# Ramira - So as Not to Hijack the ATMB Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 12, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476 "2015-10-12T20:36:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/21 "2015-10-13T13:10:09Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > We can thank you for the excellent wisdom from the great experience since august of this year. I am sure you have added much with such capacity in reading. 1. I was reading the boards on and off for about a year before I finally bothered to sign up. 2. Regardless, you’ve made lots of posts. It doesn’t take long to realise how numbingly repetitive they are. > [@](#): > > But it strange that this case is of the 5% then since I did not say anything about bigotry, only the boring robotic mathematical pattern of the shodan in the atb. perhaps you can join him in the mathematically predictable responding to subjects. 1. Even if the posts Shodan linked to were brilliant, even if they were masterful multidisciplinary deconstructions of the matter at hand with multiple footnotes which laid out a workable roadmap to world peace, cured cancer, solved the Riemann hypothesis, reversed climate change, fixed global hunger and ended with a bonus slow-motion money shot, it wouldn’t change the fact that the rest of your posts are stupefying, boilerplate ad-hominems which don’t even have the saving grace of being inventive. 2. The Shodan? Is that like The Donald? You don’t need to put the word ‘the’ before every pronoun. > [@Evil Economist](#): > > In fairness to Ramira, you _are_ a bigot. Bigoted against whom? Be specific. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/22 "2015-10-13T13:20:30Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > Bigoted against whom? Be specific. You don’t know? Have you tried reading your posts? ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/23 "2015-10-13T13:21:51Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > You don’t know? Have you tried reading your posts? :rolleyes: **Bigoted against whom? Be specific.** ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/24 "2015-10-13T13:30:29Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > :rolleyes: > > **Bigoted against whom? Be specific.** YOU DON’T KNOW? HAVE YOU TRIED READING YOUR POSTS?:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/25 "2015-10-13T13:38:23Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > YOU DON’T KNOW? HAVE YOU TRIED READING YOUR POSTS?:smack: Okay, so you’ve got nothing and you’re just flinging shit about like a frenzied ape. Good to know. Now fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/26 "2015-10-13T13:53:32Z")
Frenzied GRAPE. Damn people get this shit straight. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/27 "2015-10-13T14:11:18Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > Okay, so you’ve got nothing and you’re just flinging shit about like a frenzied ape. Good to know. > > Now fuck off. See! He’s bigoted against me! I’m repressed! ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/28 "2015-10-13T14:48:44Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > :rolleyes: > > **Bigoted against whom? Be specific.** I withdraw my characterization of you as a bigot. I thought I remembered your name as someone who’d said bigoted things, but I did a quick skim through your posts, and it looks like I mistook your name for someone else’s. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/29 "2015-10-13T14:54:24Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I withdraw my characterization of you as a bigot. I thought I remembered your name as someone who’d said bigoted things, but I did a quick skim through your posts, and it looks like I mistook your name for someone else’s. Good for you for apologizing for your error. Oh wait, you didn’t. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/30 "2015-10-13T14:56:20Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I withdraw my characterization of you as a bigot. I thought I remembered your name as someone who’d said bigoted things, but I did a quick skim through your posts, and it looks like I mistook your name for someone else’s. Thanks. Much appreciated. Needless to say, I withdraw the insults. I guess it’s an easy mistake to make on a board with as many members as this one. No harm, no foul 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/31 "2015-10-13T15:01:26Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Good for you for apologizing for your error. > > Oh wait, you didn’t. :dubious: Oh good, a “let’s you and him fight” post. Many boards that’s an instaban. Fingers crossed! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/32 "2015-10-13T15:17:36Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I don’t think you’re getting it. Repeating yourself over and over is not a good way to complain about someone repeating himself over and over. The Usual Suspects It’s Okay if a Democrat Does It Just Because He Says Black People Are Dumb Doesn’t Make Him Racist! Regards, Hoedown ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/33 "2015-10-13T15:31:16Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Regards, > Hoedown no u ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/34 "2015-10-13T15:42:03Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Oh good, a “let’s you and him fight” post. Many boards that’s an instaban. Fingers crossed! I was trying to be helpful. I figured that I could help make up for one of your parents failings. Thought you might say after it was brought to your attention, “Whoops, yeah, so sorry about that, Tithonus.” But…nope. But I do find it hilarious that you insult a poster—incorrectly—numerous times, realize your error, admit it, but when it comes to doing the obvious fucking thing (to anyone with a shred of decency)—apologizing—well, that’s just not your thing, huh? Another lowlife identified. Ignorance fought. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/35 "2015-10-13T15:52:08Z")
> [@andros](#): > > no u In this post, you misspelled “mathematical algorithm.” ---
**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/36 "2015-10-13T15:54:09Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I withdraw my characterization of you as a bigot. I thought I remembered your name as someone who’d said bigoted things, but I did a quick skim through your posts, and it looks like I mistook your name for someone else’s. [No, you were right the first time.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=764716) ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/37 "2015-10-13T15:54:47Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Oh good, a “let’s you and him fight” post. Many boards that’s an instaban. Fingers crossed! You sound like my ex-girlfriend. First disingenuous, then just plain wrong, then deflecting with a hint of whine. Next comes the emotional manipulation I expect? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/38 "2015-10-13T16:18:25Z")
> [@Pedro](#): > > You sound like my ex-girlfriend. First disingenuous, then just plain wrong, then deflecting with a hint of whine. Next comes the emotional manipulation I expect? And then - the oral sex! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/39 "2015-10-13T16:19:29Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I was trying to be helpful. I figured that I could help make up for one of your parents failings. Thought you might say after it was brought to your attention, “Whoops, yeah, so sorry about that, Tithonus.” But…nope. > > But I do find it hilarious that you insult a poster—incorrectly—numerous times, realize your error, admit it, but when it comes to doing the obvious fucking thing (to anyone with a shred of decency)—apologizing—well, that’s just not your thing, huh? > > Another lowlife identified. Ignorance fought. If you could help me with what a proper apology should look like by linking to a post of yours where you apologized for your error, that would be really helpful. ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/40 "2015-10-13T16:28:08Z")
> [@A\_isha](#): > > [No, you were right the first time.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=764716) I’m not a betting man, but I’m willing to wager that **A’isha** counting on people _not_ reading that thread. If they did, they might see statements like these: > [@Tithonus](#): > > I’m also talking about Islam as a belief system, not muslims as people. > [@Tithonus](#): > > I’m talking about Islam as a belief system. I’m talking about bad ideas and their consequences. > [@Tithonus](#): > > Why is this so hard to get through your heads? You can criticise Islam as a bad religion without condemning all Muslims as bad people. Saying otherwise is a bit like saying you can’t hate cancer without hating cancer patients. > [@Tithonus](#): > > It’s worth pointing out that by far and away the biggest victims of the bad ideas in Islam are Muslims themselves. I don’t think they’re dumb or evil. I think that a significant number of them (some, _not_ all) were raised with bad ideas and are acting accordingly. The solution to this is to aggressively debunk the bad ideas. > [@Tithonus](#): > > Were you under the impression that I don’t think there’s anything of worth in Islamic scripture? Because I’ve been very careful not to give that impression. > [@Tithonus](#): > > I am merely arguing that the bad behaviour of Islamic extremists is down to the extremist beliefs that they hold. And many more besides. As much as A’isha would like you all to believe that I’m a kill-'em-all-and-let-God-sort-'em-out style White Supremacist who only found out about Islam on The O’Reilly Factor and just wants to give all those horrible darkies a damn good thrashing, the truth is that I’m simply arguing there are certain prominent ideas in Islamic scripture which, if sincerely believed, can act as catalysts for bad behaviour. And you know what? My remedy for this problem is simple: > [@Tithonus](#): > > Once the link between bad beliefs and bad behaviour has been acknowledged, use the power of _ **conversation** _ to debunk, delegitimise, and ridicule those beliefs. > > There’s not really much more we can do. Still, it worked for Christianity. It could easily work for Islam. If that’s what a bigot looks like, then pretty much everyone could easily be classed as a bigot against one group or another. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476.md?page=3)