# Rand Rover's a non-tipping, SUV-driving, Republican, picky-eater fatty who hovers over toilet seats **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 12, 2010, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259 "2010-03-12T17:06:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![adhay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@adhay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhay)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/121 "2010-03-16T15:46:58Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Don’t project your nonsense onto me - I meant what I said I meant. … > > Regards, > Shodan :smack: And here I was thinking we were in total agreement. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/122 "2010-03-16T15:49:47Z")
> [@adhay](#): > > :smack: And here I was thinking we were in total agreement. Perhaps you can agree on the definition of enchilada. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/123 "2010-03-16T16:23:47Z")
Can anyone offer definitive proof that “middle class values” are causative in regard to prosperity, or are they the pretensions that are afforded by prosperity? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/124 "2010-03-16T16:34:18Z")
> [@adhay](#): > > Can’t get anything by you, can I **RR**? > > I am not lampooning the middle-class values which thru most of the 2nd half of the 20th century brought prosperity to many. How does a fat guy drinking Coors light out of a can while watching NASCAR bring prosperity to anyone? > [@The Facts](#): > > Yes, cause all the billionaire arms dealers make sure to get themselves profiled in forbes. Maybe you can provide a link to the list of secret billionares? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/125 "2010-03-16T16:42:56Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Can anyone offer definitive proof that “middle class values” are causative in regard to prosperity, or are they the pretensions that are afforded by prosperity? You want a cite that (1) people who believe hard work is good are more likely to work hard and (2) people who work hard are more likely to be prosperous than people who don’t? Seems to me those are fairly self-evident propositions. Also seems to me that your enchilada may have finally un-rolled if you think you really need a cite for them. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/126 "2010-03-16T16:46:58Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You want a cite that (1) people who believe hard work is good are more likely to work hard and (2) people who work hard are more likely to be prosperous than people who don’t? > > Seems to me those are fairly self-evident propositions. Also seems to me that your enchilada may have finally un-rolled if you think you really need a cite for them. Hard work is only admirable as long as you aren’t successful at it. ---
**Author:** ![adhay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@adhay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhay)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/127 "2010-03-16T16:57:13Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Can anyone offer definitive proof that “middle class values” are causative in regard to prosperity, or are they the pretensions that are afforded by prosperity? You raise an interesting point. One could easily argue that the MC was pretty much composed of materialistic assholes who were content to show up at mind numbing jobs, send their children to mind numbing schools and regale themselves in time with canned laughter in front of mind numbing “entertainment” while priding themselves on owning bigger cars and houses than their neighbors, all wrapped up in racist sentiment and conservative social and religious self-righteousness. This was made possible and fostered by New Deal corporate and banking regulations from the New Deal era. Deregulation over the past 30 years has left (what’s left of) the MC high and dry. There are three kinds of people: those who make things happen, those who watch what happens and those left wondering, WTF happened? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/128 "2010-03-16T17:07:42Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > God, you are retarded. [Right here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12225497&postcount=91) \*\*adhay \*\*says something cheeky, and then you go and agree with it? Yes, and I even wasted some time explaining it. But, of course, it sailed right over your head, so you could get right to spouting back all the self-justifying garbage that the poverty pimps have been trying to put over for lo, these many years. I await your cite where I said there was something “wrong” with blacks because they didn’t become wealthy overnight. > [@](#): > > Saying this values are beneficial to getting out of poverty is NOT the same thing as saying all people who are not impoverished have these values. Well, then isn’t it fortunate that I didn’t say that “all people who are not impoverished have these values”? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![adhay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@adhay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhay)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/129 "2010-03-16T17:09:08Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > How does a fat guy drinking Coors light out of a can while watching NASCAR bring prosperity to anyone?.. And where would Coors and NASCAR be without him? Sounds a little elitist to me. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/130 "2010-03-16T17:17:25Z")
Adhay, looks like you still haven’t figured out WTF happened. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/131 "2010-03-16T17:32:23Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Yes, and I even wasted some time explaining it. But, of course, it sailed right over your head, so you could get right to spouting back all the self-justifying garbage that the poverty pimps have been trying to put over for lo, these many years. > > I await your cite where I said there was something “wrong” with blacks because they didn’t become wealthy overnight. > Well, then isn’t it fortunate that I didn’t say that “all people who are not impoverished have these values”? > > Regards, > Shodan No, you aren’t honest enough to say it. You insinuate it. Because you’re a toxic bucket of shit. Also, I need to spend more time at the poverty pimps. I got’s me the itch for some poverty. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/132 "2010-03-16T17:37:37Z")
Nice Lobo–you think Shodan is a racist based on what you think he is insinuating. I think it’s fairly apparent which of you is the toxic bucket of shit (here, let me help you decipher my insinuation: you are the toxic bucket of shit). ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kearsen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/133 "2010-03-16T17:40:41Z")
The solution seems simple then. If everyone agrees that a change in values will get poor people into the middle class, why are we still subsidizing the poor’s bad decisions to stand pat with the values they obviously hold (and are wrong)? ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/134 "2010-03-16T17:42:08Z")
God, this thread now has a race pimp and a poverty pimp; all we need is an obesity pimp and we’ll have written _Precious_, the sequel. ---
**Author:** ![adhay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@adhay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhay)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/135 "2010-03-16T17:43:45Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Adhay, looks like you still haven’t figured out WTF happened. Well. I wasn’t going to point fingers but, if you don’t mind my saying so, _you_ fit the bill. Only thing is, you don’t know you don’t know, hence all your foolishness. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/136 "2010-03-16T17:46:40Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Yes, and I even wasted some time explaining it. But, of course, it sailed right over your head, so you could get right to spouting back all the self-justifying garbage that the poverty pimps have been trying to put over for lo, these many years. You’re really going to play this game? Nobody claimed you actually want to take large rounds of black people and send them off to middle-class camp. Here’s what happened: [ul] [li]You say black people are poor because of their behaviors, or behaviors of their parents[/li][li]adhay snarks, “Yeah! We gave 'em the vote fairly recently and everything, so what’s wrong with them? Maybe we should send them to middle-class camp!”[/li][li]You agree. (No, no one said literally)[/li][li]Accusations of racism ensue, yadda yadda, you claim not to be racist, so I ask what’s up with the training course post then?[/li][li]You go on to explain your definition of “school,” (which of course is not the same as sending people off to white camp) and stand by your contention that black people need to go to it. [/li][li]I say, “Yes, yes, changes in behavior and ethos will improver one’s environment; that’s not why people are calling you a racist. You sound like a racist when you agree that there’s something ‘wrong’ with black people because they haven’t figured out what is taught in middle class school.” [/li][li]You do some song and dance about how you don’t agree with what you said you agree with.[/li][/ul] > [@](#): > > I await your cite where I said there was something “wrong” with blacks because they didn’t become wealthy overnight. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Well, then isn’t it fortunate that I didn’t say that “all people who are not impoverished have these values”? > > Regards, > Shodan You said this: “Saying ‘these values will get you out of poverty, but they are rubbish and I deny them’ just shows you up as an idiot” even though that was not what I was saying. I was saying this: “I didn’t say the values themselves were rubbish; I said your claim of the importance of hard work being a part of something you call “middle-class values” is rubbish.” Clarified it for you and all, but you ignored it, because you’re a dishonest fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kearsen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/137 "2010-03-16T17:49:04Z")
FTR, most fucks are dishonest otherwise it would be referred to as making love… ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/138 "2010-03-16T17:52:16Z")
Oh, it’s quite possible to be honest about that kind of thing. And fun! ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kearsen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/139 "2010-03-16T17:58:01Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Oh, it’s quite possible to be honest about that kind of thing. And fun! It is hard to imagine such things coming from someone with your handle, but I’m trying! ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259/140 "2010-03-16T18:00:32Z")
> [@adhay](#): > > Well. I wasn’t going to point fingers but, if you don’t mind my saying so, _you_ fit the bill. Only thing is, you don’t know you don’t know, hence all your foolishness. Yeah, I know, it’s sad. Here I am, working hard due to my belief that hard work leads to prosperity, when it turns out that my success is just due to pure dumb look. Wish I would have known when I was 18 that I’d be making what I am now due to pure dumb luck–I could have saved all that time in school. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rand-rovers-a-non-tipping-suv-driving-republican-picky-eater-fatty-who-hovers-over-toilet-seats/532259.md?page=8)