# Rand Rover, you want to associate with us? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 30, 2009, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734 "2009-07-30T01:09:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/121 "2009-07-30T22:54:15Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Yeesh. The idea that my views on the proper role of the US federal government have any bearing on my ability to split a restaurant tab is completely ludicrous. It’s certainly unsupported by the available evidence. And I think the initial idea wasn’t based on your _ability_ so much as your _willingness_ or your _inclination_ to do so. Another proposition that has not been supported by available evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/122 "2009-07-30T23:10:55Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Honestly, though, all kidding aside, it’s more than that. The above is fare for GD. You express your views mostly in the Pit, and mostly in a much more inflammatory and often personal way than that. You present yourself as someone who really doesn’t care much for the well-being of other people, esp. those less fortunate than you are. It’s that Randian “I got mine because I’m the best; if you don’t have what I have, you must be a fucking loser” attitude, I think. That, combined with your utter inability to admit you’re wrong, and your tendency to degenerate into ad hominem at the slightest provocation, combined with the fact that you claim this is all a bullshit put on joke for you and you love that we hate you… well, is it any surprise that no one is jumping at the idea of having dinner with you? > > Even the people I’ve disagreed with quite strenuously in the Pit, like Miller, I have a sense of who he is outside of that. I would not be worried about what I was going to get if I met him IRL, because I’m pretty sure he’s all right. With you? There’s a chance that you’re like the persona you present here (“here” being almost exclusively the Pit), and it seems that most people aren’t all that interested in meeting that guy. > > Not saying you should care, or anything. Just saying, if you want to meet people from here for a beer, you could try being a little bit more, I don’t know, well-rounded in how you present yourself? Or just keep on with your bad self, since you find it so hilarious, but then don’t wonder why no one will have a beer with you. So much mischaracterization and sheer lunacy in this post. Look, you don’t like me. Why not just leave it at that? Why do you have to misrepresent my views and mischaracterize what I’ve said? How does that solve anything? Just sit there and not like me if you want to, no skin off my dick. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/123 "2009-07-30T23:20:36Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > So much mischaracterization and sheer lunacy in this post. Look, you don’t like me. Why not just leave it at that? Why do you have to misrepresent my views and mischaracterize what I’ve said? How does that solve anything? Just sit there and not like me if you want to, no skin off my dick. I’m just telling you the impression I’ve gotten from you. Apparently a few other people have gotten it too. You may feel mischaracterized, but “sheer lunacy”? I don’t think so. I’m trying to be honest with you. You’ve been a pretty huge dick to me with only the most minor provocation, and yet I’m still maintaining a relatively polite demeanor and trying to explain to you where the hostility is coming from. You do tend to kill the messenger of any idea or argument you don’t like. I expect you to start in on how fat I am right soon. So, go ahead. Take it personally, freak out, call me names, etc. Ignore what I’m saying, I don’t care all that much. Just don’t wonder why no one wants to go to your DopeFest. This reaction right here? This is why. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/124 "2009-07-30T23:23:48Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > So much mischaracterization and sheer lunacy in this post. Look, you don’t like me. Why not just leave it at that? Why do you have to misrepresent my views and mischaracterize what I’ve said? How does that solve anything? Just sit there and not like me if you want to, no skin off my dick. Seems that quite a lot of people are reading your posts and coming to the same incorrect conclusions about you. Might want to consider the possibility that you aren’t coming across the way you think you’re coming across. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/125 "2009-07-30T23:41:51Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > I’m just telling you the impression I’ve gotten from you. Apparently a few other people have gotten it too. You may feel mischaracterized, but “sheer lunacy”? I don’t think so. I’m trying to be honest with you. You’ve been a pretty huge dick to me with only the most minor provocation, and yet I’m still maintaining a relatively polite demeanor and trying to explain to you where the hostility is coming from. You do tend to kill the messenger of any idea or argument you don’t like. I expect you to start in on how fat I am right soon. > > So, go ahead. Take it personally, freak out, call me names, etc. Ignore what I’m saying, I don’t care all that much. Just don’t wonder why no one wants to go to your DopeFest. This reaction right here? This is why. You are right that it’s your impression–doesnt mean it has shit-all to do with what I’ve actually said. Also, when have I expressed anything approaching wonder that “no one wants to go to my dopefest”? Also, it wouldn’t be “my” dopefest, and several people have expressed interest in going, so you are full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/126 "2009-07-30T23:46:35Z")
Being a Randian is one thing – being someone who uses it as an excuse to get personal and make some of the nastiest, most hateful remarks about individuals is quite another. I’d rather wear a Browns jersey to Heinz Stadium than attend a Dopefest with you. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/127 "2009-07-30T23:47:14Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > OK, I just don’t want Rand Rover taking credit for it. FWIW, I think that your posts generated the most responses in that thread, so its success is largely due to the fact that everyone finds your views fascinating, though your modesty is rather gracious. Uh, ok… > [@](#): > > Of course, maybe such concerns are ridiculous, and nothing he says here about his attitude towards his and other people’s money would be relevant WRT a shared bill situation. However, what you post and the persona you form here could legitimately influence people’s desire to meet with you and share dinner with you, esp. if they’ve been burned in such situations before. Are you talking to **RR** or me here?? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/128 "2009-07-30T23:49:01Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Seems that quite a lot of people are reading your posts and coming to the same incorrect conclusions about you. Might want to consider the possibility that you aren’t coming across the way you think you’re coming across. Right. Liberal douches don’t like other people that aren’t liberal douches, film at 11. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/129 "2009-07-30T23:49:35Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You are right that it’s your impression–doesnt mean it has shit-all to do with what I’ve actually said. It doesn’t? You don’t post mostly in the Pit? You don’t revel in people here disliking you? You don’t resort to ad hominem attacks at the slightest provocation? You don’t express an idea that people who make less money than you are losers? Please, tell me where I’m so very wrong about you. I’m not seeing it. > [@](#): > > Also, when have I expressed anything approaching wonder that “no one wants to go to my dopefest”? Also, it wouldn’t be “my” dopefest, and several people have expressed interest in going, so you are full of shit. Yeah, well, you said you didn’t want to go because no one you had interacted with was going. Do you wonder why that was? Maybe you don’t care, but here come the insults, right on schedule. I’m full of shit, but you’re the poor victim here. Right. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/130 "2009-07-30T23:51:52Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Are you talking to **RR** or me here?? Rand Rover. > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Right. Liberal douches don’t like other people that aren’t liberal douches, film at 11. I’m friends with several board members who are openly conservative. I’m the only liberal in my entire family, but we all get along just fine. Maybe the reason I like them and don’t like you is because they aren’t assholes. I don’t know, worth considering? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/131 "2009-07-31T00:08:19Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Yeah, well, you said you didn’t want to go because no one you had interacted with was going. Do you wonder why that was? Maybe you don’t care, but here come the insults, right on schedule. I’m full of shit, but you’re the poor victim here. Right. Ha, this is great. You said I expressed wonder, I then showed you that I hadn’t, and you then back off it and hem and haw about irrelevancies. I could do this to each of your other mischaracterizations if I had the time or the inclination, but it would do any good. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/132 "2009-07-31T00:15:33Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Ha, this is great. You said I expressed wonder, I then showed you that I hadn’t, and you then back off it and hem and haw about irrelevancies. I could do this to each of your other mischaracterizations if I had the time or the inclination, but it would do any good. You don’t wonder about it? You don’t give a shit? Good. Because it really seems like we’re hurting your poor little feelings, and it’s upsetting you when it’s pointed out why. I doubt you could do this to my other so-called “mischaracterizations,” because many of them are just simple facts, like which forum you spend the most time in, and your attitude towards being so disliked. Those are documentable, as is the fact that most people here don’t like you. You can’t have it both ways. Either you don’t care what we think and it’s all a joke, or it pisses you off and upsets you. Seems like the latter is true from how you’re reacting to my words. That’s incompatible with not caring. If you care, you might read what I said about why people feel this way. Or maybe you think you can be as much of a jerk as you want, but still have people like you. Surely you know it doesn’t work that way. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/133 "2009-07-31T00:16:44Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Right. Liberal douches don’t like other people that aren’t liberal douches, film at 11. That might be meaningful, if I felt the same way about all other conservative members of this board that I feel about you. However, to name two examples off the top of my head, I don’t dislike **Bricker** , who is neither liberal, nor a douche. Nor do I dislike **magellan01** , who is… well, he’s no liberal, that’s for certain. Now, it’s certainly true that there are a number of people on this board who reflexively dislike anyone whose politics differ from their own. However, they are not the whole of this board. Certainly, as a percentage of a whole, they seem to form a much smaller party than the percentage of posters who think you’re an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/134 "2009-07-31T00:25:06Z")
Hey guys! Who’s interested in seeing **Rubystreak** emote, at length, for another eight pages about how her butt doesn’t feel too good and that’s why she’s not going to hang out with **Rand Rover**? Look, toots, go or don’t go. No need to rationalize it for us–nobody gives that big a shit either way. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/135 "2009-07-31T00:38:07Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > Hey guys! Who’s interested in seeing **Rubystreak** emote, at length, for another eight pages about how her butt doesn’t feel too good and that’s why she’s not going to hang out with **Rand Rover**? > > Look, toots, go or don’t go. No need to rationalize it for us–nobody gives that big a shit either way. Who the fuck are you again? Did I do something to you? There was never an issue of me going or not going. I’m just taking this opportunity to express my opinion on RR. Just like you express your opinion about me. How’s your butt feeling? I think FinnAgain’s teeth marks are still visible. I think it’s ironic as hell that Rand Rover, when he decided he didn’t like me, followed me into 2 other threads to post about it, but 3 posts from me and it’s already “Look, you don’t like me. Why not just leave it at that?” You couldn’t leave it at that when it was your bone to pick. Hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/136 "2009-07-31T00:39:11Z")
This place used to be a fun place where nice people would hang out and chat. It’s really not any more. I don’t know why I still drop by. It just leaves me with a mild sense of depression and irritation, like sandpaper in my boxers. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/137 "2009-07-31T00:44:25Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > I’m just taking this opportunity to express my opinion on RR. Just like you express your opinion about me. And I’m just expressing my opinion that your opinion that **RR** will stick your average low-rent Doper will the bill, because he is sympathetic to the philosophy of Ayn Rand, is asinine. And it’s made all the more intolerable since you adopt this goofy, “disappointed guidance counselor” way of expressing it. > [@](#): > > How’s your butt feeling? I think FinnAgain’s teeth marks are still visible. Honestly. That’s the last time I give _him_ $80 for a rimjob. > [@](#): > > I think it’s ironic as hell that Rand Rover, when he decided he didn’t like me, followed me into 2 other threads to post about it, but 3 posts from me and it’s already “Look, you don’t like me. Why not just leave it at that?” You couldn’t leave it at that when it was your bone to pick. Hypocrite. lol wut? Get some friends? I don’t know what to tell you. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/138 "2009-07-31T00:50:35Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > And I’m just expressing my opinion that your opinion that **RR** will stick your average low-rent Doper will the bill, because he is sympathetic to the philosophy of Ayn Rand, is asinine. And it’s made all the more intolerable since you adopt this goofy, “disappointed guidance counselor” way of expressing it. It’s not my opinion, it’s gaffa’s. I’ve already said that I would go to a DopeFest if he was there if it were local and I were otherwise inclined to go, or didn’t you read that part before you decided to give me shit? I just don’t like the asshole, and I think it’s funny how pissed off he gets when people tell him so, though he claims he doesn’t care. > [@](#): > > Honestly. That’s the last time I give _him_ $80 for a rimjob. I LOLed > [@](#): > > lol wut? Get some friends? I don’t know what to tell you. Sorry. lol wut no u right back atcha. I have no idea what you’re talking about here, Kimmy baby. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/139 "2009-07-31T00:56:28Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > This place used to be a fun place where nice people would hang out and chat. It’s really not any more. I don’t know why I still drop by. It just leaves me with a mild sense of depression and irritation, like sandpaper in my boxers. Take the sandpaper outta yer boxers, you tosser! 🙂 I like my neighbor who is as conservative as them come. He’s pro-gun, anti-Obama, anti-Democrat and bigoted. But he’s sweet and gentle to my kids, loves cats, and we talk gardening over the fence. I’d have (I’ve had) a beer with him. It’s not because he’s conservative that I won’t meet up with **RR**. It’s his abrasive personality (and my time and money constraints at present). YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734/140 "2009-07-31T01:06:35Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Who the fuck are you again? Did I do something to you? There was never an issue of me going or not going. I’m just taking this opportunity to express my opinion on RR. Just like you express your opinion about me. How’s your butt feeling? I think FinnAgain’s teeth marks are still visible. Hey, look, if you are going to go around misrepresenting the views of other posters and using your own views to distort their opinions, you probably shouldn’t be surprised when people call you on it. Now go get some triple paste on that rotten sphincter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rover-you-want-to-associate-with-us/504734.md?page=8)