# Raindogs comments.. \[on belief and proof - edited title\]

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**Created:** [December 4, 2011, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raindogs-comments-on-belief-and-proof-edited-title/605048 "2011-12-04T19:23:37Z")\
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**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\
**Post date:** [December 13, 2011, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/raindogs-comments-on-belief-and-proof-edited-title/605048/121 "2011-12-13T06:59:30Z")

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> [@RitterSport](#):
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> Semi-agnostic – he doesn’t know, but he doesn’t think it’s impossible to know even in principle. (I think that, strictly speaking, an agnostic would say that God is unknowable, even in principle – is that a position of faith?)
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> Atheist – has no belief in any particular god
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> I don’t know if this is **cmyk** ’s position, but it’s what I get from his colorful (ha!) posts in this thread. Basically, he’s an atheist, but, sure, there could be some deist’s god out there which has no effect on his life.
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> Hopefully, your head feels better after smacking it that many times.

That about sums it up, ignoring any subtleties, such as I would _like_ to believe in the idealized Judeo-Christian God I was raised to believe in since birth. But really, I don’t see any evidence for it, and just wanting it to be so, despite evidence, will not make it so from belief alone; either such an entity exists, or it doesn’t.

But perhaps the universe _was_ created by some entity, for all intents and purposes it is beyond our comprehension. Whether this exists is pretty remote, but even saying this hypothetical entity brought forth our universe as we now know it, I still can’t rule out it’s not the Judeo-Christian God, or something else entirely. If it is the Christian God, then the Bible was way off, or very misinterpreted.

Anyhow, I feel a bit more settled because of this thread, in that, it doesn’t really matter much, until I see a “burning bush”, so to speak; I’m pretty agnostic/atheist on the matter.

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