# Rand Rover: Ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 2, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055 "2009-03-02T20:33:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/121 "2009-03-03T14:29:30Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > Well, Ale said Suggesting, I think, that an ideal world according to Ayn Rand would probably not include a tax system that required tax lawyers. I have only read Atlas Shrugged, but based on that I don’t think she would consider you to be producing anything. Slinging fast food, on the other hand… I give advice to people that produce things so they can produce more things. So my work does directly result in the increased production of things. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/122 "2009-03-03T14:36:40Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I give advice to people that produce things so they can produce more things. So my work does directly result in the increased production of things. I’m glad you’ve got that all worked out in your mind. Your concept of “directly” seems a bit sloppy to me, but if that makes you happy, go with it. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/123 "2009-03-03T14:39:10Z")
> [@Duke](#): > > Dude, you are the one who is bragging about how many hours he works. Not us. You are the one who couldn’t wait to get home yesterday, not so he could see his wife and kid, but so he could slag us more. Not us. > > You are the one who’s attacked our lifestyles. But you can’t seem to take what you dish out. God, you are just full of :rolleyes: today. Don’t flatter yourself by thinking you’ve gotten to me. I was just pointing out that your continuance of this offshoot of the “myth of the noble poor” (i.e., that people who work hard have bad home lives) is idiotic. And the way you twist what Iakve posted to attempt to support your shitty argument is really sad. To reiterate, that’s fine if you’ve chosen to make less money than you could because you think that’s the best course of action for you, but it doesn’t mean I’m a slave to my job or ignore my family or just make money to support wasteful spending, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/124 "2009-03-03T14:51:59Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > :eek: and :o > > I didn’t see that. Sorry. If it’s still open, then let me think some more about the new terms. The $250k number is important to me (because that’s how Obama sold the plan), so if it is hard to get data for people above and below that exact number, then I may not be interested in the bet anymore. Thanks for following up. Let me see what I can dig up and I’ll get back to you. I’m still interested in the bet. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/125 "2009-03-03T14:57:04Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > directly I don’t think that word means what you think it means. Ayn would be so disappointed in you. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/126 "2009-03-03T15:12:14Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I give advice to people that produce things so they can produce more things. So my work does directly result in the increased production of things. Really? So how many of the steel workers in the plant across town are you advising? The average person can’t afford a tax attorney. In fact, unless you’re working for H&R Block, I’d bet your average client is [the type of person/company they’re talking about here](http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/foreign-tax-havens-targeted-in-us-bills/?scp=4&sq=tax%20shelters&st=cse). I wonder if all the tax attorneys involved _there_ are telling themselves they give advice “to people that produce things.” Oh wait: > [@](#): > > A thriving business in tax evasion developed in recent years on Wall Street among consulting firms, hedge funds and other elite financial players. Since many of the people who work in those areas mentioned are either unemployed now or most definitely “on the government teat,” may we assume your broad contempt for the less fortunate includes some of your own clients? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/127 "2009-03-03T15:12:25Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > I don’t think that word means what you think it means. > > Ayn would be so disappointed in you. ☹ :rolleyes: at the substance of this post and your motivation for pisting it. ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/128 "2009-03-03T15:13:37Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > :rolleyes: I work my ass off during the week so I can have the weekends generally free to spend with the most beautiful young creature that has ever pooped on planet earth. So, you’re saying the milkman was her father? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/129 "2009-03-03T15:14:47Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > So my work does directly result in the increased production of things. Yeah, I appreciate the fact that the janitors clean up my cans of Diet Coke so I don’t have to. That leaves me more time to … you know … actually create things. Thanks, dude! ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/130 "2009-03-03T15:21:31Z")
Must be your attantion of details that makes you worth the big bucks: > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > LOL. The fact that you think smeone is touting their importance by saying they have a blackberry shows the level you operate on. > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > NB: i work on deals and don’t do returns, so no questions about home ofice deductions etc., ypou should instead ask about reorgs and 338(h)(10)s and fund structures and FIRPTA etc. > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I’m not sure what your point is exactly. You act like every employer implements a hhiring freeze in all departments at the same time. People that are in high demand are alwyas in higher demand, even if overall demand is low. > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > But if it makes you feel better to think that everyone that is more successful thajn you has a bad relationship with ther kids as a result, then keep on trucking and I feel even more sorry for you than I already did. > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > And the way you twist what Iakve posted to attempt to support your shitty argument is really sad. And lighten up a bit. One day mommy and daddy will see you as a success, or at least less of a failure. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/131 "2009-03-03T15:25:51Z")
I must admit, I get serious giggles when I think about the concept of a Rand-style Libertarian _tax lawyer_. What really makes it over the top is that **Rand Rover** doesn’t seem to understand why it’s so funny. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/132 "2009-03-03T15:30:22Z")
I suspect his typing is so bad because he’s breastfeeding while driving and using his new Blackberry. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/133 "2009-03-03T15:31:25Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > :rolleyes: at the substance of this post and your motivation for pisting it. Well, my motivation is purely to mock you for your profound misunderstanding of either Rand or exactly what it is you claim to do for a living. Ya know, for funsies. What do you have against fun? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/134 "2009-03-03T15:38:04Z")
> [@Pine\_Fresh\_Scent](#): > > I was going to write that the AV Club has better trolls when I remembered Herbert Kornfeld (R.I.P.). I will picture **Rand Rover** with a moustache and tie from now on whenever I read his posts. Hey, waitaminute… Rand Rover: [“…I’m a badass”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10896198&postcount=48) Herbert Kornfeld: [“I Am a Bad Ass”](http://members.tripod.com/~Centre16/comedy/badass.html) (Non-Onion link, since they don’t have this one online anymore [_booooo!_]. Link goes to a shoddy mirror site, but it’ll have to do). Hmmmm… ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/135 "2009-03-03T15:38:46Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > I must admit, I get serious giggles when I think about the concept of a Rand-style Libertarian _tax lawyer_. > > What really makes it over the top is that **Rand Rover** doesn’t seem to understand why it’s so funny. I’m beginning to wonder if I went to law school with young Mr. Rover. We had a transfer student, who would do incredibly irritating things like take a social security law class, and spend the whole first lecture complaining to the professor that social security was unconstitutional, and should be abolished. All well and good, a legitimate (though somewhat crazy) viewpoint. But do it on your own freaking time, not when people are taking a class to learn social security law… Anyway, I digress. Said student would also entire into a tizzy any time federal authority was mentioned, treating us to a diatribe on states’ rights. Which don’t exist, as he was repeatedly shown. The parallels are pretty clear between the two of them. But this person wasn’t either on law review or a member of the Order of the Coif, so assuming Mr. Rover is not telling fibs, they can’t be the same person. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/136 "2009-03-03T15:58:46Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Thanks for taking the time to say all this. And I believe you are right that I’m a better person IRL than online (but then again I would think that, wouldn’t I?). > > I’ve been trying to discover why I"m kind of a turkey online sometimes and here’s what I’ve discovered: the hard part about my job is not so much reaching the right conclusion but knowing that the conclusion I’ve reached is right and remaining steadfast in that belief. I make judgment calls all day, and it’s very easy to second-guess myself (and I’ve got other lawyers in my firm and various other people I deal with willing to second guess every thing I do). And then there’s the ultimate second guesser in DC willing to bitch slap me if it comes to that. So, maybe I up the self-aggrandizement from time to time on the SDMB as a way to pump myself up in a venue where there are essentially no consequences to being wrong. > Can I get some ((((hugz ))))) now please? ☹🙂 Dude - find a different hobby. I, too, work in a job where people are second-guessing my analysis and recommendations, and yeah, I come to the SDMB to chill during the day - but you know what I do? I revel in the joy of geeky conversation with folks who either sharing my passions and know the geeky jargon, or at the very least appreciate the joy of geekiness. I mean, life is interesting! I enjoy coming here and getting reminded of that while I have my head down. And yeah, good for you for picking a career that, given our current capitalistic leanings is likely to be necessary forever. In a near term “I must provide for my family” sort of way, you have a form of steady job - in Asia, it is often referred to as a “iron rice bowl” - you have one; yay you. But, I must say, my job is to do the deals that involve deal lawyers - I hire folks like you. While you all bring necessary expertise and project management skills, you don’t sit at the grownups’ table when it comes to decision-making; you must know this, right? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/137 "2009-03-03T16:21:53Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Dude - find a different hobby. I, too, work in a job where people are second-guessing my analysis and recommendations, and yeah, I come to the SDMB to chill during the day - but you know what I do? I revel in the joy of geeky conversation with folks who either sharing my passions and know the geeky jargon, or at the very least appreciate the joy of geekiness. I mean, life is interesting! I enjoy coming here and getting reminded of that while I have my head down. > > And yeah, good for you for picking a career that, given our current capitalistic leanings is likely to be necessary forever. In a near term “I must provide for my family” sort of way, you have a form of steady job - in Asia, it is often referred to as a “iron rice bowl” - you have one; yay you. But, I must say, my job is to do the deals that involve deal lawyers - I hire folks like you. While you all bring necessary expertise and project management skills, you don’t sit at the grownups’ table when it comes to decision-making; you must know this, right? Thanks for contributing to the constructive portion of this thread. Like you, I also enjoy other aspects of the SDMB besides the pit, so maybe I will try to concentrate on those. Maybe the new pit rules will be good for me (but so far it’s just prompted me to think of more creative insults). I very much know I don’t make business decisions, and I have no interest in doing so. I make money whether the deal is ultimately successful or not. Sure I make less than the bankers, fund people, etc when the economy’s rolling, but many of them are in the shitter now while I’m still working. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/138 "2009-03-03T16:28:11Z")
You may be the first man ever to lie upon his deathbed wishing he had spent more time at the office. ---
**Author:** ![katie1341](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/91b2a8/32.png) [@katie1341](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katie1341)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/139 "2009-03-03T16:52:47Z")
I wonder who Rover is billing for all of the time that he’s posting today… ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-ass/488055/140 "2009-03-03T17:17:56Z")
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