# Ram Players disrespect St Louis Police. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 1, 2014, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011 "2014-12-01T05:07:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/21 "2014-12-01T19:20:22Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I see their point. They are all working double shifts to preserve order and protect the public from the Ferguson agitators. Officials could have asked to cancel the game because of security concerns. For the players to disrespect the police is just wrong. If this is what constitutes “disrespect” then the police have some goddamned thin skins. Any St. Louis cops who feel offended or “Disrespected” by this - and I’m going to hazard a guess most don’t give a shit - should put on their big boy/girl pants, and maybe give their badges and guns to grownups who don’t cry like little babies at the slightest hint of offense. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/22 "2014-12-01T19:28:51Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > ESPN is reporting they [won’t be fined](http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11963218/the-five-st-louis-rams-players-saluted-slain-teenager-michael-brown-sunday-game-not-fined). Good. ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/23 "2014-12-01T20:03:01Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > If this is what constitutes “disrespect” then the police have some goddamned thin skins. > > Any St. Louis cops who feel offended or “Disrespected” by this - and I’m going to hazard a guess most don’t give a shit - should put on their big boy/girl pants, and maybe give their badges and guns to grownups who don’t cry like little babies at the slightest hint of offense. As far as I can tell, no actual police have said anything. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/24 "2014-12-01T20:37:59Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > They have a right to their opinions but expressing them during a game isn’t acceptable. The NFL will need to punish that behavior. Because football \> police violence. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/25 "2014-12-01T20:53:06Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > ESPN is reporting they [won’t be fined](http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11963218/the-five-st-louis-rams-players-saluted-slain-teenager-michael-brown-sunday-game-not-fined). Good. The NFL is showing sensitivity and common sense for once. The players shouldn’t be disciplined. I agree with the grand jury decision not to bring charges against Wilson, but people should be allowed to express their disagreement with it as long as it’s done in a peaceful manner. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/26 "2014-12-01T21:19:12Z")
I belive one of the legitmate concerns was crowd behavior yesterday. The Ferguson agitators tried to disrupt the the Macy parade on Thanksgiving. Thankfully the cops were able to prevent it. All the news sources covered the story… I expect they had extra cops at the Rams game for the same reason. There was always a chance people would buy tickets and get inside. Then cause an interruption or incident. Having players on the field making their own protest didn’t help. Thankfully there weren’t any incidents in the crowd. That could have gotten pretty violent if it had. People are packed into those stadium seats and a panicked crowd would injure many many people. Of course what the players did wouldn’t incite anything that wasn’t already planned. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/27 "2014-12-01T21:29:17Z")
Yeah, a few guys silently putting their hands above their heads is clearly inciting violence. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/28 "2014-12-01T21:33:38Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I belive one of the legitmate concerns was crowd behavior yesterday. The Ferguson agitators tried to disrupt the the Macy parade on Thanksgiving. Thankfully the cops were able to prevent it. All the news sources covered the story… > > I expect they had extra cops at the Rams game for the same reason. There was always a chance people would buy tickets and get inside. Then cause an interruption or incident. > > Having players on the field making their own protest didn’t help. Thankfully there weren’t any incidents in the crowd. That could have gotten pretty violent if it had. People are packed into those stadium seats and a panicked crowd would injure many many people. > > Of course what the players did wouldn’t incite anything that wasn’t already planned. You’re quite a worrier, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/29 "2014-12-01T21:38:37Z")
> [@fachverwirrt](#): > > It’s worth pointing out that the St. Louis Police Officers Association is a lobbying group that has no affiliation with the St. Louis Police Department. > > And Jeff Roorda is a corrupt ex-cop who was fired for [repeatedly lying to cover for other officers misconduct](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/ex-cop-behind-st-louis-police-nfl-threat-has-history-of-lying-protecting-crooked-cops/). Thanks, good to know. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/30 "2014-12-01T21:58:47Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I expect they had extra cops at the Rams game for the same reason. There was always a chance people would buy tickets and get inside. Then cause an interruption or incident. Gosh, really? There was a chance that, at a professional football game, someone might purchase tickets to the game and, using that ticket, enter the stadium? Wow!!!1! > [@](#): > > Having players on the field making their own protest didn’t help. Thankfully there weren’t any incidents in the crowd. That could have gotten pretty violent if it had. People are packed into those stadium seats and a panicked crowd would injure many many people. It is your belief this would have somehow caused panic? > [@](#): > > Of course what the Oh, so you’re saying it wouldn’t have. So what’s your point? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/31 "2014-12-01T22:08:26Z")
The point is it’s a football game. The players are there to play and not to make grand statements. They even went after Tim Tebow for his post-touchdown prayers. The NFL keeps it fair by keeping all that type of stuff off the football field. The only exception is when a player dies tragically. The team will put something on their uniform in tribute. That’s a nice gesture and I’m glad it’s allowed. The players can certainly express whatever opinions they want off the field. They are public figures and they frequently give interviews. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/32 "2014-12-01T22:10:39Z")
Was Tim Tebow fined or suspended for his prayer thing? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/33 "2014-12-01T22:13:23Z")
I can’t recall if Tebow was fined or not. They may have just asked him to stop. Which would be appropriate in this case too. The main thing is to put a stop to it before all the teams join in. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/34 "2014-12-01T22:15:22Z")
They didn’t go after Tebow for post-TD prayers. They fined him for uniform violations for having bible verse on his eye black. The league is ridiculous about uniform violations, and they’ve fined other players for eye-black violations too (fines are usually for too much). Players pray after scoring all the time. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/35 "2014-12-01T22:24:24Z")
I’m wondering if people were mad at the LA Clippers for wearing their warm-up jerseys inside out (including during the national anthem) to protest owner Donald Sterling’s racist comments? ---
**Author:** ![nate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nate/32/13085_2.png) [@nate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nate)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/36 "2014-12-01T22:28:10Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I belive one of the legitmate concerns was crowd behavior yesterday. The Ferguson agitators tried to disrupt the the Macy parade on Thanksgiving. Thankfully the cops were able to prevent it. All the news sources covered the story… > > I expect they had extra cops at the Rams game for the same reason. There was always a chance people would buy tickets and get inside. Then cause an interruption or incident. > > Having players on the field making their own protest didn’t help. Thankfully there weren’t any incidents in the crowd. That could have gotten pretty violent if it had. People are packed into those stadium seats and a panicked crowd would injure many many people. > > Of course what the players did wouldn’t incite anything that wasn’t already planned. Is this a joke? Are you serious? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/37 "2014-12-01T23:18:24Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The Ferguson agitators tried to disrupt the the Macy parade on Thanksgiving. Thankfully the cops were able to prevent it. Yes, I see that seven nonviolent protestors were arrested for obstructing the parade route. Fortunately the NYPD was capable of handling this, but I’m sure lots of overtime was required to deal with this grave threat. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/38 "2014-12-01T23:41:40Z")
> [@nate](#): > > Is this a joke? Are you serious? Is it a joke that Ferguson was burned and looted? Yeah, these people are quite capable of disrupting a televised football game in St Louis. They’d love nothing better than for the entire nation to see their protest. This has gone way beyond just the locals. Agitators from all over the country are involved. Very few of the recent arrests were locals. They were people that traveled just to riot and destroy property. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2014, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/39 "2014-12-01T23:54:06Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The point is it’s a football game. The players are there to play and not to make grand statements. Thankfully the salute to the military month is over, and breast cancer awareness month is in the distance past. > [@aceplace57](#): > > They even went after Tim Tebow for his post-touchdown prayers. The NFL keeps it fair by keeping all that type of stuff off the football field. No, they don’t. It’s perfectly acceptable for a player to pray after a touchdown as long as it’s not coordinated with other players. There was never any rule in the NFL restricting his ability to do so. And he mostly did it before the game anyway. Besides, players from opposing teams regular gather after the game for a prayer circle on the field. The NCAA did make a rule about writing slogans on your eye black during Tebow’s time in college, and he did write biblical slogans in his eye black while at school. But the rule never affected him since he’d already graduated. So, to sum up, you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011/40 "2014-12-02T00:05:57Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I belive one of the legitmate concerns was crowd behavior yesterday. The Ferguson agitators tried to disrupt the the Macy parade on Thanksgiving. Thankfully the cops were able to prevent it. All the news sources covered the story… > > I expect they had extra cops at the Rams game for the same reason. There was always a chance people would buy tickets and get inside. Then cause an interruption or incident. > > Having players on the field making their own protest didn’t help. Thankfully there weren’t any incidents in the crowd. That could have gotten pretty violent if it had. People are packed into those stadium seats and a panicked crowd would injure many many people. > > Of course what the players did wouldn’t incite anything that wasn’t already planned. Do you have any idea how thoroughly nonsensical this is? If it were planned, it wouldn’t require anyone to incite it. By your own admission, what the players did wouldn’t have incited something that wasn’t planned. So the players are completely irrelevant to this bizarre fantasy of yours. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ram-players-disrespect-st-louis-police/706011.md?page=3)