# Randi fans and detractors - who are the more virulently obsessed? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 17, 2007, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281 "2007-01-17T01:35:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/1 "2007-01-17T01:35:13Z")
The OP says it all really. Even though this is strictly speaking a GD or GQ or perhaps IMHO, I think we can take a guess where this is going to end up, so I thought I’d save the mods time. Now, could anyone wishing to discuss this question please post here, and GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY GD THREAD BEFORE IT GETS LOCKED THUS ENDING THE OP IN WHICH I AM FUCKING INTERESTED? HOW THE FUCK MANY MOD WARNINGS IS IT GOING TO TAKE YOU DIPSHITS? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/2 "2007-01-17T01:39:02Z")
I was warned by a mod? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/3 "2007-01-17T01:42:45Z")
What is a Randi, and what does it cost to operate? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/4 "2007-01-17T01:44:02Z")
About a million but you never have to pay up. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/5 "2007-01-17T01:45:18Z")
Cisco, not personally but see post #97. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/6 "2007-01-17T02:39:31Z")
[QUOTE=Princhester] HOW THE FUCK MANY MOD WARNINGS IS IT GOING TO TAKE YOU DIPSHITS? [/QUOTE] How many roads must a man walk down Before you call him a man? Yes, ‘n’ how many seas must a white dove sail Before she sleeps in the sand? Yes, ‘n’ how many times must the cannon balls fly Before they’re forever banned? The answer, my friend, is blowin’ in the wind, The answer is blowin’ in the wind. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/7 "2007-01-17T02:43:27Z")
Oh. I thought the answer depended on the volume of chocolate and beer one paid in tribute. ---
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/8 "2007-01-17T04:32:54Z")
[Linkety-link](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=403756) for those who are interested. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/9 "2007-01-17T04:51:55Z")
The OP’er appears to have a problem with distinguising opinions from facts. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/10 "2007-01-17T05:23:33Z")
[QUOTE=Lute Skywatcher] The OP’er appears to have a problem with distinguising opinions from facts. [/QUOTE] Does he? I admit it’s a thinly-veiled atack on Peter Morris, but he’s as deserving a target for ridicule as I’ve ever seen. Well, he’s tied with pseudotron, badchad, lissener, lekatt, Aeschines… ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/11 "2007-01-17T05:36:52Z")
Well Lute, it’s like this. In a couple of posts you stated something as a premise, and based an argument on it in GD. You phrased your premise as something you “thought” or as being your “opinion”. I challenged your premise, and asked for cites. You then whinged that these premises were only your opinion or what you thought and that they were (you said) therefore not an appropriate subject for a demand for citation. If you don’t want your opinions to be treated as facts, don’t use them as premises for your arguments. Arguments based on premises comprising your unsupportable thoughts or opinions, and which you back away from the second you are called on them, are of no value whatever. It’s GD, not IMHO or MPSIMS. Grow up. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/12 "2007-01-17T05:43:57Z")
Actually \*\*Bryan \*\* you entirely misread. The argument that the other side is obsessed is valueless. Period. I say that as a critique of all who indulge in it (including myself in the past). And \*\*Lute’s \*\* post is not about what you think it’s about. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/13 "2007-01-17T05:48:15Z")
Nevertheless I stand by my possibly irrelevant comment. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/14 "2007-01-17T06:25:11Z")
[QUOTE=Princhester] If you don’t want your opinions to be treated as facts, don’t use them as premises for your arguments. [/QUOTE] See, that’s where you went wrong. I wasn’t trying to argue anything, just answering the questions that were posed. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/15 "2007-01-17T06:28:49Z")
**Peter Morris** keeps asking the same question over and over again [in this thread over in Great Debates](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8160272&postcount=175) , even though he has been given the answer over and over again by other people on another board. He presents a false choice between: A. Mr. Randi is telling the truth and B. Mr. Randi is deliberately lying. The trouble is, **Peter Morris** damn well knows the _real_ answer is of course: C. Mr. Randi made a minor _mistake_ in his statement, and _corrected_ his statement on the other board. **Peter Morris** is fully aware of both the minor error and the correction, which means that the only lies being told when it comes to this dilemma are being told by **Peter Morris**. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/16 "2007-01-17T06:28:54Z")
[QUOTE=Lute Skywatcher] See, that’s where you went wrong. I wasn’t trying to argue anything, just answering the questions that were posed. [/QUOTE] You are aware that you were posting in Great _Debates_, right? And not IMHO? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/17 "2007-01-17T06:32:59Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] You are aware that you were posting in Great _Debates_, right? And not IMHO? [/QUOTE] Of course. I can’t debate worth shit, which is why I mainly stay out of there. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/18 "2007-01-17T06:35:20Z")
Before anyone asks: I happened to click in by accident and noticed the Randi thread. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/19 "2007-01-17T06:44:06Z")
[QUOTE=Muffin] What is a Randi, and what does it cost to operate? [/QUOTE] A ‘Randi’ is a feeling I get after working in the desert for over a month. My wife cures it when I get home. I’m a fan of the cure. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281/20 "2007-01-17T07:17:01Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] **Peter Morris** keeps asking the same question over and over again [in this thread over in Great Debates](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8160272&postcount=175) , even though he has been given the answer over and over again by other people on another board. He presents a false choice between: A. Mr. Randi is telling the truth and B. Mr. Randi is deliberately lying. The trouble is, **Peter Morris** damn well knows the _real_ answer is of course: C. Mr. Randi made a minor _mistake_ in his statement, and _corrected_ his statement on the other board. **Peter Morris** is fully aware of both the minor error and the correction, which means that the only lies being told when it comes to this dilemma are being told by **Peter Morris**. [/QUOTE] I knew it!! \*\*Peter Morris \*\* is really **Protagoras**! [http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/writing/psa/sec20.htm](http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/writing/psa/sec20.htm) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/randi-fans-and-detractors-who-are-the-more-virulently-obsessed/388281.md?page=2)