# Ramira - So as Not to Hijack the ATMB Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 12, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476 "2015-10-12T20:36:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/101 "2015-10-15T00:44:04Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I never claimed to be. But I do try. And I do apologize when it comes to light that I’ve been in error and unfairly attacked someone (for instance). Unlike you. > > So while I might fall way, way way, way, way shy of being a paragon of etiquette, I’m evidently doing a good enough job that I can look down at you. I can yell down to you and describe the way up. And when that doesn’t go well, piss on you. > > So there’s that. Don’t sell yourself short. Your every post in this thread is something you could show your family and co-workers with pride. You hold yourself to the highest behavioral standards and you demand that others do the same. I understand. I’ll try to live up to your standards, though if you don’t mind I’ll try not to call your parents pedophiles and crack whores (even if they are!). ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/102 "2015-10-15T00:49:39Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I’ll try to live up to your standards Given where you are, not a bad starting point. Lots of luck! ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/103 "2015-10-15T01:25:20Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Based on the way Christianity has been forcibly marginalized over the last few decades as a result of various court rulings [snip] No, that isn’t what’s marginalizing Christianity. What’s marginalizing Christianity is something far crueler, far more insidious, and, ultimately, impossible to defeat. What’s marginalizing Christianity is demographic change. [Millennials are the least religious generation, probably ever, certainly among the people who are still living.](http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/12/millennials-increasingly-are-driving-growth-of-nones/) This isn’t a blip, it’s a continuation of a trend which has been stable for, essentially, ever, as far as demographics are concerned: Every younger generation is less religious than the one before, in a fairly monotonic decline of religiosity. Demographic shift is slow, but inexorable. It’s all about mass movements of people and mass shifts in popular opinion. Trying to reverse a demographic shift is even more futile than trying to sweep out the tide: Tides can be controlled with dikes; demographics can occasionally be controlled with cataclysm, but don’t depend on it. In case all the big words confused you, I’ll summarize: **Your generation is dying, and with it the implicit cultural assumption that people follow a religious belief. You cannot reverse this trend. You cannot fight it successfully. You can rant and rail and die. That’s it. It’s over. You lose.** ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/104 "2015-10-15T02:43:54Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Given where you are, not a bad starting point. > > Lots of luck! I think it’s cool that you and I resolved our differences through open communication, and that we’re bros now! Now that we’re a team I have to ask who our other bros are. Because when I was looking through your posts for apologies, I didn’t really notice anyone who treated you with any respect at all. At least not the kind of respect that bros should show each other. Not the kind of respect _I_ would show you, bro. If it’s just the two of us that’s cool. But I bet there’s others in the **magellen01** admiration socety–it’s just that posts where people show any respect for you are hidden away with the posts where you apologize to people, and if so I’ll stumble across them eventually. Talk to you later bro! ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/105 "2015-10-15T03:37:46Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Not to interrupt the Pit, but I think there may be a disconnect here. I don’t consider beliefs to have any existence at all outside of people’s noggins. If you criticize a belief system, you are implicitly criticizing those who hold that belief system. > > Which is perfectly fine to do. I’ll criticize white supremacists all the livelong day. > > The problem is that a belief system like “Islam” is not a belief system at all. It’s at minimum dozens of different, more-or-less-related belief systems. The belief system in the noggin of a middle-class feminist Muslim in Santa Barbara is going to be extremely different from the belief system in the head of an ISIS thug. Discussing “Islam” as a whole is borderline incoherent. The few elements the two belief systems share in common are not the elements that are repugnant. The same book/leader creates both extremes. I suspect you would give Mohammed/The Koran credit when it produces good results and try to ignore Mohammed/The Koran when it produces bad results. This seems like a bad policy to me, particularly due to the simple fact that people can be good without a religious text/religion to motivate them. I admit religion has some good uses but overall it is more trouble than it is worth and Islam is the most problematic of the current dominant world religions. **LHOD** you and I agree a lot but occasionally we disagree. I don’t know if you remember me saying so, I presume you do, I have a lot of respect for your opinion so even if we disagree here after you make your response, please note that I allways give serious thought to what you say, even if we disagree. Also, I admit I take my dislike of religion too an extreme, I am not saying otherwise… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/106 "2015-10-15T10:04:31Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > The same book/leader creates both extremes. I suspect you would give Mohammed/The Koran credit when it produces good results and try to ignore Mohammed/The Koran when it produces bad results. Absolutely not. I give credit to people who do good things, not to some long dead dude that they were thinking about when they did the good things. ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Hartwick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@Dave\_Hartwick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Hartwick)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/107 "2015-10-15T11:41:07Z")
Huh, this almost looks like a drive by from Shodan. How unusual. I’m sure he’ll be back to support his claims real soon. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/108 "2015-10-15T11:41:41Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I think it’s cool that you and I resolved our differences through open communication, and that we’re bros now! > > Now that we’re a team I have to ask who our other bros are. Because when I was looking through your posts for apologies, I didn’t really notice anyone who treated you with any respect at all. At least not the kind of respect that bros should show each other. Not the kind of respect _I_ would show you, bro. > > If it’s just the two of us that’s cool. But I bet there’s others in the **magellen01** admiration socety–it’s just that posts where people show any respect for you are hidden away with the posts where you apologize to people, and if so I’ll stumble across them eventually. > > Talk to you later bro! Thanks for the vote of solidarity! And while its been amply demonstrated that our parents were not only different people, but different calibers of people with vastly differing degrees of success with their primary responsibility, I appreciate where you’re coming from with the figurative colloquialism, “bro”. I never had a little brother and I’m happy that I can take you under my wing and share the basics my parents taught me and, with a little luck, override the unfortunate start you had in life. I’m here for you, little bro! ---
**Author:** ![Whiskey\_Dickens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9fc348/32.png) [@Whiskey\_Dickens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whiskey_Dickens)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/109 "2015-10-15T13:46:06Z")
Just wanted to add that Shodan is an insufferable prick who I’ve disliked since the first time I saw the “regards,” schtick. I know you like to do it to piss people off, but you’ve managed to mark yourself as a pretentious twat to newbies before even getting a chance to show them you’re actually completely useless. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/110 "2015-10-15T13:47:33Z")
> [@Whiskey\_Dickens](#): > > you’ve managed to mark yourself as a pretentious twat to newbies before even getting a chance to show them you’re actually completely useless. You say that like it’s a bad thing ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/111 "2015-10-15T15:22:28Z")
Actually, **Shodan** is very, very good at one thing: beating up on the high school kids who show up in GD to breathlessly tell us why 9/11 was an inside job or why Newtown was a false flag operation or whatever. I may not have much use for him in terms of mainstream politics, but he’s very, very good at disposing of drive-by posters. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Despite my well-known aversion to many aspects of liberalism, most of my family and friends are liberals. None of us regard the other as enemies. That’s because you don’t say the same stupid shit in real life that you do here. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/112 "2015-10-15T15:26:03Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Ha. I point out that some poster of low character owes another poster an apology and _I’m_ the repulsive one? Ha. I didn’t know you were so funny. But thanks for shining a light on your own character. I must admit that even though we disagree and tons of stuff, I didn’t have you pegged for a lowlife. > > Ignorance fought, I guess. I’ve lost count of the number of times you’ve pretended to be a disappointed dad or whatever you’re trying to pull off here–the number of times you’ve told me that your opinion of me used to be higher. It wasn’t remotely interesting the first time you’ve tried it; and since then, my opinion of you has bottomed out and then leased excavating equipment in order to plumb new depths. You’re not very bright, not at all consistent, dishonest, and indecent. You never raise interesting points for debate or substantive objections. You’re a waste. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/113 "2015-10-15T15:26:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Despite my well-known aversion to many aspects of liberalism, most of my family and friends are liberals. None of us regard the other as enemies. I can readily believe that he does, indeed, have family. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/114 "2015-10-15T15:57:53Z")
This pitting of Ramira has turned into a bar brawl, which I think is great. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/115 "2015-10-15T16:02:08Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’ve lost count of the number of times you’ve pretended to be a disappointed dad or whatever you’re trying to pull off here–the number of times you’ve told me that your opinion of me used to be higher. It wasn’t remotely interesting the first time you’ve tried it; and since then, my opinion of you has bottomed out and then leased excavating equipment in order to plumb new depths. You’re not very bright, not at all consistent, dishonest, and indecent. You never raise interesting points for debate or substantive objections. You’re a waste. But how do you really feel? And can you really not count higher than 3 or so? Now as crushed as I am about your estimation of my intellect (sob), I am curious as to how you get to inconsistent and dishonest. I’ll have to ask you to explain those. As far as indecent, I’m sure a priss like you who tries so hard to come off as some educator-intellectual (unsuccessfully) you can smell the chalk dust, is bound to have a different understanding of indecency. Tell me, is it difficult to type with delicate pinkies extended? And don’t bother going running to the mods about being called a pries, pussy. This time it’s in the pit. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/116 "2015-10-15T16:14:49Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And don’t bother going running to the mods about being called a pries, pussy. This time it’s in the pit. You called him a Prius? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/117 "2015-10-15T16:22:49Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You’re not very bright, not at all consistent, dishonest, and indecent. You never raise interesting points for debate or substantive objections. You’re a waste. I’m sick of the way everyone on this board picks on my bro **magellan01**. Everyone here is always calling him an asshole, or a moron, or an idiot, or a douchebag, or a racist, or a shitstain, or a jackoff, or a fucktard, or a dickhead, or an imbecile, or a bigot, or a worthless fuck, or a liar, or a fucking moron, or a dribbling idiot, or a…well, I could go on. Anyway, I’m sick of it. You people need to treat my bro \*\*magellan01 \*\*with some respect, okay! Come on **magellan01** , let’s get out of here. We can find two other people having a discussion and demand that one of them apologize! That’ll be fun, right? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/118 "2015-10-15T16:25:23Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You called him a Prius? 😕 Damn autocorrect. I fixed it twice: priss. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/119 "2015-10-15T16:28:29Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I’m sick of the way everyone on this board picks on my bro **magellan01**. Everyone here is always calling him an asshole, or a moron, or an idiot, or a douchebag, or a racist, or a shitstain, or a jackoff, or a fucktard, or a dickhead, or an imbecile, or a bigot, or a worthless fuck, or a liar, or a fucking moron, or a dribbling idiot, or a…well, I could go on. > > Anyway, I’m sick of it. You people need to treat my bro \*\*magellan01 \*\*with some respect, okay! > > Come on **magellan01** , let’s get out of here. We can find two other people having a discussion and demand that one of them apologize! That’ll be fun, right? Well done. Such an improvement in such a short time gratifies me. If you were here I’d give you an encouraging tussle of the hair on your head. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476/120 "2015-10-15T16:33:07Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Now as crushed as I am about your estimation of my intellect (sob), I am curious as to how you get to inconsistent and dishonest. I’ll have to ask you to explain those. Yeah, thing is, I don’t think you’re even honest enough to make a request like this honestly. Denied. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ramira-so-as-not-to-hijack-the-atmb-thread/734476.md?page=7)