# Rams football is back, baybee! **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2016, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303 "2016-08-10T02:25:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/21 "2016-08-20T06:30:18Z")
Sorry, links fixed now… [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994\_Los\_Angeles\_Raiders\_season](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Los_Angeles_Raiders_season) average home attendance: over 50K [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993\_Los\_Angeles\_Raiders\_season](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Los_Angeles_Raiders_season) average home attendance: over 47K [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992\_Los\_Angeles\_Raiders\_season](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_Raiders_season) average home attendance: over 54K ---
**Author:** ![RetroVertigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b38774/32.png) [@RetroVertigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RetroVertigo)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/22 "2016-08-20T12:17:58Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > I have no sympathy for St. Louis. Your town has stolen two football teams from other cities in NFL history, then lost both. What goes around, comes around. St. Louis is a great baseball town, and seems like good hockey fans, but not a great NFL city, no offense. The Cardinals were not stolen. They were a 2nd fiddle team in Chicago that didn’t draw in the fan support and could no longer compete. When the city refused to build the owner a stadium he moved. For the Rams, yes attendance suffered after a dismal decade of which there was a 5 year period that is the worst in the history of the NFL. Combine that with an owner who lied about his intentions from day 1, and yeah attendance wasn’t great. ---
**Author:** ![Fleetwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fleetwood/32/271_2.png) [@Fleetwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fleetwood)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/23 "2016-08-20T12:57:59Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > It took me awhile, but it’s finally starting to take root… > > The Rams are back home, where they were always supposed to be! > > For those of you East Coasters (or anyone else) who wanted to deny us REAL football, GO (expletive deleted) YOURSELVES! > > Welcome to the new world. > > Just wish Hard Knocks weren’t around to jinx it. They brought Jeff Fisher with them! Ha Ha! ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/24 "2016-08-20T13:09:21Z")
> [@Fleetwood](#): > > They brought Jeff Fisher with them! Ha Ha! Isn’t he the guy who almost won a Super Bowl? He came up 2 feet short on the last play. ---
**Author:** ![Personal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Personal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Personal)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/25 "2016-08-20T13:42:54Z")
Before I post about it, I’ll ask if there’s a Hard Knocks thread. I can’t find one. If not I’ll start one. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/26 "2016-08-20T17:15:24Z")
> [@Personal](#): > > Before I post about it, I’ll ask if there’s a Hard Knocks thread. I can’t find one. If not I’ll start one. None that I’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/27 "2016-08-20T19:45:14Z")
sorry id rather of had the raiders back… ---
**Author:** ![Backwater\_Under\_Duck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba8739/32.png) [@Backwater\_Under\_Duck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Backwater_Under_Duck)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/28 "2016-08-21T00:01:32Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Because prices haven’t risen at all in the last 20 years. Are you serious with this shit? I’m seriously curious. Over the seasons I learned every in and out of parking around the stadium. My first season, since I was coming from Long Beach, I parked south of the stadium if I was too late to get in the Coliseum parking lot. Driveways could get a real premium at times. One time I was lucky to get into a vacant lot that kids were charging five bucks to get past this fence they had torn down. I learned to park north of the stadium. Then I took the Blue-Line as far as Trade Tech and hoofed it. Anyway, I’m sure it’s not expensive yet. And yes, I remember the big games. But the half-full games were better for parking and exiting. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/29 "2016-08-21T04:27:24Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Isn’t he the guy who almost won a Super Bowl? He came up 2 feet short on the last play. Before I get too invested, I must ask you about your thought on Jeff Fisher. I’ve expressed, numerous times, my shock that he is still.employed as a head coach in the NFL, and my personal distaste for him, but I’d love to hear from a Jeff Fisher supporter. ---
**Author:** ![RetroVertigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b38774/32.png) [@RetroVertigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RetroVertigo)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/30 "2016-08-21T13:10:24Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Before I get too invested, I must ask you about your thought on Jeff Fisher. I’ve expressed, numerous times, my shock that he is still.employed as a head coach in the NFL, and my personal distaste for him, but I’d love to hear from a Jeff Fisher supporter. I have never understood the Fisher support. He has had 6 winning seasons out of 20 (not counting his first abbreviated season), and is barely over .500 overall. He had been coasting on that 1999 run for the better part of his career. ---
**Author:** ![Enter\_the\_Flagon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Enter\_the\_Flagon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enter_the_Flagon)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/31 "2016-08-21T14:18:56Z")
Some interesting Jeff Fisher facts: Born in Culver City, he played high school football in Woodland Hills, so a local boy. That should help him hold his job for an extra 30 seconds next January. He was a member of that great 1985 Bears team that won it all, but spent the season on injured reserve. A disciple of the virtuous and honorable Buddy Ryan, his Titans team led the league with the most personal fouls over the span of 2001-2010, with 163; the runners up had 137. Once had his leg broken in a game on a hit by Bill Cowher. His determination to win his first Super Bowl, though - after 20 full seasons as a head coach - remains unbroken. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/32 "2016-08-21T17:23:54Z")
> [@Backwater\_Under\_Duck](#): > > I’m seriously curious. Over the seasons I learned every in and out of parking around the stadium. My first season, since I was coming from Long Beach, I parked south of the stadium if I was too late to get in the Coliseum parking lot. Driveways could get a real premium at times. One time I was lucky to get into a vacant lot that kids were charging five bucks to get past this fence they had torn down. I learned to park north of the stadium. Then I took the Blue-Line as far as Trade Tech and hoofed it. Anyway, I’m sure it’s not expensive yet. And yes, I remember the big games. But the half-full games were better for parking and exiting. I have no idea…I haven’t been to an event in Exposition Park in years, and parking would obviously be more expensive for a game than normally is the case. ---
**Author:** ![Fleetwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fleetwood/32/271_2.png) [@Fleetwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fleetwood)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/33 "2016-08-22T15:00:05Z")
> [@RetroVertigo](#): > > I have never understood the Fisher support. He has had 6 winning seasons out of 20 (not counting his first abbreviated season), and is barely over .500 overall. He had been coasting on that 1999 run for the better part of his career. 5-6 overall playoff record including the 3-1 1999 run. Never won more than seven games with Rams, no playoffs. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/34 "2016-08-22T15:18:28Z")
Not just are they back, but I believe they’re already eliminated from postseason contention. #howaboutsomeprotectionforAndrewLuck? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/35 "2016-08-22T15:36:54Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Sorry, links fixed now… > > [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994\_Los\_Angeles\_Raiders\_season](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Los_Angeles_Raiders_season) average home attendance: over 50K > [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993\_Los\_Angeles\_Raiders\_season](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Los_Angeles_Raiders_season) average home attendance: over 47K > [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992\_Los\_Angeles\_Raiders\_season](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_Raiders_season) average home attendance: over 54K Doesn’t LA Coliseum seat like 80k? That attendance seems pretty paltry, especially for an NFL team. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/36 "2016-08-22T15:58:07Z")
I wonder if those wiki numbers are actual attendance, or a soft fudge number. Until sometime in the early 2000’s NFL teams were free to publish whatever version of numbers they wanted to. Then the NFL specifically told teams to begin reporting “tickets sold” and nothing else. So, that means, for example, the Raiders could conceivably have had a game that they published a 50K attendance number, when the reality might have been 35K butts in seats. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/37 "2016-08-22T18:41:22Z")
In service of what? Oh, right, what shitty fans L.A. residents are. Anybody else who doesn’t live here care to pipe up? Fuck it, believe whatever you want. You have no clue how sick and bloody tired I am of hearing that crap. I have literally been hearing it for decades. ---
**Author:** ![RetroVertigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b38774/32.png) [@RetroVertigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RetroVertigo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/38 "2016-08-22T19:33:38Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > In service of what? Oh, right, what shitty fans L.A. residents are. Anybody else who doesn’t live here care to pipe up? > > Fuck it, believe whatever you want. You have no clue how sick and bloody tired I am of hearing that crap. I have literally been hearing it for decades. So are the anecdotes about LA fans arriving late and leaving early false? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/39 "2016-08-22T21:44:36Z")
Is this your first time being pregnant? How would I know if _anecdotes_ are false? ---
**Author:** ![Backwater\_Under\_Duck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba8739/32.png) [@Backwater\_Under\_Duck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Backwater_Under_Duck)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303/40 "2016-08-23T01:11:36Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Doesn’t LA Coliseum seat like 80k? That attendance seems pretty paltry, especially for an NFL team. It was a full 100,000 at that time. Full disclosure. I actually think it was 99 and change. The Rose Bowl had a complete 100,000 and change. When we would see the crowd we had, and the announcer was saying there were 45-50,000 people there, we kind of wondered where they actually were. The stats aren’t right, and I just got witness memory to go on. But yes, they did sell it out every now and then. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rams-football-is-back-baybee/762303.md?page=3)