# Random Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942 "2010-03-18T21:47:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/781 "2010-03-30T23:10:00Z")
NETA: I don’t know what **OaOW** ’s motivations would be. The misspelling tactic is a weird road to go down for a scum, I’ll admit. And it’s not like **OaOW** is a noob who would do something odd or do an OMGUS vote. But honestly, I do think that trying to go down the misspelling path again is very anti town. It just makes absolutely no sense and it’s way distracting. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/782 "2010-03-30T23:11:34Z")
I’m not going back and forth with you and wasting everybody’s time, **ed**. I stated my reasons. If you’ve got something better it would be absolutely swell if you’d out with it finally. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/783 "2010-03-30T23:21:20Z")
So how many players do we need to lynch for distracting you in anti-town ways, Freudian? **unvote TexCat** **vote Freudian** , vote magnet or no. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/784 "2010-03-30T23:21:35Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > In general, though, “Scum would NEVER…” is poor reasoning. It’s in Scum’s best interests to be as unpredictable as possible, so I don’t know that I agree with your reasoning. So, you argue that someone did something because they are Scum…and then when pointed out there’s little Scum motivation to do so…your response is, well, just because they aren’t Scum for my reason doesn’t mean they aren’t Scum is kinda foolish, no? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/785 "2010-03-30T23:34:50Z")
Well, OK, granted we do have to find reason for people acting as they do. I just think you can’t defend people by saying they can’t be scum because scum would never do x. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/786 "2010-03-31T00:13:05Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > So how many players do we need to lynch for distracting you in anti-town ways, Freudian? > > **unvote TexCat** > **vote Freudian** , vote magnet or no. Dude, Tom, what is with this vote? She points out anti-town behavior and you vote for her? WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/787 "2010-03-31T00:23:40Z")
I don’t have a vote on record for the day and Tom’s the first one to really ping me with his lame vote there, so I’m gonna lay one down. **Vote Tom Scud** ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/788 "2010-03-31T00:27:40Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Dude, Tom, what is with this vote? She points out anti-town behavior and you vote for her? > > WTF? Well, let’s see. Yesterday, she spends all day going … oh peeker is anti-town and confusing, but I don’t think he’s scum, so I won’t vote for him… but then she finds a reason to vote for him. Lo and behold, peeker is Town. Then she starts off the day voting Meeko on fairly specious grounds, and draws a couple votes for it. Then as soon as a wagon starts on someone else, she’s right there. And conveniently neglects to mention that her vote pushes her out of the vote lead, while we’re at it. And her justification is some vague waffle about anti-town. This looks distinctively opportunistic to me. NETA (and on preview I see you’ve voted me. Whatevs.) ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/789 "2010-03-31T00:28:45Z")
Bleah. NETA “distinctly opportunistic”. (Stupid 60 second rule) ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/790 "2010-03-31T00:32:56Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Also, **zeriel** , why are you so concerned with me making a general comment that only pointed to you, and yet you’ve never brought up **OAOW** making a generalization that only pointed to **Meeko**? This is another reason why I think your vote on me essentially boils down to OMGUS. I’ll be quite happy voting for OAOW, you just happened to be the one I spotted first. As for Tom, his slip is independent of yours, and regardless of how you flip, he’s gonna get my vote eventually too. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/791 "2010-03-31T00:36:46Z")
I’m not sure if I should be subbed out–I have the ability to read and post, but my head is totally not in the game. I can’t even remember who I ended the day voting for yesterDay. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/792 "2010-03-31T00:38:57Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Well, let’s see. Yesterday, she spends all day going … oh peeker is anti-town and confusing, but I don’t think he’s scum, so I won’t vote for him… but then she finds a reason to vote for him. Lo and behold, peeker is Town. > > Then she starts off the day voting Meeko on fairly specious grounds, and draws a couple votes for it. > > Then as soon as a wagon starts on someone else, she’s right there. And conveniently neglects to mention that her vote pushes her out of the vote lead, while we’re at it. And her justification is some vague waffle about anti-town. > > This looks distinctively opportunistic to me. > > NETA (and on preview I see you’ve voted me. Whatevs.) Well, I genuinely thought that **Chronos** made a good argument for voting for **peeker**. And he IS anti town in every game he plays in. You know that. I don’t think my vote for **Meeko** was specious. His defense of **Kelly** was specious to my mind. I changed my vote because **OaOW** seemed a LOT scummier, and because it wasn’t likely my vote for **Meeko** was going to make any headway. I’m still keeping my eye on him, but for now, I’m going with someone who pings me more. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/793 "2010-03-31T00:55:23Z")
Hey, everyone. Any opinions on what Tom is pushing against Freudian? Freudian does seem to be going from target to target with weak cases and poor reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/794 "2010-03-31T01:38:38Z")
**special ed** , I voted for **red** and then I changed to **peeker**. Today I voted for **meeko** and then **one and only**. I don’t know that that’s jumping, but isn’t it better that I vote for whom I think is scummiest rather than just staying put for the sake of looking less suspect? Besides, other people have voted for those people. Why are you only calling me out for having a “weak” case? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/795 "2010-03-31T01:45:19Z")
Tom and Jimmy have both been pinging me. Tom, I think may be just OMGUS pinging. Although the night thread slip could very well be a real slip. Jimmy has been pinging me since he did not agree with the name claim, was reluctant to tell us his name, and was one of the last to do so. I also do not like his vote on Wanderers. > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > I find the death of NAF interesting. Why would scum shoot in that direction? Maybe one of the misspelled brotherhood is scum and wanted to confirm that misspellings were not a data point? I don’t find anything in Wanderers’ post particularly scummy. He is merely speculating on NAF’s death, and naturally his speculation would wander to his retracted vote on NAF. Is he trying to point to Meeko being scum, and if so, why didn’t he join Freudian in a Meeko vote? I’m not sure what to make of Freudian. Her behavior does look a lot like scum trying to start a bandwagon. But she pointed out Tom’s slip and so I don’t think both Tom and Freudian are scum, and Tom’s been pinging me, so I’m willing to give Freudian the benefit of the doubt for the moment. Hell, I don’t know, I could very well be wrong about everybody. Vote: Jimmy Chitwood for not wanting to name claim and for his vote on Wanderers on reasoning that was suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/796 "2010-03-31T02:05:09Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Hey, everyone. > > Any opinions on what Tom is pushing against Freudian? > > Freudian does seem to be going from target to target with weak cases and poor reasoning. _Tom_? I’ve been after Freudian for this since Day One! ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/797 "2010-03-31T02:05:51Z")
Good, good. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/798 "2010-03-31T02:07:25Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > _Tom_? I’ve been after Freudian for this since Day One! But again, I wasn’t the only person on those people. On day one I voted for **Red** and **peeker**. I don’t remember if anyone else was pro voting red, but **chronos** voted for **peeker**. He started that case. Was he suspect? Or just me? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/799 "2010-03-31T02:16:59Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > **special ed** , I voted for **red** and then I changed to **peeker**. Today I voted for **meeko** and then **one and only**. I don’t know that that’s jumping, but isn’t it better that I vote for whom I think is scummiest rather than just staying put for the sake of looking less suspect? Besides, other people have voted for those people. Why are you only calling me out for having a “weak” case? I’m interested in what people think about the case against you. I guess I wasn’t really thinking about asking you for your reaction, but I appreciate your thoughts I do believe your reasoning has been weak for your votes, but I’m not necessarily holding that against you. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/800 "2010-03-31T02:35:57Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > But again, I wasn’t the only person on those people. On day one I voted for **Red** and **peeker**. I don’t remember if anyone else was pro voting red, but **chronos** voted for **peeker**. He started that case. Was he suspect? Or just me? If i had to venture a guess as to other people’s reasons for suspecting you more than other people who have voted in the same fashion as you, it would be because of this: > [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > **Chronos** , my bad. It pretty much is a vanilla claim. I guess I just figured that since this game is so cryptic, we might as well be up front. Plus, I figured it’s not like I was giving away special info I did have–like giving a away a power role would be bad. > > I also think that voting for **TexCat** for voting for **peeker** is weird. He genuinely is the most scummy person but then again he’s ALWAYS the most scummy person. Not to be totally meta, but > > **vote red skeeviz** > [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > That actually makes a lot of sense to me. It also explains why he was so vague. And the Elizabeth Berkeley photo–if he got the sense that other scum was NOT posting their real IDs, he could play coy and act like it was just a game, he was just playing around–see, he posted a pic of the chick in Showgirls. Why are you taking this so seriously? But since there were other “evil” roles, he could be all, “Yeah, that’s my role, wtf? How is that not obvious! fsalkfjsaf!” > > So. **unvote red** > \*\* > vote peeker\*\* > > You can’t really say that someone is scum every time they vote for you, dude. It smacks of OMGUS. Anyway, why is it that he’s flawed, and yet the fact that you get votes all the time on day one doesn’t mean that you as a player are flawed? and then this: > [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > It would be the Mormon. DUM DUM DUM DUM DUM DUM DUM! > > So I’m assuming both our deaths were Town? I’m curious about what **Rysto** asks. > > Anyway, I’ll start off today with my vote. > > **Vote Meeko** > > Why? For your justification that **Kelly** due to the numbers couldn’t be scum again. > [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > \ > > WTF? You make this whole case about the misspellings and yet can’t be bothered to figure out who is and who isn’t misspelled? Why do I feel like this whole misspelling thing is so much smoke and mirrors? I thought the votes against you on day one were kind of misguided, but now I’m not so sure. This is weird. > > And the vote on **jimmy** –I can’t figure it out. It reads like so much OMGUS you suck, to me. > > **unvote meeko** > > **Vote One and Only Wanderers** Now, on the surface, it just looks like 4 weak votes (and, again, weak isn’t necessarily a scummy thing on Days 1 & 2) However, the vote on Red almost immediately followed TexCat’s vote on red. and put Red in the lead over Oredigger, OAOW, peeker and TexCat. The switch to peeker later pushed him into the lead over Texcat (when peeker had momentum and red obviously had none). ToDay, the early vote on Meeko might be viewed as opportunistic. It didn’t get any traction either. And when Jimmy voted for OAOW, you were quick to support it and after Oredigger bought in, you added your vote. It pushed Oredigger into the lead over you and Texcat and Zeriel. Then, later, when MHaye questioned the very basis of your suspicion of OAOW, your response was basically, ‘OK, my reasoning for voting OAOW may be bad, but that doesn’t mean he’s Town’ Hardly a resounding support for your vote, because it also doesn’t mean OAOW is any more likely to be Scum. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=41)