# Rand Paul apparently really likes Wikipedia **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 30, 2013, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-apparently-really-likes-wikipedia/672621 "2013-10-30T03:17:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-apparently-really-likes-wikipedia/672621/121 "2013-11-07T21:03:22Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Lindsey Graham says 4700 have been killed. I’m not actually allowed to know more details about this number. How did you go about assessing the innocence of those 4700? Your original assertion was that drones have “killed thousands of innocent people.” How did you arrive at that position? ---
**Author:** ![Rainbow\_Warrior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f19dbf/32.png) [@Rainbow\_Warrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rainbow_Warrior)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-apparently-really-likes-wikipedia/672621/122 "2013-11-07T21:04:38Z")
He could have at least mixed the wording a bit… Or just made a ‘this is from wikipedia’ comment… ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-apparently-really-likes-wikipedia/672621/123 "2013-11-08T00:49:56Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Actually my initial claim was that Maddowites find it necessary to hold Tea Party Republicans responsible for ethical failures but not establishment Democrats. I also threw in the bit about worship in a rhetorical flourish. I thought the info dump you initially provided was to refute the first claim, but it was evidently to refute the “worship” claim. You do realize that these posts don’t disappear, don’t you? [I said](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=16816621#post16816621), “Here are some links of MSNBC hosts discussing the drone problem in a less than worshipful way.” [You said](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16817358&postcount=73) in response,“If you want to deny that Rachel Maddow worships her idealized vision of Obama be my guest.” And now you’re trying to tell me that you had no idea I was disputing the “worshipful” part of your BS? You lost your credibility long ago, and now you’ve lost any pretense of being able to have an honest debate, however uninformed. Oh, one more thing: > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Obama’s drone program has killed thousands of innocent people. The number claimed by Pakistan is somewhat less: > **[In a Surprise, Pakistan Says Fewer Civilians Died by Drones (Published 2013)](https://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/31/world/asia/pakistan-drone-strikes.html?_r=0)** > > Pakistan sharply reduced its official estimate of civilian deaths caused by American drone strikes in the tribal belt, highlighting how contentious statistics are in the C.I.A.’s covert campaign. “The [Pakistani] Ministry of Defense released figures to lawmakers saying that 67 civilians were among 2,227 people killed in 317 drone strikes since 2008. The remainder of those killed were Islamist militants, the ministry said.” Husain Haqqani, a political opponent of Pakistani Prime Minister Sharif, was on Charlie Rose yesterday, and had a lot of criticism for him. But he endorsed that number of 67, so it’s evidently not just a cheap political lie from the government. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-apparently-really-likes-wikipedia/672621.md?page=6)