# Racist, or Stupid? A Party Game **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 5, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413 "2019-12-05T15:56:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/1 "2019-12-05T15:56:20Z")
You might be familiar with the classic game, Drunk or Kid. If you aren’t, the rules are very simple. Players take turns telling amusing and usually embarrassing stories, and the other players have to guess if these stories occurred when the first player was drunk, or back when they were a kid. Here on the Dope, we can play a variant of this game. Here’s a quote; was it made due to ignorance? Or racism? > [@George Zimmerman - In the news again](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1311): > > This lawsuit is likely the result of the work of investigative reporter Joel Gilbert who wrote “The Trayvon Hoax That Divide America.” > > In it he claims that Diamond / Witness #8 / Bae was not Rachel Jeantel who we all saw testifying about her cell phone conversations with Trayvon but a person named Brittany Diamond. His evidence is phone records and other social media. Brittany Diamond and Jeantel are related and according to Gilbert often switched identities. > > This is quite a bombshell if true. > > [The Trayvon Hoax That Divided America Is About to Be Exposed - American Thinker](https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/09/the_trayvon_hoax_that_divided_america_is_about_to_be_exposed.html) Personally, I think it’s ignorance on the part of LAZombie, and racism on the part of the book’s author. But what about you? Agree? Disagree? Got any other examples we can discuss? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/2 "2019-12-05T15:58:15Z")
That post is not racism. It’s idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/3 "2019-12-05T16:59:22Z")
Ya know, a person can be both racist AND stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/4 "2019-12-05T17:06:13Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Ya know, a person can be both racist AND stupid. I’ve found that to be almost 100% the case. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/5 "2019-12-05T17:10:06Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’ve found that to be almost 100% the case. Yes. Racism requires stupidity. You can be stupid and not racist, but you cannot be racist and not stupid. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/6 "2019-12-05T17:20:34Z")
Racism IS ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/7 "2019-12-05T17:36:53Z")
Is there a conspiracy theory that fucking idiot hasn’t embraced? ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/8 "2019-12-05T17:43:05Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Racism IS ignorance. No, it’s not. Racists are not inevitably ignorant. Racism is naked self-interest and tribalism. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/9 "2019-12-05T21:20:07Z")
While I initially agreed with the assessment of “Stupid”, LAZombie has doubled down on both the racism AND the stupidity. First, the racism. Since we are all being critical of the research paper he linked, LAZombie decided to find a source we would be forced to accept – clearly, since we are all racist against whites, he will need to produce a black citation. > [@George Zimmerman - In the news again](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/george-zimmerman-in-the-news-again/694480/1320): > > "The research also allegedly reveals that Trayvon’s real girlfriend and legitimate phone witness was in fact Miami resident Brittany Diamond Eugene, who was switched out for Jeantel when Eugene refused to bear false witness against Zimmerman.” > > [https://www.essence.com/articles/george-zimmerman-sues-trayvon-martins-family/](https://www.essence.com/articles/george-zimmerman-sues-trayvon-martins-family/) > > Now who here is going to disparage Essence magazine? Note that last line. Racist readings are climbing again! But he ups the ante by doubling down on stupidity, too – because the very article he links disparages his original source, saying it has no basis in fact. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/10 "2019-12-05T21:47:50Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Yes. Racism requires stupidity. > > You can be stupid and not racist, but you cannot be racist and not stupid. That’s not true at all. Being smart does NOT preclude you from being racists. Started a thread about this very thing several years ago [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=386606) ---
**Author:** ![4T6\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/ce7236/32.png) [@4T6\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/4T6_2)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/11 "2019-12-05T21:50:45Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > No, it’s not. Racists are not inevitably ignorant. Racism is naked self-interest and tribalism. Agreed. Self-centered assholes, sometimes ignorant/stupid as well, all the above, etc. Venn diagram needed. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/12 "2019-12-05T22:12:56Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Ya know, a person can be both racist AND stupid. …and, evidently, President. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/13 "2019-12-05T22:17:25Z")
LAZombie is successfully trolling you. That is all. As long as anyone engages, he wins. Stop engaging. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/14 "2019-12-05T22:20:47Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > LAZombie is successfully trolling you. That is all. As long as anyone engages, he wins. Stop engaging. I have had him on ignore for quite a while, so I don’t have to see his stupid garbage. But I was still in the mood to fling shit at him anyway. He deserves it. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/15 "2019-12-05T22:34:10Z")
I have one from him that is not racist, but is magnificently stupid… Once, in a Kavanaugh thread, he was arguing that Dr. Ford lied about adding an extra door to her house. To support this argument he linked to a article that said the exact opposite of what he was claiming ([Palo Alto building permit backs up Ford’s testimony](https://padailypost.com/2018/09/29/palo-alto-building-permit-backs-up-fords-testimony/)) and implored us to read the comments. > [@Can Democrats actually stop the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-democrats-actually-stop-the-nomination-of-brett-kavanaugh/820733/5561): > > From a Palo Alto newspaper. They report on the building permits and verify that the door was installed well before her 2012 marriage therapy. Read the comments as well. > > “Ford later told Sen. Dianne Feinstein during her questioning that she wanted the second front door because of her anxiety, PTSD and claustrophobia resulting from the 1982 assault.” > > [https://padailypost.com/2018/09/29/palo-alto-building-permit-backs-up-fords-testimony/](https://padailypost.com/2018/09/29/palo-alto-building-permit-backs-up-fords-testimony/) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/16 "2019-12-06T01:56:22Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Ya know, a person can be both racist AND stupid. Well, someone can be both drunk and a kid but the original game still works. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/17 "2019-12-06T11:20:24Z")
To add further confusion, there are stupid ideas of what racism even is. Not to mention racist ideas of what stupidity is. Sometimes I fantasize that one of these stupid racists [will be slapped into admission like in the famous movie scene:](https://youtu.be/Wr3edVsHkj0?t=70) “I’m a racist … I’m stupid … I’m racist AND stupid!” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/18 "2019-12-06T13:40:59Z")
I guess it’s fair to say that racism and stupidity likely correlate quite a bit, while we can only hope that extreme youth and drunkenness don’t nearly as much. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/racist-or-stupid-a-party-game/844413/19 "2019-12-06T14:21:17Z")
Alright, fair enough. There is a certain amount of stupidity inherent to most if not all racists. The question should read, “Racist AND Stupid, or Just Stupid?”. I think under these criteria, LAZombie’s first post was mostly just stupid, but the second post brings out the racism beneath to the forefront – while also being EVEN STUPIDER.