# Random Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942 "2010-03-18T21:47:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/481 "2010-03-24T15:06:58Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Also, I was hoping **MHaye** would manage to make his usual summing-everything-up-from-on-high appearance a bit earlier than the last day of the Day, but I guess that’s not going to happen. No. No, it’s not. Midway through yesterday evening, I was wondering whether I wanted to continue playing or ask to be subbed out. That’s how much the argument of the Day got to me. Rather than rush into a decision, and also because I was whacked after getting up early, I decided to walk away from the game for the night, and see how I felt after a solid sleep. It turns out that I feel a lot better, and will continue. Right now, though, I have to do something else. So I’ll start a reread in a couple of hours. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/482 "2010-03-24T15:20:20Z")
Man, this is a tough game. Having said that, it has had more activity for me to read and try to interpret than any other Day One I’ve had. I have to say, I’m leaning toward either Chronos, Peeker, or both being scum. I tend to think it’s unlikely both are scum, as they are heading toward ensuring the kill of one of them, which is a pretty foolish move so early in the game. Obviously, it’s possible both are town, as well, but there is no way to tell. Having said this, I believe Chronos made a very good argument in post #466, where he walked through the timing and motivations of Peeker. Read it yourself: > [@Chronos](#): > > So, he digs up that YouTube video, and posts it. After other folks have claimed someone “evil” (Benedict Arnold) and someone fictional (Patrocles et al), he decides it’s safe to finally claim, and points to that video as evidence. If things had fallen out differently, he would have instead just took the risk and made up a name, and ignored the video post. **Vote Peeker** Now that I’ve previewed, I see that Freudian has made the same observation. I swear I started this post more than an hour ago, but have wandered away and worked on my job in the meantime. Anyway, there it is. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/483 "2010-03-24T15:29:34Z")
thanks for that post **mhaye**. i too need to realize that this is not personal. the folks that want to vote me for the way i play have every right to do so. that does not mean that fundamentally they are flawed in their analysis, rather that we come to this endeavor from different directions. so, i will be very direct. **freud** , **chronos** and **tex** i don’t agree with your conclusions. but it is still your perogative. and if you ever end up in san antone i’ll be the first to buy you a libation of choice. 'course then i will probably give **chronos** a five star sudoku puzzle and ask him to help me out. and the ladies will definitely get “wanna fuck”? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/484 "2010-03-24T15:29:43Z")
So, personal animosity toward another player is now openly acknowledged as a partial reason for a vote, then. Free at last, free at last. I respectfully submit - again - that it is probably time to shut up collectively about how dashing and insane **peeker** is or isn’t. Talking about his claim and the timing thereof, and what might have motivated it: good things. Page upon page of whether or not it’s awesome that a lot of people are confused – and I’ll just speak for myself here – is not terribly conducive to scum finding. If you think it’s scummy that **peeker** does things the way he does them, and you think the resultant tangle of clarification and foot-dragging and hairpulling back and forth is a scum tactic to confuse the discussion, vote him for it (as I can see now a few of you have done). More importantly, though, if that’s your perspective why were you letting it work? He isn’t cluttering up the thread by himself. Personally I think it would have been a moronic scum maneuver to play the role claim that way, but hey, moronic things happen. I’m not really feeling the vote for the first day, but I’m glad that after all that at least several of us are committing to it. By the way, thanks for the recap, **Tom**. It reminded me of something that I wanted to keep track of. It isn’t quite right that **KellyCriterion** hasn’t been back to the thread at all (post #290), but it is true that after that one brief spurt of activity **Kelly** has for all intents and purposes vanished. A few other players have done the same, but in **Kelly** ’s case that gung-ho first move followed by the immediate backpedal and disappearance looks like a calculated jump aboard a bandwagon that never materialized, as **NAF** said all the way back. There’s also the “I can’t believe the heat” thing that has been bothering me, as well. I think it’s worth backing up. **unvote** **Vote KellyCriterion** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/485 "2010-03-24T15:31:21Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > seriously, when i flip town those are the folks that will have egg on their face. and like i said earlier either whoopee we got some scum or even better we get some folks that will learn from their mistakes and choose to play a little better game. \*\* Where have I heard this before? \*\* > [@peekercpa](#): > > seriously. when i flip plankton. go back and read as if the people calling for my lynch are just mis guided townies or scum looking for a reason. just do that, please. for goodness sakes. \*\* Peeker, wouldn’t it be nice to not do this AGAIN? \*\* But, we can’t make you change bud. When you are ready, let us know, I will be more than willing to offer what I can to help you. It’s not much, but, just know I am here for you. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/486 "2010-03-24T15:33:16Z")
I fully intend to give Kelly a pass, on Day 1 at least. \*\*Strictly on the odds. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/487 "2010-03-24T15:33:55Z")
That’s great. I put together my teambuilding speech and everybody’s sitting around the campfire singing to each other by the time I post it. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/488 "2010-03-24T15:38:14Z")
neta: and sorry **freud** i support a colony of feral cats so i am not screwing with the kittens. unless it is caging them, getting them snipped and then releasing them to their group. [oog]they do crack me up however. when i feed them in the morning they are my best buds, kind of like coming over and being kind of affectionate and stuff. but in the afternoon when i am just smoking a squag they react like i am a t rex. it does make for some comical moments[/oog] ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/489 "2010-03-24T15:56:58Z")
but here is the real deal **meeko**. i was plankton. i am town. certain folks have taken this to a personal rather than a game based level. yaknow, i got caught up in that for a bit. not again. so if you think i am scum because of the you tube post and subsequent endless iterations go for it. i mean, you will be wrong but for goodness sakes just fracking say it. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/490 "2010-03-24T16:15:54Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > **One and Only’s vote on NAF::** > > I just figured out why I hated that vote. We play mafia to single out a player based on their actions, and interactions with other players. \*\*In effect, Mafia only “works” when a scum player shows us that he or she is worthy [if you will] of a vote. \*\* > > The vote on NAF was not based on anything he did. There was no action or interaction that NAF did, that proved him worthy of the vote. > > Because of that, there can be no defense. No Firstly I was voting for him because I saw the misspelling as something he _had_ done, ie made a mistake when composing a fake claim. The number of misspellings elsewhere later made this seem much less likely. People who have played in games on the dope with me before know I go after perceived slips aggressively, even when it draws me a lot of heat. > [@](#): > > And the kicker: As was pointed out with my claim, the “reason” to vote NAF was duplicated on to mine. I don’t think it a good vote at all, when you can transfer a vote, 100%, between two different players. > > Let me put it another way: > > If there is no reason to vote NAF over Meeko, OR if there is no reason to vote Meeko over NAF, **you should not be voting for either** \*. Again no. If I am convinced player A & player B are scum, and I am equally sure for each, then under your rationale, because I can’t justify one over the otehr, I should in actuality vote player C. I don’t see it that way myself. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/491 "2010-03-24T16:28:53Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I fully intend to give Kelly a pass, on Day 1 at least. > > \*\*Strictly on the odds. \*\* What do you mean by this? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/492 "2010-03-24T16:38:21Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > but here is the real deal **meeko**. i was plankton. i am town. certain folks have taken this to a personal rather than a game based level. yaknow, i got caught up in that for a bit. not again. Yeah, but here’s the thing. We’re all town. Really. Just like everyone on death row is innocent, really. Framed, I tells ya. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/493 "2010-03-24T16:40:34Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I fully intend to give Kelly a pass, on Day 1 at least. > > \*\*Strictly on the odds. \*\* Strictly on what odds? Why is she less likely to be scum when she is acting scummy than anyone else? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/494 "2010-03-24T16:43:49Z")
NETA: :dubious: Meek, for the first time ever in the games I have played with you or watched you play you are \*actually \*pinging me. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/495 "2010-03-24T16:44:18Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > see this is why. > > **chronos** is scum or misguided townie. if you do lynch my rear, when i flip town a couple of positive things can happen. first, **chronos** is scum and a one for one is a town gain, yippee. secondly, and maybe this has actually the best long term benefit for this and future games. he is town and he and others realize that their approach to the game is, if not flawed, at least not the only way to play and that by pigeon holing certain folks for the way the play is really really counter productive. This was your defense against me in Cecil Pond where I was Town. It seems every time someone votes you, you’re going to call them Scum or misguided (I think lazy was your word of choice in Cecil) Townie. But then you call for their lynch ingnoring that you’ve just identified them as potentially Town ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/496 "2010-03-24T16:49:01Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > yaknow if certain folks can’t be arsed enough to review all of the information that is available then i really don’t have a response. > > seriously, the attitude that “this post is too long and therefore i won’t read it” or “omg there is a video link” or “crap his/her spelling is atrocious and am therefore ignoring” is not real helpful. just my two cents, of course. Again, you mis-state why most people didn’t like your ‘claim’ It wasn’t that it was in a video (though that can cause problems for some players) but it’s because you did _ **NOT** _ identify it as a claim. I’m not sure how I can make that more clear. so stop calling it something else. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/497 "2010-03-24T16:51:23Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Here is the thing. > > I half want to vote Peeker just to shut his smug rear end up. > > After that, he wont be able to pull any of this stuff ever again. > > We can’t get to that point, untill we lynch him. > > That’s probably not how you play Mafia. But, for First day vote, I will throw it in with the rest of my reasons to vote him. This is ironic coming from you, Meeko. You;'re the first to complain that almost every vote on you is for personal reasons and is therefore wrong. And now you back up your vote with personal reasons. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/498 "2010-03-24T16:54:32Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I fully intend to give Kelly a pass, on Day 1 at least. > > \*\*Strictly on the odds. \*\* What?!?! This is the second really odd thing you’ve said in a row. Strictly on what odds? The odds that Keely got a Scum role are identical any other player got a Scum role. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/499 "2010-03-24T17:00:59Z")
In fact, on day one it’s more than likely we hit a townie since there’s just so many townies and relatively few scum. Why is **Kelly** more likely? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/500 "2010-03-24T17:02:57Z")
Meeko, did you mean that the odds of Kelly not being scum are better because he was scum in the last game? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=26)