# Ramira - So as Not to Hijack the ATMB Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 12, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476 "2015-10-12T20:36:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/81 "2015-10-14T00:38:34Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You’re SO FUCKIN FULL OF SHIT! What do you mean they’re silent? I just cited you figures from the head of my state’s NAACP, to one of the prime movers and shakers in bringing SSM lawsuits in the South, to the president of the United Fucking States of America. And you think that anti-Christian leftists are louder than them? Based on the way Christianity has been forcibly marginalized over the last few decades as a result of various court rulings, liberal agitation and political correctness, the answer is unequivocally yes. > [@Left Hard of Dorkness](#): > > Seriously: **mathematically impossible**. You left out “paradigm” and “algorithm”. How am I supposed to take such insults seriously when you can’t even seem to get with the spirit of the thread? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/82 "2015-10-14T01:42:13Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Based on the way Christianity has been forcibly marginalized over the last few decades _So fucking stupid_ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/83 "2015-10-14T02:03:49Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I understand your point, that people are more likely to react more strongly to things that hit close to home. But still, given that the left in America is so passionate about issues like homosexuality and misogyny and so full of ire and intolerance even toward those who are benign about those issues, let alone those who are opposed or unconvinced, the logical conclusion seems to me to be that the left would be driven to oppose even harder those who adopt an even harder and often physically punitive approach to women’s rights and homosexuality, even if most proponents of the latter live in countries far away. Unlike my considerable ignorance of the lot of Christians in China, Islamic attitudes toward women (and girls, and female children) and homosexuals are well-known. If I didn’t know better I would have expected that America’s left would be more riled up and in even stronger opposition to Islam and its practices than those of us on the right. > > I do appreciate the insight however. While I obviously don’t agree with the sentiment at least the question of ‘why’ has been answered to my satisfaction. There’s something like fourteen million women in Saudi Arabia. I think it’s fair to say that pretty much all of them are oppressed. They are also, pretty much all of them, Muslims. If you say that Islam is your enemy, you are telling these women that they are your enemy, too. I don’t see how that helps them. ---
**Author:** ![Chikni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d26b3c/32.png) [@Chikni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chikni)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/84 "2015-10-14T02:28:00Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > There’s something like fourteen million women in Saudi Arabia. I think it’s fair to say that pretty much all of them are oppressed. They are also, pretty much all of them, Muslims. \*\* If you say that Islam is your enemy, you are telling these women that they are your enemy, too.\*\* (emphasis mine) How does that follow? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/85 "2015-10-14T03:11:08Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > There’s something like fourteen million women in Saudi Arabia. I think it’s fair to say that pretty much all of them are oppressed. They are also, pretty much all of them, Muslims. If you say that Islam is your enemy, you are telling these women that they are your enemy, too. > > I don’t see how that helps them. Despite my well-known aversion to many aspects of liberalism, most of my family and friends are liberals. None of us regard the other as enemies. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/86 "2015-10-14T06:12:59Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Ah, so it’s all in service to avoiding a new war? Well then why not just say so, rather than run around accusing everyone who’s rightfully opposed to Islam and its treatment of women and homosexuals of hating brown people being evil bigots? There was much to fear from Communism and there’s much to fear now from Islam, and yet the only foreign ideology the left seems to be able to find it in its heart to revile is Facism. Many, many more people - as in millions and millions and _millions_ - have suffered and died horrible deaths as a result of both Communism and Islam in the last century than ever happened under Facism. So in my opinion if you want to lobby against war, at least do it honestly. Otherwise you just appear mysteriously hypocritical. Right. Because nobody on the left ever fought against communism in this country. :rolleyes: There were never any anti-communist leftists. Who knew Johnson and Kennedy were such right-wingers? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/87 "2015-10-14T10:00:15Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > So, if one were to go back through your posts on this message board… I just browsed through the thread, and because of all the quoting saw this. Very interesting point, and the same thing could be said for so many issues. It’s an actual insight, and even with out knowing (yet) what triggered it, I believe in noting and praising insight and well written thoughts, and other good shit like what is in that post. (I only quoted part of it for context) The sad part is that it’s in the Pit. The great thing is, it’s in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/88 "2015-10-14T22:10:37Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Try harder. I’ve been going through all your posts with the word “apologize” in them. Boy, you seem to spend a lot of time demanding that other people apologize. I mean, you spend A LOT of time demanding that other people apologize. Demanding that they apologize to you. Demanding that they apologize to others. You are an inspiration to me in how much you care about manners. I’m going to start calling you **manners01**. But, strangely, no posts where you are the one apologizing. How odd. Perhaps an etiquette expert such as yourself hand delivers his apologies? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/89 "2015-10-14T22:28:16Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I’ve been going through all your posts with the word “apologize” in them. Boy, you seem to spend a lot of time demanding that other people apologize. I mean, you spend A LOT of time demanding that other people apologize. Demanding that they apologize to you. Demanding that they apologize to others. You are an inspiration to me in how much you care about manners. I’m going to start calling you **manners01**. > > But, strangely, no posts where you are the one apologizing. How odd. Perhaps an etiquette expert such as yourself hand delivers his apologies? Same advice, I guess, Try harder. I’ve absolutely apologized on these boards. The Search function sucks to the point that I can never find anything. So I’m not going to waste my time. Others seem to have more luck with it. But here was also **tomndebb’s** apology. It is kind of amazing that you seem to not know how to go about it. But hey, it’s never too late to acquire a skill. I wish you luck. If you’d like to float a few efforts as you try out this new skill, feel free. I’m here to help. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/90 "2015-10-14T22:33:09Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I’ve been going through all your posts with the word “apologize” in them. Boy, you seem to spend a lot of time demanding that other people apologize. Are you trying to blame me for the unfortunate number of instances of poor parenting? And I’m sure that the majority of what you saw had to do with one incident with one poster who seems to share your character flaw. A sibling perhaps? Hell, the situations are so similar, maybe your twin? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/91 "2015-10-14T22:45:06Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Same advice, I guess, Try harder. I’ve absolutely apologized on these boards. The Search function sucks to the point that I can never find anything. So I’m not going to waste my time. Others seem to have more luck with it. But here was also **tomndebb’s** apology. It is kind of amazing that you seem to not know how to go about it. But hey, it’s never too late to acquire a skill. I wish you luck. If you’d like to float a few efforts as you try out this new skill, feel free. I’m here to help. You know, this \*\*tomndebb \*\*sounds like a real stand-up kinda guy, with the apologizing and all. But I hear you’re the real master at it. I mean, I’ve definitely noticed from reading your posts that you care a lot about apologies. A lot. A LOT. So, although \*\*tomndebb \*\*may be great, I bet you’re better. You know who I bet could help me find examples of you apologizing? Your Canadian girlfriend, that’s who. I hear she’s great. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/92 "2015-10-14T22:54:58Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > You know, this \*\*tomndebb \*\*sounds like a real stand-up kinda guy, with the apologizing and all. But I hear you’re the real master at it. I mean, I’ve definitely noticed from reading your posts that you care a lot about apologies. A lot. A LOT. So, although \*\*tomndebb \*\*may be great, I bet you’re better. > > You know who I bet could help me find examples of you apologizing? Your Canadian girlfriend, that’s who. I hear she’s great. Whatever helps you. Whatever helps you break the cycle of shitty character that’s been passed on to you. Some people just get shitty parents. That’s unfortunate. Good for you for trying to break that cycle. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/93 "2015-10-14T22:57:18Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Whatever helps you. Whatever helps you break the cycle of shitty character that’s been passed on to you. Some people just get shitty parents. That’s unfortunate. Good for you for trying to break that cycle. My parents are great. Hey…you were just wrong about something…and you were rude about it! Boy oh boy oh boy, I bet I got a great apology coming! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/94 "2015-10-14T23:06:10Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > My parents are great. I’m sure they have their good points, but “great”? The available evidence strongly argues otherwise. Sorry for you about that. But you can do it. You can break that cycle of shitty character. I’m cheering you on EE! ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/95 "2015-10-14T23:58:28Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’m sure they have their good points, but “great”? The available evidence strongly argues otherwise. > > Sorry for you about that. But you can do it. You can break that cycle of shitty character. I’m cheering you on EE! You should be careful: There’s this guy, posting on this thread, who takes apologies really seriously. If he were here he might say something like: > [@magellan01](#): > > when it comes to doing the obvious fucking thing (to anyone with a shred of decency)—apologizing—well, that’s just not your thing, huh? > > Another lowlife identified. Ignorance fought. Man, that guy takes apologizing seriously. Personally, I admire you greatly and think that you have more than a shred of decency; that guy has no right to call you a lowlife. And there’s another guy here, who says things like: > [@magellan01](#): > > Stop dancing. Just fucking apologize to him you imbecile. Although you’ve made it unlikely that it will feel sincere. Since it’s so hard for you to do and all. That’s that other guy calling you an imbecile for not apologizing, not me. I would never be that rude. Anyway, like I said, I don’t want an apology, but that other guy seems pretty het up about it. Stay out of that guy’s way, OK? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/96 "2015-10-15T00:05:29Z")
Meh. magellan’s a repulsive no-class asshole. It’s how he makes his mark on the world. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/97 "2015-10-15T00:24:05Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > You should be careful: There’s this guy, posting on this thread, who takes apologies really seriously. If he were here he might say something like: > > Man, that guy takes apologizing seriously. Personally, I admire you greatly and think that you have more than a shred of decency; that guy has no right to call you a lowlife. > > And there’s another guy here, who says things like: > > That’s that other guy calling you an imbecile for not apologizing, not me. I would never be that rude. > > Anyway, like I said, I don’t want an apology, but that other guy seems pretty het up about it. Stay out of that guy’s way, OK? I realize that this whole apology thing is new to you, so let me see if I can help. Sometimes apologies are called for, sometimes they’re not. For instance, where you went after a poster repeatedly—in error—then realized your error and admitted it, THAT would be an appropriate time to apologize. Now let me see if I can come up with a situation where an apology would not be called for. Oh, I know! Let’s say that I come across a lowlife who attacks someone, in error, repeatedly, then finally realizes his error and admits it. Then he chooses to _not_ apologize to his target for his error. Now imagine the presence of a wise and noble poster (well, at least in comparison to the lowlife), who, after reminding said lowlife of his obligation and the lowlife obstinately refuses to apologize, berates the lowlife for his lack of character. THAT would not—not—be an instance in which an apology was due the lowlife, as he would thoroughly have earned the scorn and derision the wise and noble poster heaped upon on him for his gross and basic moral failing. Even, and this is important to note, even if the moral failing was due to poor parenting by the lowlifes parents, who may have been pedophile and a crack whore. Hope that helps. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/98 "2015-10-15T00:27:49Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Meh. magellan’s a repulsive no-class asshole. It’s how he makes his mark on the world. Ha. I point out that some poster of low character owes another poster an apology and _I’m_ the repulsive one? Ha. I didn’t know you were so funny. But thanks for shining a light on your own character. I must admit that even though we disagree and tons of stuff, I didn’t have you pegged for a lowlife. Ignorance fought, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/99 "2015-10-15T00:32:15Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I realize that this whole apology thing is new to you, so let me see if I can help. > > Sometimes apologies are called for, sometimes they’re not. For instance, where you went after a poster repeatedly—in error—then realized your error and admitted it, THAT would be an appropriate time to apologize. > > Now let me see if I can come up with a situation where an apology would not be called for. Oh, I know! Let’s say that I come across a lowlife who attacks someone, in error, repeatedly, then finally realizes his error and admits it. Then he chooses to _not_ apologize to his target for his error. > > Now imagine the presence of a wise and noble poster (well, at least in comparison to the lowlife), who, after reminding said lowlife of his obligation and the lowlife obstinately refuses to apologize, berates the lowlife for his lack of character. THAT would not—not—be an instance in which an apology was due the lowlife, as he would thoroughly have earned the scorn and derision the wise and noble poster heaped upon on him for his gross and basic moral failing. Even, and this is important to note, even if the moral failing was due to poor parenting by the lowlifes parents, who may have been pedophile and a crack whore. > > Hope that helps. I’m starting to think that you may not be the paragon of etiquette that you hold yourself out to be. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/100 "2015-10-15T00:38:58Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I’m starting to think that you may not be the paragon of etiquette that you hold yourself out to be. I never claimed to be. But I do try. And I do apologize when it comes to light that I’ve been in error and unfairly attacked someone (for instance). Unlike you. So while I might fall way, way way, way, way shy of being a paragon of etiquette, I’m evidently doing a good enough job that I can look down at you. I can yell down to you and describe the way up. And when that doesn’t go well, piss on you. So there’s that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476.md?page=6)