# Racist Coverage of Waco Biker Violence **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 20, 2015, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441 "2015-05-20T19:30:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/41 "2015-05-21T02:55:39Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > That reportage is not surprising. Blacks “protest and riot”, while whites “demonstrate”. What “demonstrate” are you referring to? Several 1%'ers (Yes, they had the name before the OWS scum stole the idea) had a shoot-out in a Texas restaurant’s parking lot. The Mayor didn’t prevent the police from arresting everyone involved in the fighting. No CVS’s, or nursing homes, were looted, or burned. No molotov cocktails were throw at police. Police showed up en masse and arrested 170 lawbreakers. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/42 "2015-05-21T02:59:49Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Listen to some rap, some hip hop, fully inform yourself. :eek: Thank you, in this particular regard I would much rather remain ignorant than acquire knowledge . . . that way. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/43 "2015-05-21T03:01:11Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > What “demonstrate” are you referring to? I’m going waaaaay out on a limb here, but I’m guessing he’ referring to the article linked to in the post he was quoting. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/44 "2015-05-21T03:05:44Z")
> [@grude](#): > > Comparatively rich people with extensive family networks of support and functioning government relief and evacuation efforts and extensive savings DON’T start looting as quickly as urban poor living government hand out to handout? > > I AM SHOCKED! > > [Police Trapped Thousands in New Orleans](http://workbench.cadenhead.org/news/2748/police-trapped-thousands-new-orleans) I don’t know how rich the populations are in these mostly farming-based communities, but my point was how differently they were characterized in the national media covering these disasters. But, yeah, I’m sure there’s a stronger family network and that the local government isn’t completely racist assholes like in NOLA (unless it’s native Americans) and can reasonably function even in times of disaster. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/45 "2015-05-21T03:14:08Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I guess it’s not OK for the media [to say black “criminals” “loot” food and white “survivors” “find” food when the two groups are acting in the exact same way in the exact same disaster](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/van-jones/black-people-loot-food-wh_b_6614.html). I thought you despised truthers. Why have you suddenly decided they’re reliable sources of information and analysis? Do you feel this way about Holocaust deniers and birthers as well, or just truthers? If not, why? Please be specific as to your reasoning. Thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/46 "2015-05-21T03:17:58Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I don’t know how rich the populations are in these mostly farming-based communities, but my point was how differently they were characterized in the national media covering these disasters. > > But, yeah, I’m sure there’s a stronger family network and that the local government isn’t completely racist assholes like in NOLA (unless it’s native Americans) and can reasonably function even in times of disaster. Yea I apologize for how harsh my post sounded, sorry dasmoocher! I overacted because for years after Katrina, especially after hurricane Ike I had to listen to people in Houston compare their responses to losing power for a week and no ATMs or credit card readers and spotty working electricity in the city to New Orleans response to Katrina. It is a sore spot for me. I can’t tell you how any variations on “see we didn’t start looting, we just drove up to my brother in laws ranch since he had a generator and we ate fine on all the food he had in his chest freezer”.:smack: ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/47 "2015-05-21T03:24:21Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > OWS scum stole the idea You are such a dick. Do you pride yourself on it? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/48 "2015-05-21T03:33:49Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I thought you despised truthers. Van Jones a truther? [That’s (mostly) bullshit.](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/08/glenn-beck/van-jones-truther-glen-beck-thinks-so/) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/49 "2015-05-21T03:36:05Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Several 1%'ers (Yes, they had the name before the OWS scum stole the idea) . . . No, that was a perfectly good and appropriate name that the OWSers, the least and worst of whom are are better than you, chose for a **completely different** idea, and the outlaw biker scum held no copyright on the name. ---
**Author:** ![LinusK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@LinusK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LinusK)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/50 "2015-05-21T04:07:32Z")
They should have described as male-on-male violence. While we’re at it, I’m sick of the media describing Obama as he first “black” president. He’s the first half-white president. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/51 "2015-05-21T04:07:52Z")
If anybody wants to read the argument that so perturbs the OP, it’s at Vox: [Media coverage of gang violence sure looks different when the perpetrators are white](http://www.vox.com/2015/5/19/8620357/waco-biker-shootout-race). “Where are the white leaders decrying this white-on-white violence? Where’s George Bush? He’s from Texas, right?” ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/52 "2015-05-21T04:25:17Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > They should have described as male-on-male violence. > > While we’re at it, I’m sick of the media describing Obama as he first “black” president. He’s the first half-white president. I believe I have seen debate over how the “one drop rule”(that any level of black ancestry means you are black) applies to Obama, and whether it is right he is called the first black president versus mixed race president etc. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/53 "2015-05-21T04:31:03Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > They should have described as male-on-male violence. > > While we’re at it, I’m sick of the media describing Obama as he first “black” president. He’s the first half-white president. Sorry, but you’re not the King of Language. In the US, almost every “black” person is part white, and the term is not meant to be an accurate description of someone’s genetics. but rather how a person self-identifies and is identified by society. On that measure, Obama is black. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/54 "2015-05-21T05:39:43Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > They should have described as male-on-male violence. > > While we’re at it, I’m sick of the media describing Obama as he first “black” president. He’s the first half-white president. What is your definition of a “black” person? Please be as specific as possible. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/55 "2015-05-21T05:57:25Z")
Well for that matter, who the hell is “white” other than Johnny Winter? In the dictionary, words have definitions, in our everyday language, sometimes yes, sometimes no. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/56 "2015-05-21T05:58:57Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > If anybody wants to read the argument that so perturbs the OP, it’s at Vox: [Media coverage of gang violence sure looks different when the perpetrators are white](http://www.vox.com/2015/5/19/8620357/waco-biker-shootout-race). > > “Where are the white leaders decrying this white-on-white violence? Where’s George Bush? He’s from Texas, right?” What a bunch of fucking morons. Even if these gangs _were_ white and not a variety of ethnicities, _the white community is not siding with the gangs_. White people aren’t throwing firebombs at police, white people aren’t looting stores, white people aren’t threatening to murder the police who shot the bikers. If you don’t want to be associated with robbers and drug dealers, don’t throw self-destructive tantrums in their name. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/57 "2015-05-21T06:01:51Z")
There’s a “white community”? Dunno, seems to me “white” is just the absence of everything else. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/58 "2015-05-21T06:19:49Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > “Where’s George Bush? He’s from Texas, right?” Not really, no. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/59 "2015-05-21T06:21:55Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > What a bunch of fucking morons. Even if these gangs _were_ white and not a variety of ethnicities, _the white community is not siding with the gangs_. Well, that’s just the difference, isn’t it? When some other white person commits a crime, nobody thinks that in any way reflects on **me.** The which no nonwhite person in America can say the same, even now. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441/60 "2015-05-21T07:22:22Z")
> [@LinusK](#): > > They should have described as male-on-male violence. > > While we’re at it, I’m sick of the media describing Obama as he first “black” president. He’s the first half-white president. I believe his predecessor was the first half-wit president. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-coverage-of-waco-biker-violence/720441.md?page=4)