# Rand Rover: Ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 2, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055 "2009-03-02T20:33:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/41 "2009-03-02T23:54:09Z")
I urge us all to follow friend Rover’s advice. I foresee a beautiful shimmering world where _everyone_ is a tax lawyer. That way, we would _all_ be immune from redundancy, and the rigors of the current straitened financial environment. You can be sure that, should I lose my job, I will be retrained as one in a jiffy. If I fail to do so, it is nobody’s fault but mine. People, there is no such thing as society: we’re all individuals, and no individual really _needs_ developers and DBAs and garbage men and factory workers and bus drivers and nurses and farmers. I have a dream where we are all rolling around in coins like Scrooge McDuck, lawyering each other’s taxes. Come and join me in this vision of perfection. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/42 "2009-03-02T23:54:59Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > For example? That would require even more pages than “This is John Galt speaking.” ---
**Author:** ![ENugent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@ENugent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ENugent)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/43 "2009-03-02T23:55:06Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Although I don’t really give a shit if you guys believe me, if anyone can come up with a “tax lawyer test” I’ll take it. [Is this funny?](http://courtoons.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/monday-january-12-2009/) ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/44 "2009-03-02T23:59:19Z")
> [@ENugent](#): > > [Is this funny?](http://courtoons.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/monday-january-12-2009/) Nope. There’s absolutely nothing funny about 501(c)(4)s, the runty little brothers of 501(c)(3)s. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/45 "2009-03-03T00:00:42Z")
> [@ENugent](#): > > [Is this funny?](http://courtoons.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/monday-january-12-2009/) Sigh… I left a comment and misspelled my own name… ---
**Author:** ![anu-la1979](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/47e85d/32.png) [@anu-la1979](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anu-la1979)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/46 "2009-03-03T00:01:08Z")
> [@ENugent](#): > > [Is this funny?](http://courtoons.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/monday-january-12-2009/) Oh man, that is a hilarious site. Thank you. And on a seperate note, I shamefacedly admit to an overabundance of [clearlys](http://courtoons.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/clearly/) in my memos. I just went ahead and erased them with cheeks slightly flaming. ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/47 "2009-03-03T00:01:08Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > People, there is no such thing as society: we’re all individuals, and no individual really _needs_ developers and DBAs and garbage men and factory workers and bus drivers and nurses and farmers. I have a dream where we are all rolling around in coins like Scrooge McDuck, lawyering each other’s taxes. Come and join me in this vision of perfection. I’m with you, just because I laughed out loud, for real 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/48 "2009-03-03T00:12:08Z")
> [@anu-la1979](#): > > While you can take as many tax or bankruptcy classes as your school offers, you do not graduate with degrees in “tax law” or “bankruptcy law” at the J.D. level. That’s only possible at the LL.M. stage and I’ve never heard of anyone going straight to their LL.M after graduating with a J.D.. You have a comparative advantage if you summered with a tax firm, or you had a CPA/accounting background before you got to law school. > > So it’s nice and all that you claim you’re untouchable, but if you really are a lawyer then it’s likely you got the experience you did in tax law because some firm hired you and trained you up while the economy was good and there were no hiring freezes. So maybe you ought to rethink the “educate yourself” theme as a response to the job woes of other people, as there are plenty of graduates from elite business and law schools struggling right now because the economy is in the shitter and not because they didn’t take the time and effort to educate themselves to the point where they were immune from facing 2000 applicants for every 1 job available to them. Lots of tax people go straight to an LLM program after their JD. I didn’t though because I’m a badass. I’m not sure what your point is exactly. You act like every employer implements a hhiring freeze in all departments at the same time. People that are in high demand are alwyas in higher demand, even if overall demand is low. And before I had tax experience I had other kickass resume stuff like law review and order of the coif. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/49 "2009-03-03T00:18:25Z")
DNFTSDMBTaxLawyerGuest ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/50 "2009-03-03T00:48:51Z")
What I want to know is why he keeps calling a BlackBerry a “blackberry.” Shouldn’t an attorney and Great Brain like himself be familiar with the concept of trademark dilution? > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > … before I had tax experience I had other kickass resume stuff like law review and order of the **coif**. Ah, the [coif](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coif). Popular in Elizabethan England, where people knew what to do with a “man” like **Rand Rover** : “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.” - Shakespeare, _Henry VI_ And the dream of a utopian future lives on . . . ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/51 "2009-03-03T01:19:00Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Heh. A LOL-ing tax attorney. Heh. Why the hell does LOL get so much hate on this board? It’s the online generation’s “OK”; probably the most useful “word” invented in my lifetime. ---
**Author:** ![HongKongFooey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c4cdca/32.png) [@HongKongFooey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HongKongFooey)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/52 "2009-03-03T01:33:06Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Why the hell does LOL get so much hate on this board? It’s the online generation’s “OK”; probably the most useful “word” invented in my lifetime. It’s because some people think he’s after the lulz more than the LOLs, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/53 "2009-03-03T01:37:50Z")
Nah, LOL has been hated around here since before lulz were around. Since before 4chan was even around. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/54 "2009-03-03T01:39:14Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Nah, LOL has been hated around here since before lulz were around. Since before 4chan was even around. **HongKongFooey** was saying he’s a troll. ---
**Author:** ![HongKongFooey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c4cdca/32.png) [@HongKongFooey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HongKongFooey)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/55 "2009-03-03T01:41:01Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Nah, LOL has been hated around here since before lulz were around. Since before 4chan was even around. I didn’t read your post correctly, I thought you were referring to **Rand Rover**. I don’t why LOL is so frowned upon, I find it and all it’s variants really useful. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/56 "2009-03-03T01:42:25Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > **HongKongFooey** was saying he’s a troll. Oh. Carry on, then. I don’t know anything about Rand Rover. Don’t recall having seen the name before. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/57 "2009-03-03T01:59:32Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I’m not sure what your point is exactly. You act like every employer implements a hhiring freeze in all departments at the same time. People that are in high demand are alwyas in higher demand, even if overall demand is low. And before I had tax experience I had other kickass resume stuff like law review and order of the coif. I’m glad you’re well off and your job is secure. And you’re right…not everyone is equal. Some people are harder workers than others, have better educations than others, and have other traits that make them more employable. And you’re also right that if you’re laid off, it’s a good idea to get education or training to makle you more employable (that’s a good idea even if you’re not laid off). And of course, making bad decisions is never good. However, that being said, it really is the height of boorishness to kick someone when they’re down. there’s nothing wrong with suggesting to someone ways they can improve their lives, and even suggesting that their previous bad decisions led to their current situation, but if you’re going to do it, you need to do it with compassion. Otherwise, it just looks like you’re gloating about how much better your life is than theirs. I’m sure in real life you’re a compassionate person, but you have to realize that you’re not really coming off that way here. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/58 "2009-03-03T02:01:51Z")
> [@Lizard](#): > > What I want to know is why he keeps calling a BlackBerry a “blackberry.” Shouldn’t an attorney and Great Brain like himself be familiar with the concept of trademark dilution? Probably because he doesn’t have any more reason than I do to care about whether blackberry’s trademark is diluted. Your comment makes no sense. I don’t see any reason to doubt that Rand Rover is a tax lawyer. A young and naive tax lawyer I suspect, but I don’t see anything about him not compatible with him being what he says he is. ---
**Author:** ![Camus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ba8739/32.png) [@Camus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Camus)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/59 "2009-03-03T02:08:39Z")
There is no profession more vain, more self-aggrandizing, and more worthy of contempt than lawyers (other than some types of doctors). But as it applies to **RR** , while he may be very proud of himself indeed, very few children grow up dreaming of becoming a tax attorney. Why? Because it’s BORING. You may rake in the dough, but at the end of his life, I sincerely doubt he could claim that he made the world a better place because of what he did for a living. Even Ayn Rand could have tried to make that claim by writing her novels. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/60 "2009-03-03T02:09:22Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Ask any legal recruiter, they hate trying to fill tax positions. We are the few and the proud. I suspect they hate filling tax positions mainly because of the type of people who are attracted to the field (assuming you are a representative example). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055.md?page=4)