# Rand Paul Challenges Obama's NDAA Military Detention of US Citizens without Trial **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 10, 2015, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214 "2015-06-10T23:03:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214/21 "2015-06-11T06:12:52Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > That’s possible. It’s still a burning sack of crap, we just don’t know whose porch it’s on. I don’t see it as a burning sack of crap. The burning sack of crap was the original law. This proposal is pouring a cup of water on it. Sure, you still have a wet sack of crap on your porch, which is certainly not ideal. But putting out the fire was a clear improvement to the situation. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214/22 "2015-06-11T14:07:07Z")
> [@Willcross](#): > > I’m a democrat but I think Paul is the most palatable out of the GOP canidates. Well, that’s certainly damning with faint praise. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214/23 "2015-06-11T15:16:55Z")
> [@Renee](#): > > Agreed. This has been an outrageous government overreach, and I’m glad someone is finally making an issue of it. In addition to the whole “throw US citizens into the gulag without trial” bit, I must say (as I’ve done several times before) that I’m disturbed by Obama’s huge expansion of drone strikes. This is assassination, plain & simple, and it’s known that often people are targeted not due to any actual intelligence, but just because they fit some profile. Which makes it all the more ironic that he’s such a chicken when it comes to fighting ISIS. Maybe because there’s chance they might actually retalliate? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214/24 "2015-06-11T15:47:53Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I don’t see it as a burning sack of crap. The burning sack of crap was the original law. This proposal is pouring a cup of water on it. Sure, you still have a wet sack of crap on your porch, which is certainly not ideal. But putting out the fire was a clear improvement to the situation. This is a good description. Who would think indefinite detention without charges or trial would be a difficult political topic. Next up, congressional act to recommend against puppy kicking. Rand Paul introduces the bill, Lindsay Graham says he is going to kill you. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214/25 "2015-06-11T19:57:02Z")
[Moderating] I’ve banned the OP as a spammer, but since there seems to be some interest in the thread topic, I’m leaving it open for now. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214/26 "2015-06-11T21:43:04Z")
An issue in which I agree with liberals and Rand Paul…and fucking abhor the conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214/27 "2015-06-12T01:21:07Z")
Isn’t there already a clause in the NDAA that says something to the effect of “Nothing in here can be construed to restrict an American’s right to trial?” ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214/28 "2015-06-12T02:19:11Z")
I don’t know why I feel the need to say this in this thread, but this is exactly what John Cusack was referring to when he was quoted out of context saying Obama has been worse than Bush. And as far as I know, that’s correct. I don’t think Bush ever sent the military orders to kill American citizens. There. I feel better for having defended John Cusack against the unfair implication he made a blanket statement that “Obama has been worse than Bush.” Thanks for having me. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214/29 "2015-06-12T15:24:54Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Isn’t there already a clause in the NDAA that says something to the effect of “Nothing in here can be construed to restrict an American’s right to trial?” No. There were at least two amendments proposed that would have stripped that language from the 2014 reauthorization of the NDAA, but one was dropped and the other disappeared during reconciliation of the House and Senate versions. ---
**Author:** ![Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214/30 "2015-06-12T17:14:48Z")
It may be unrealistic to expect a sweet spot where Americans get to fuck over foreigners but don’t fuck over each other. Decisions, decisions, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214/31 "2015-06-12T17:27:59Z")
[QUOTE=munkles;18429272[Rand Paul’s Petition for his New Amendment…] ([http://randpaul.com/f/stop-indefinite-detention?sr=rhf061015c](http://randpaul.com/f/stop-indefinite-detention?sr=rhf061015c))\*\* [/QUOTE] You do realize that if you sign this petition, it isn’t going anywhere but Paul’s fundraisers who will then hector you for campaign contributions… right? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214/32 "2015-06-12T18:40:46Z")
You do realize that was the sole reason for the spam OP…right? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214/33 "2015-06-12T19:11:20Z")
I was right with the OP until the extraneous BS about the IRS targeting conservative political action groups. That piece crap Pubie talking point must have crept in after the final editing. It’s relationship to the rest of the rant is where? I assign most of the blame to the Supreme court conservatives abandoning there cherished originality interpretation schtick. (Not that they haven’t done that before). ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214/34 "2015-06-12T19:41:45Z")
> [@andros](#): > > You do realize that was the sole reason for the spam OP…right? Even though the moderators banned the spammer who posted this, I doubt he cares. He’s gotten his message out. I doubt he was ever going to return to the boards. I think they should have deleted the spam, or at least removed the links. BTW, where were all of these defenders of freedom when the Bush administration was trampling over the Constitution? (Although Rand Paul’s father voted against the Patriot Act; good for him.) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214/35 "2015-06-12T21:29:36Z")
> [@bup](#): > > I don’t think Bush ever sent the military orders to kill American citizens. That may be technically true. But he did order American citizens to go to places where they were killed. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2015, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214/36 "2015-06-13T08:57:46Z")
> [@andros](#): > > You do realize that was the sole reason for the spam OP…right? Well, sure. I know that now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-paul-challenges-obamas-ndaa-military-detention-of-us-citizens-without-trial/722214.md?page=1)