# Random Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942 "2010-03-18T21:47:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/381 "2010-03-23T04:16:12Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Okay. I mean, I get that it was bad–I just wanted to be as transparent about my role/character/whatever claim as possible in the interest of exposing as much info. I get that it was probably a bad idea to go that far, though. > > So are you saying you’re a third party or…what? you and **ed** should get a room. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/382 "2010-03-23T04:19:26Z")
I would love to see a _real_ Peeker breadcrumb. As in, a breadcrumb that someone picked up from Peeker, in a game that he was a Dick. 😃 Er uh. Ok, you know what I mean. Doubt it could happen. * * * You gotta wonder How I would breadcrumb, if I were a Cop. * * * I ask that you guys ask questions so that I can explain my self better. We all seem to jump to conclusions, before enough questions have been asked. That is all I meant. Hopefully, the outlines will work. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/383 "2010-03-23T04:28:47Z")
\*\*Let’s Water the Witch. \*\* **Unvote** (Not sure if I had one) \*\* Vote Peeker.\*\* Pure and strict policy vote. Yes. I said it. And I said it it terms that Peeker will hopefully understand. If I get more coherent information out of him, then we can begin to talk Unvote. **FTR** : Peeker, I Said you\*\*\* indirectly insult\*\*\* me. I would like to think that outside of Mafia we still understand each other. It’s just, even more so in this game, than in recent memory, I think I have lapped you bud. It’s sad. I will get over it, I don’t know if you will or not. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/384 "2010-03-23T04:29:50Z")
read your history lambkins. the game is afoot. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/385 "2010-03-23T05:19:40Z")
To address the votes against me: @Freudian: You might be misunderstanding my vote for TexCat. TexCat said peeker is being a distraction and that is anti-town at best and pro-scum at worst. I am voting for texcat because the reasoning that she has given seems arbitrary and non-existant. Peeker is scum because he is distracting/confusing, but why is distracting/confusing scummy? I’m just not seeing it. > [@TexCat](#): > > Seems like a bit of a contradiction to me. Clearly, peeker has been a distraction. Red doesn’t seem to find anything scummy in the distraction. I’m not so sure. But why does Red think that my vote is worthy of a vote? I thought my vote was not a horrible day 1 vote. Is this some kind of scummy OMGUS? I voted Red’s scum partner and so Red voted me? At the risk of picking up 3 more votes because I am voting… It’s not a contradiction. I was unsure what peek was trying to say, so I asked him and he answered, pretty directly. Something which you have not deigned to do with regards to my questions. Also, you saying that I voted for you because you voted for peeker is more than a little disingenuous. I voted for you for the reasons that you gave with your vote, which I stated when I voted for you. If you don’t understand them, I’ll clarify. Your vote is worthy of a vote because it does not make sense. How does any player drawing all this attention to himself benefit him or the scum team if he is scum? What’s the scum motivation? If you can tell me that, then maybe your vote will make more sense to me and I’ll consider rescinding mine and reconsider your points, but at this time I just don’t see it. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/386 "2010-03-23T11:37:33Z")
Must re-read from beginning. Have thoughts. Thoughts are disorganized. Will return presently. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/387 "2010-03-23T13:03:28Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > And I think it’s interesting how many people assumed it was a slip. Honestly, has anyone here ever played in a game (especially one that purports to be “newbie friendly”) where the Scum didn’t know who one another were when the game started? That’s all that **Meeko** was saying–that the Scum got the names of the other Scum in their role PM. I suppose it’s not a 100% certainty, but it’s as close to certain info as any random Town player is going to have at the start of the Day. I can see how maybe, MAYBE, you can misinterpret his second statement to construe that the Scum know what one another’s roles are, but I think it’s more likely that the plural construction was used to avoid the awkward “he or she” sort of thing. And even then, I think in a lot of cases the Scum DO know what one another’s roles are at first–I am pretty sure that the only game I’ve ever played in where I was Scum and didn’t know what roles the other Scum had until Night 1 was Colorless. So all in all, I don’t think **Meeko** was doing anything wrong there. Again I think this is a matter of opinion I read Meeko’s post as saying that the scum knew everything about all of their teammates. I haven’t played a game as scum where this was true, admittedly a sample of 1, and there have been other people who have mentioned exceptions. Meeko has explained that he meant that the scum know who their teammates are and possibly knew the role names going in. I think this is likely. All of this was done before I even comment but I wanted to get my thought process down. I do like your thoughts on PIS though > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Not to mention our discussions over the last few games that people who call other people out on supposed PIS slips are more frequently Scum (e.g. Rysto in Cecil Pond). I think I’m comfortable at this point voting for you, and if the last few games are any example, I’ll quickly pick up a few votes for this and end up having been right about it the whole time. Of course that might be because they are kind of familiar. > [@Oredigger77](#): > > Of course one thing that came out of the last game was that the people calling out PIS slips tend to be scum and in the Last game Rysto was almost caught that way so it might be worth looking at Special Ed overcalling out a PIS slip, even though if I’d been online I would have as well. I’m curious since you seem to be voting for me for calling Meeko on his PIS, which I guess you could read my statements that way, why you didn’t look at the person who actually called it PIS? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/388 "2010-03-23T13:22:54Z")
storyteller (0): [del]peekercpa 116 201[/del] peekercpa (2): [del]Zeriel 151 190[/del], [del]TexCat 314 356[/del], Chronos 360, Meeko 383 NAF1138 (0): [del]One And Only Wanderers 179 288[/del], [del]KellyCriterion 242 244[/del] One And Only Wanderers (1): [del]Chronos 180 360[/del], Jimmy Chitwood 184, [del]Meeko 220 291[/del] Mahaloth (0): [del]Meeko 291 298[/del] KellyCriterion (1): NAF1138 313 TexCat (3): Red Skeezix 316, Tom Scud 328, TexCat 356 Oredigger77 (1): Drain Bead 347 Red Skeezix (2): TexCat 356, Freudian Slit 364 ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/389 "2010-03-23T13:45:02Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > TexCat (3): Red Skeezix 316, Tom Scud 328, TexCat 356 uh…I am not suicidal; I am NOT voting for myself. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/390 "2010-03-23T13:48:55Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > TexCat (3): Red Skeezix 316, Tom Scud 328, TexCat 356 That can’t be right. There was a third vote, from peeker, but I’m not sure which post number. In other news, I have a lot of writing to do today; I’ll try to catch up after work. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/391 "2010-03-23T13:57:09Z")
I was wondering about that. I had TexCat 346 and changed it because I saw TexCat’s unvote in 356 ( thought I typed a 4 instead of a 5), but it was Peeker’s vote in 346 that I had flipped. storyteller (0): [del]peekercpa 116 201[/del] peekercpa (2): [del]Zeriel 151 190[/del], [del]TexCat 314 356[/del], Chronos 360, Meeko 383 NAF1138 (0): [del]One And Only Wanderers 179 288[/del], [del]KellyCriterion 242 244[/del] One And Only Wanderers (1): [del]Chronos 180 360[/del], Jimmy Chitwood 184, [del]Meeko 220 291[/del] Mahaloth (0): [del]Meeko 291 298[/del] KellyCriterion (1): NAF1138 313 TexCat (3): Red Skeezix 316, Tom Scud 328, peekercpa 346 Oredigger77 (1): Drain Bead 347 Red Skeezix (2): TexCat 356, Freudian Slit 364 ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/392 "2010-03-23T14:02:55Z")
and **skeez** scum would never do that. my prob with **tex** is the same prob that i have with a lot of folks. what is anti town in stirring the pot? what is anti town in suggesting that folks think? what is anti town about getting in folks grills to see what they are really made of and where they are coming from? what is anti town (game?) in making this an entertaining excercise? see there are folks that approach this from different angles. **nook** and **billmc** are low posters but meh. i and **meeko** and **ed** post more. i am not going to get a whole bunch of befuddled because of their inherent nature. so i just don’t get the whole angle of the way i or others play is in an of itself “scummy”. annoyance is a null tell. so does it annoy me that certain folks don’t play the way i would, sure. but does that in and of itself predicate a vote - nope. i will, however, reserve the right to lynch lurkers (which totally irks me), vote **story** as a policy vote and by default vote **ed** when nothing else comes to light. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/393 "2010-03-23T14:06:04Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Must re-read from beginning. Have thoughts. Thoughts are disorganized. Will return presently. don’t make me **sis** you. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/394 "2010-03-23T14:46:18Z")
**OOG** , but with Relevance to the game:: My Mom called me up earlier this morning. She took half a day to go to the doctor, and wanted to know if I had time to meet. We ended up going to breakfast. Very spontaneous meeting, spur of the moment. My Mom is a preschool teacher. My Mom has Asthma. Two crucial facts for the actual conversation we had in the car. **This is the exact conversation she had :** “So one of the effects of the Nebulizer is that it causes this is orange paint that I got on my pants at work.” I look at her, and I asked “Can you go back to the side effects of your nebulizer?” Apparently, she didn’t even catch that she sidetracked. I then tell her that for this game of Mafia, I told the game about our families use of “” New Paragraph “” . I then told her that I would have to use this conversation as an example. She agreed. So. All of that to say, ADHD doesn’t run in my family, it gallops. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/395 "2010-03-23T15:15:48Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and **skeez** scum would never do that. That’s not what I said. I said roughly, “doing that does not make one scum”. IMO, Scum would do anything. Just because you did it does not mean that you are not scum. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/396 "2010-03-23T15:17:45Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > my prob with **tex** is the same prob that i have with a lot of folks. what is anti town in stirring the pot? what is anti town in suggesting that folks think? what is anti town about getting in folks grills to see what they are really made of and where they are coming from? what is anti town (game?) in making this an entertaining excercise? You weren’t stirring the pot. You weren’t suggesting that folks think. You weren’t getting in folks grills to see what they are made of and where they are coming from. I’ll concede that you may have been trying to make this an entertaining exercise. You were being obtuse, indirect, and confusing. Now, maybe this is “your style” but history suggests that your style earns you a great deal of heat. I feel it should, because as others have stated, your style is anti-Town at best. I feel this game is entertaining enough when Town plays it straightforward. Sure, there are ways we could make it a more intellectually challenging. For example, we could all post in anagrams. And while that might make the game more interesting for people who like anagrams, I feel it would take away from the actual game of Mafia. I must assume that most of us play because the game itself is entertaining. You should understand from the reactions you get that most people would prefer if you played the game straightforward and didn’t play little games within the game. While that style might make the game more fun for you, it might not be as enjoyable for others. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/397 "2010-03-23T15:43:11Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > You weren’t stirring the pot. > You weren’t suggesting that folks think. > You weren’t getting in folks grills to see what they are made of and where they are coming from. > I’ll concede that you may have been trying to make this an entertaining exercise. > You were being obtuse, indirect, and confusing. > Now, maybe this is “your style” but history suggests that your style earns you a great deal of heat. I feel it should, because as others have stated, your style is anti-Town at best. > > I feel this game is entertaining enough when Town plays it straightforward. Sure, there are ways we could make it a more intellectually challenging. For example, we could all post in anagrams. And while that might make the game more interesting for people who like anagrams, I feel it would take away from the actual game of Mafia. I must assume that most of us play because the game itself is entertaining. You should understand from the reactions you get that most people would prefer if you played the game straightforward and didn’t play little games within the game. While that style might make the game more fun for you, it might not be as enjoyable for others. how the crud does making people think equate to anti-town? and seriously, **ed** , playing the game within the game is the game. think of poker. i don’t know what you have and you don’t know what i have. if the cards were all face up what challenge or fun would that be? my goal as town is to try and eliminate threats. if we merely parot “i am town, trust me” then i am unsure how that goal is achieved. ok. i will try to post in monosylables from here on out. i would assume that you support this position. this mess age is en dor sed by the friends of the wick ed witch of the west. a witch that is town al ign ed. i am **peek** and i sup port the pre ce ding mess age. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/398 "2010-03-23T15:45:06Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and **skeez** scum would never do that. > > my prob with **tex** is the same prob that i have with a lot of folks. what is anti town in stirring the pot? what is anti town in suggesting that folks think? what is anti town about getting in folks grills to see what they are really made of and where they are coming from? what is anti town (game?) in making this an entertaining excercise? > > see there are folks that approach this from different angles. **nook** and **billmc** are low posters but meh. i and **meeko** and **ed** post more. i am not going to get a whole bunch of befuddled because of their inherent nature. > > so i just don’t get the whole angle of the way i or others play is in an of itself “scummy”. annoyance is a null tell. > > so does it annoy me that certain folks don’t play the way i would, sure. but does that in and of itself predicate a vote - nope. > > i will, however, reserve the right to lynch lurkers (which totally irks me), vote **story** as a policy vote and by default vote **ed** when nothing else comes to light. \*\*This is gonna be long. Peeker, I like you man. I really do. Perhaps it is because I feel I understand you better, that I still have the patience to type this out for you. \*\* 1. I thought “Scum would never do that” was like the old me. I thought it was, In a lyric, Dead and gone, Dead and gone. 2.“Stirring the pot” is anti-town because the pot does not need to be stirred. Points are hard to come by as is. When you have a face to face conversation with someone, the words only make up 7% of the overall message you are sending. If that is true, Imagine online text with out emoticons. 2b. Therefore, a message, as such is confusing to begin with. Additional stirring is not needed, and becomes detrimental at a certain point. That certain point is fading out of sight in your rear view mirror. – That is, everything at this point is detrimental. 3.“Getting in your grill” comes to me as over aggressive. Again, not needed. Town on Town happens, sure, but that is going to happen with ANY population of town players. Hence, additional grill getting, on purpose, is not needed, it is beyond excess. 3b. I wanted to make this point earlier. I am mostly “As is”. I don’t spend a lot of time looking at how I can confuse the game. I might add in a joke, or a pinch of flavor (see my point number 1, from this outline.) But, I don’t over do it. If you can’t detect a balance, I suggest you err on the side of not adding anything. 3c. I feel we are at odds here Peeker, if only because I know you can control yours better.\*\* I know I don’t have that level of control.\*\* – I don’t choose to flip the switch on. That switch for me is lost in some recess of my mind. I can not, as of yet, find it. Unfortunately, it is left in the on Position. \*\*You know exactly where your switch is, and you turn it on. \*\* This switch is bad for town. Please turn it off. 1. I am all for having players think. However, they may not think as you do. [Frankly, I know you guys don’t think as I do. Calling a spade a spade, I would be understood a LOT better, if we could think in simlar ways. No offense meant.] 4b. This assertaion kinda puts you on top. Peeks. You assume your methods are better. They are different. 4c. Obligatory comment "Perhaps you are the one that needs to “think” rather than getting other players to “think”. Playing a Good town game requires co-operation during the day. You have to be willing to give up certain points, methods, and perspectives. 4d. Again, making these outlines sucks for me. But, I will give up posting in any other format, as I Think this works for me. 4e. Your mileage may vary, but I suggest you look at all your options here Peeker. Change would not mean total abandonment of your perspectives. Despite my apparent 180 on you Peeker, I still like you. I know we both approach the game from outside the box. Keep that. Just throttle it better. **We both are hot and cold on picking up leads.** But when we are Hot, we become one of the better tools town has in a given game. 4f. All of that to say, work on being less “cold” in games. This will in turn make your “hot” feel all that more “hot”. 4g. Sending a youtube video is freezing cold. We have had enough entertainment to last us a few games Peeks. Thanks. 5.Annoyance is a null tell. **It’s null period.** If it is collected in this game (and if something is said in a game, it is “collected”) it becomes dead weight. 5a.The moment it becomes dead weight, it is no longer your “Style of play”. 5aii.If only because it flat out just doesn’t ““play””. It doesn’t achieve what you want it to, if it achieves anything at all. 5b.Dead weight does nothing to help the game. It hurts the game, because it becomes the excrement of the game we all have to wade through to find actual points. 1. We all want people to play their best game. I would like you to play your best game. 6b. I am still waiting for that game to happen. 1. I can’t argue with lynch the lurker. It may not be the best reason for a vote, but it is the default, and it does have its place in games. – Back on playing the game: My vote on you remains until I see something happen. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/399 "2010-03-23T16:03:34Z")
ok, **meeko** here is my deal. first, i don’t get the ahd comments. shoot if i said or posted something that offended you then i am tuly sorry. second, i like stirring the pot. scum need orchestration i will not willingly give that up. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/400 "2010-03-23T16:05:07Z")
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