# Random Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942 "2010-03-18T21:47:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/741 "2010-03-30T02:16:05Z")
I can answer the last: one game on Idle (story’s marvels game), to go with my 3 games here. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/742 "2010-03-30T02:37:29Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The second thing I’m wondering about: Is there some easy way to check the history of the games at Idle and Giraffe? I’m wondering just how many games **Tom Scud** has played in where each Day/Night has a separate thread. If he’s played a lot of them, then it makes his “slip” much more plausible, but if he’s only played a few, then it’s more suspicious. There is always our group’s [wiki](http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/Main_Page). I would like to take this opportunity to note that it probably needs work, and invite everyone to come work on the wiki. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/743 "2010-03-30T03:39:15Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Well, here’s the thing. If it’s true that _nobody_ else voting for **peeker** made comments regarding his joke vote (and I’m not sure of that, as I don’t have the time right now to go through 19 pages searching for it) then the strategy fails miserably. All it does is end up getting me in trouble, because it’s something that’s clearly untrue. So that doesn’t make sense to me. And look at my other option. I could have simply said FOS **zeriel** , and why, and had there been someone _else_ who made similar comments, it then becomes “Why are you protecting so-and-so”? Better to hedge one’s bets, especially since I’m pretty sure I saw other people refer to the joke post when smudging **peeker**. Or alternately, you could have re-read the thread to make sure you didn’t screw it up, like a townie would do. > [@](#): > > If people think it’s a Scumfight, that’s one thing. But if you’re Scum, you know I’m Town, and if you’re Town, the motivation behind my actions makes no sense as Scum, when you parse it out. So your vote for me pretty much boils down to ill-supported OMGUS. I don’t think it has to make sense. I have noticed in the past, starting with my very first game here, that when someone makes a list that has obvious criteria and then omits or includes names that don’t quite fit the criteria, that person is almost always scum because it’s a damn good indication of skimming, which I find to be a nigh-universally scummy thing. This is just that applied to implicit lists. > [@](#): > > Final thing to bring up. Had I simply said FOS **zeriel** , what would your response have been? Because this whole thing is a distraction from my initial point in making the FOS in the first place, and you’ve never really answered the substance of it that I can see. My answer? I don’t like joke votes after game start, I find them to muddy the voting record especially when done (as \*\*peeker \*\*did) and then not retracted in a timely manner–it took me calling him on it, and then calling him on “yeah, if it’s a joke, why haven’t you unvoted him” before he unvoted–and even then, in that same latter post, I unvoted him because I was satisfied it was a joke and not a scummy \*\*peeker \*\*play masquerading as a typically obtuse \*\*peeker \*\*play. One man’s distraction is another man’s scum slip. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/744 "2010-03-30T03:40:20Z")
Anyone who’s played with me at all knows I have a hard-on for people who play shenanigans with groups and lists. The surprising thing to me is that anyone’s surprised that I have latched on to this. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/745 "2010-03-30T03:48:28Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > One man’s distraction is another man’s scum slip. And for the player that openly admits he has ADHD …:eek: Everything makes sense to me now! ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/746 "2010-03-30T12:01:12Z")
Yikes, well, off to a rousing Day Two start. This “Day starts on a Saturday” thing is frustrating, because if I happen to have a busy Monday I’m basically AWOL until halfway through the Day. I see on initial skim that there is a bit of speculation regarding the death of **NAF**. This early in the game, there’s really one especially likely reason for a Scum kill - they are trying to identify and kill power roles, and especially the Doctor. **NAF** may have looked like a potential Doctor for the simplest of reasons: his claimed name, with its religious overtones, could have been spun into a protective role. (Incidentally, if the Scum _were_ thinking like this, it suggests [but does not prove] that the Scum themselves have names suggestive of their alignment, and have false-claimed. This isn’t particularly valuable in and of itself, but is worth keeping in mind going forward). For the rest, I will begin re-reading immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/747 "2010-03-30T12:51:13Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Or alternately, you could have re-read the thread to make sure you didn’t screw it up, like a townie would do. If I had to re-read a 20-page thread just to be sure about a freakin’ FOS, not even a vote, then I’d never be posting at all. I have approximately 30 minutes a day to play this game, and I’d rather post and get my suspicions out there as Town then be completely precise in every way and not have any time to actually post. Thanks for answering the substance of the FOS, though. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/748 "2010-03-30T13:11:18Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > If I had to re-read a 20-page thread just to be sure about a freakin’ FOS, not even a vote, then I’d never be posting at all. I have approximately 30 minutes a day to play this game, and I’d rather post and get my suspicions out there as Town then be completely precise in every way and not have any time to actually post. > > Thanks for answering the substance of the FOS, though. That’s fair, but I can’t tell the difference from here between you skimming and making a mistake vs. a deliberate attempt to construct a misleading statement. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/749 "2010-03-30T13:43:13Z")
It’s Tuesday, folks. We really need to have a lot of people get in here and chime in with thoughts about what you are thinking and what we should do. Otherwise, we have nothing to base our votes on and this will lead to a weak vote, something scum would obviously want us to do. Any thoughts are better than no thoughts. Perhaps I’m wrong, but I think we have a ton of people laying low. It’s anti-town. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/750 "2010-03-30T14:10:34Z")
Kelly asked that we give him 24 hours on Sunday and then disappeared again. Any chance of a replacement for Kelly? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/751 "2010-03-30T14:43:41Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > For the record, even though I just confused myself while defending it, I would not have voted based on **Wanderers** ’ vote. I’m voting for him because I didn’t think demanding a full copy-and-paste from someone who had already name-claimed was helpful. I’m gonna go ahead and **vote Jimmy** I had only asked Chronos why he hadn’t quoted when making his claim. I never asked for a FULL claim and this is a blatant smudge to suggest I was. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/752 "2010-03-30T14:44:38Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > It’s Tuesday, folks. We really need to have a lot of people get in here and chime in with thoughts about what you are thinking and what we should do. Otherwise, we have nothing to base our votes on and this will lead to a weak vote, something scum would obviously want us to do. > > Any thoughts are better than no thoughts. > > Perhaps I’m wrong, but I think we have a ton of people laying low. It’s anti-town. Aside from a comment on Drain and the ‘overnight’ kerfluffle, what exactly are you contributing to the conversation? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/753 "2010-03-30T14:49:42Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Aside from a comment on Drain and the ‘overnight’ kerfluffle, what exactly are you contributing to the conversation? Anything I can, specialed. There is little to comment on. Encouraging people to get out here and speak is certainly a good point and worth saying. Certainly better than bantering with Meeko again(still). ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/754 "2010-03-30T15:33:19Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Perhaps I’m wrong, but I think we have a ton of people laying low. It’s anti-town. I’ve always thought this. It seems it happens every game. The posting numbers, or lack thereof. Then again, consider my posting numbers, and you see my perspective on the issue. Everyone seems “laying low” to me. Untill I see something else, I’ll keep my vote on Freudian. You guys might have different terms, but, I think the smudges against me are something to look at. And I know I’m good on this term:: The quantity therein pings me. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/755 "2010-03-30T15:58:43Z")
**Tuesday afternoon vote count!** **Freudian Slit (2) - voted by Rysto [655], Meeko [666] Meeko (1) - voted by Freudian Slit [651] TexCat (1) - voted by Tom Scud [706] Drain Bead (1) - voted by Zeriel [715] Jimmy Chitwood (1) - [del]voted by OreDigger77 [717][/del], OAOW [751]** ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/756 "2010-03-30T16:10:11Z")
Quoth **storyteller** : > [@](#): > > (Incidentally, if the Scum were thinking like this, it suggests [but does not prove] that the Scum themselves have names suggestive of their alignment, and have false-claimed. This isn’t particularly valuable in and of itself, but is worth keeping in mind going forward). Assuming that the color in the death post indicates alignment (since there’s no other indication of alignment we’re given), this doesn’t really work. We know that **NAF** was Town, since the Scum killed him (yes, this is an assumption, but far more likely than the assumption that a Vig we don’t even know we have killed NAF while simultaneously the real Scum kill was blocked), and his color was blue, same as **peeker** ’s, so that means that the Wicked Witch of the West was Town. And if we’ve got a Townie with a blatantly evil name, then that probably implies that we can have Scum with non-evil names. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/757 "2010-03-30T16:48:43Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > I’m gonna go ahead and **vote Jimmy** > > I had only asked Chronos why he hadn’t quoted when making his claim. I never asked for a FULL claim and this is a blatant smudge to suggest I was. Really? Post 267 just now jumped out at you as a reason to vote for me; that is really something. You are reading this game in a peculiar order. This couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that I haven’t liked the way you’re playing today, could it? I mean, I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that a post that had been sitting out there forever just suddenly cried out to you that it needed a response, as opposed to say my more recent posts which were directed at you. And your distinction is nonsense, which is why you hadn’t made it previously – he made his claim and you pressured him about the fact that it wasn’t a quote; why else would that be a problem other than the notion that he was withholding information? I really can’t see any other way around it at this point – your initial vote on **NAF** was ill-conceived and factually in error, your suggestion about the night kill was ridiculous, and now you’re coming after me based on an objection to a non-controversial days-old comment I made. I don’t know what you’re going for, but **Vote One And Only Wanderers** Despite the fact that we’ve got, what, seven votes on six people now? That’s not really very good. Other townies should start looking at existing cases, I think, so we can come to some kind of a consensus and actually get the ball rolling here. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/758 "2010-03-30T16:58:42Z")
I want to go back and review the thread later today, actually, because I’m starting to learn towards **One and Only**. The whole spelling thing jumps out at me, and I’m really not getting his **Jimmy** vote. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/759 "2010-03-30T18:12:24Z")
That OMGUS vote looks pretty damn shady, **One and Only** –if that post was a problem why wasn’t it a big deal yesterday? Heck, you even went back for a re-read at or about post 400ish, and felt the need to point said re-read out to us. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/760 "2010-03-30T18:48:53Z")
I was thinking about the OAOW’s vote on my run and I really don’t like it. When it’s combined with his myopic version of why the scum would have killed NAF it looks like he has something to hide. I don’t like that I’m flip-flopping sides of this argument but I don’t see a case that is build on at least two solid data points like that. **Vote OAOW** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=39)