese state media and officials are not only doing the thing you deny anyone is doing, they are floating accusations that not only the virus originated in the US but also that the US Army caused the outbreak in China. That last part is tantamount of accusing your country of an act of biological warfare, and you don’t care and don’t want to see it because… why exactly? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racism-and-wuhan-virus-only-because-wuhan-is-a-fairly-well-known-large-city/849807.md?page=7)