# Random Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942 "2010-03-18T21:47:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/221 "2010-03-20T18:48:01Z")
1.Meeko has started using an Outline format for this game 1b. But I kinda like it. 2.What do you guys think? 2b.Easier to “Get” me? 2c.Kinda keeps me on a short leash with my ramblings, eh? 1. Obligatory “Hi Opal!” ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/222 "2010-03-20T19:46:25Z")
cool. looking good for my standard day one lynch. at least i generate some data points! Not that i’m giving up however. Seriously. Weak votes are the norm day one. Why so much splash for mine? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/223 "2010-03-20T19:56:47Z")
What makes you say it’s much splash? If your vote for NAF is just the norm for Day 1, then by the same token, aren’t our votes for you as well? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/224 "2010-03-20T20:49:18Z")
So has peeker claimed or not? I have no idea how he fits into the list. Unless he clarified and I missed it, he said he was the Wicked Witch and then retracted it or something? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2010, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/225 "2010-03-20T22:31:17Z")
If Peeker got “You are Peekercpa” how do you think he would let us know ? Just saying. I find it unlikely, but still, it has to be said. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/226 "2010-03-21T01:05:25Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > What makes you say it’s much splash? If your vote for NAF is just the norm for Day 1, then by the same token, aren’t our votes for you as well? no, cos theres a difference between a vote and a wagon ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/227 "2010-03-21T01:48:54Z")
**peeker** , could you maybe actually tell us what role you got? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/228 "2010-03-21T03:13:35Z")
**Vote Count:** 3 – OAOW (voted by: Chronos [180], Jimmy Chitwood [184], Meeko [220]) 1 – NAF1138 (voted by: OAOW [179]) - Note: I am not counting **special ed’s** “bitchslap” in post 122 as a vote. Note 2: I have not tracked votes that were later unvoted. That may change in the future if **sach** decides he wants to do that.\* ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/229 "2010-03-21T03:18:15Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > **peeker** , could you maybe actually tell us what role you got? Yes, please do, peeker. We need claims from those who have not, as well, but I figure it’s only reasonable to wait until Monday. Peeker, too, if you can’t post Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/230 "2010-03-21T03:20:59Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > **peeker** , could you maybe actually tell us what role you got? why are you asking for his role? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/231 "2010-03-21T03:22:20Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > why are you asking for his role? Well, if we’re all going to claim, makes sense for him to claim. Plus, this whole, “I’m the Wicked Witch…or AM I?!” crap is annoying as fuck. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/232 "2010-03-21T03:23:39Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Well, if we’re all going to claim, makes sense for him to claim. Plus, this whole, “I’m the Wicked Witch…or AM I?!” crap is annoying as fuck. Did you mean to ask him for his name? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/233 "2010-03-21T03:24:25Z")
I think he said pretty unambiguously that he’s the Wicked Witch. I was just screwing around. My response was the joke, not his claim. Sorry if I just added to the confusion. That ought to be all the claim that’s needed. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/234 "2010-03-21T03:41:50Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > - > > Note: I am not counting **special ed’s** “bitchslap” in post 122 as a vote. > > - That’s good, because my bitchslap was meant as a bitchslap and not a vote. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/235 "2010-03-21T04:15:57Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Well, if we’re all going to claim, makes sense for him to claim. Plus, this whole, “I’m the Wicked Witch…or AM I?!” crap is annoying as fuck. I would be willing to bet that some people would call him “wicked” in one sense or another. I would be willing to bet, that at least on one occasion, someone has probably called him a witch. Together, not so much. Freudian, I think the issue was that you are asking for a role, and not a name, as the rest of us have been playing at. * * * \*\*How does it work for Mafia, are you Town until proven otherwise, or are you Scum until proven otherwise? Wouldn’t the Odds of role selection differ with the knee jerk reaction to this question? \*\* I am going to treat Peeks as town until otherwise. Not much more we can really do. I’ve got a vote down, and I think it is more pertinent to this game, over “X is just being X again, and I think we should vote him on past, for events not occured in this game, history” ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/236 "2010-03-21T05:16:55Z")
> [@](#): > > How does it work for Mafia, are you Town until proven otherwise, or are you Scum until proven otherwise? You’re unknown until proven otherwise, of course. But to the extent that one is always not-voting for more people than one is voting for, and that while the game continues there are more Town than Scum, the default assumption is Town. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/237 "2010-03-21T05:33:19Z")
I’m of the opinion that there are only two responses to disruptive play, and that’s “voting it as anti-town” and “ignoring it”. I’m sticking with the latter for now, but I reserve the right to do the former if we spend any more time on whatever inanity **peeker** ’s yammering about. When come back, bring playing the game. Hint: You’re not. This tangent regarding errors in spelling is interesting. If it was just one person who did so, I’d buy it, but since it’s two so far, I’m having a hard time believing we’d luck into TWO careless scum. Still, it’s a possibility—and I’m completely dumbfounded by people voting for \*\*OaOW \*\*for pointing it out. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/238 "2010-03-21T05:51:41Z")
By the way, to those doubting the name claim, it’s already given us some useful information: We know that **NAF1138** did not falsify his claim, since he included the bit about his role listing religion before the sample PM was sent out. Assuming that **Zeriel** is Town, we know that **Freudian** did not falsify her claim, since she was the first to claim a fictional name, and Zeriel’s later claim followed the same format. We know that **TexCat** is either Town or extremely ballsy Scum, since she was the first to claim an “evil” name. Now, the bit about not falsifying claims may or may not turn out to be useful. Maybe everyone has a completely random name and the names don’t relate to any game mechanic at all, in which case Scum would have no reason not to use the actual names they were given. On the other hand, though, if when we do catch a Scum e ends up having a name like “Adolf Hitler” or “Osama bin Laden”, then we’ll be able to conclude that Scum did have to make up false claims, and the people who used genuine claims will have a big check mark in the Town column. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/239 "2010-03-21T05:56:32Z")
> [@](#): > > Still, it’s a possibility—and I’m completely dumbfounded by people voting for OaOW for pointing it out. If all he had done were pointing it out, sure, no problem. It’s data, and conceivably useful somehow. But a Scum tell it’s not, and I don’t like people voting based on a null tell. In fact, given that both **Meeko** and **NAF** had misspellings, it’s actually a slight (though only slight) Town tell for both of them, since it’s the simpler hypothesis to assume that one person has bad spelling, rather than two (i.e., that both of their quoted PMs were written by the same person, i.e., that they’re both genuine). And I _really_ don’t like people voting based on something that’s a Town tell, however slight. ---
**Author:** ![KellyCriterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b3f665/32.png) [@KellyCriterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyCriterion)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/240 "2010-03-21T07:29:00Z")
> [@](#): > > You are Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (Composer). You win with the Town. > [Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart) Verifying the legitimacy of each person’s name claim shouldn’t be too hard, I mean, how many articles could there be on wikipedia? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=13)