# Random Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942 "2010-03-18T21:47:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1041 "2010-04-10T21:36:41Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Anyone feel like doing a vote pattern analysis, given what we know of the dead? I never have time to do them, but I think it may help. I never find it too useful until I can see a name in red, but here we go: **Day One** **peekercpa** (4): [del]Zeriel 151 190[/del], [del]TexCat 314 356[/del], **Chronos** 360, Meeko 383, **Freudian Slit** 478, Mahaloth 482 KellyCriterion (3): **NAF1138** 313, **Jimmy Chitwood** 484, Tom Scud 571 **Chronos** (3): [del]\*\*\*\*[color=green]storyteller0910\*\*[/color]\*\* 416 564[/del], **peekercpa** 450, **storyteller0910** 590, MHaye 591 Drain Bead (2): Zeriel 560, special ed 565 TexCat (1): Red Skeezix 316, [del]Tom Scud 328 571[/del], [del] **peekercpa** 346 450[/del] Oredigger77 (1): Drain Bead 347 Red Skeezix (1): TexCat 356, [del] **Freudian Slit** 364 478[/del] Zeriel (1): [del] **storyteller0910** 564 567[/del], **One And Only Wanderers** 570 Rysto (1): GuiriEnEspaña 576 **Freudian Slit** (1): Rysto 577 **NAF1138** (0): [del] **One And Only Wanderers** 179 288[/del], [del]KellyCriterion 242 244[/del] **storyteller0910** (0): [del] **peekercpa** 116 201[/del] **One And Only Wanderers** (0): [del] **Chronos** 180 360[/del], [del] **Jimmy Chitwood** 184[/del], [del]Meeko 220 291[/del] Mahaloth (0): [del]Meeko 291 298[/del] Not Voting (2) : KellyCriterion, Oredigger77 **Day Two** **One And Only Wanderers** (8): **Jimmy Chitwood** 757, Oredigger77 760, **Freudian Slit** 763, Mahaloth 815, GuiriEnEspaña 855, Drain Bead 865, Zeriel 874, **Chronos** 882 **Freudian Slit** (8): Rysto 655, Meeko 666, Tom Scud 783, Red Skeezix 835, special ed 861, OAOW 871, TexCat 880, MHaye 885 Mahaloth (1): **storyteller0910** 833 **Jimmy Chitwood** (0): [del]Oredigger 717 734[/del], [del] **One And Only Wanderers** 751 871[/del], [del]TexCat 795 880[/del] Drain Bead (0): [del]Zeriel 715 874[/del] GuiriEnEspaña (0): [del] **Chronos** 803 882[/del] TexCat (0): [del]Tom Scud 706 783[/del] Tom Scud (0): [del]Mahaloth 787 815[/del] Meeko (0): [del] **Freudian Slit** 651 763[/del] **Day Three** **Chronos** (7): [del]special ed 924 995[/del], Red Skeezix 974, Drain Bead 984, Oredigger77 990, GuiriEnEspaña 1000, Tom Scud 1002, Rysto 1005, **Jimmy Chitwood** 1004 Tom Scud (4): Mahaloth 931, Zeriel 954, **Chronos** 971, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 986, [del] **Jimmy Chitwood** 1004 1013[/del] Oredigger77 (2): special ed 995, MHaye 1015 **Jimmy Chitwood** (1): TexCat 941 TexCat (1): [del]Tom Scud 969 1002[/del], Meeko 982 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1042 "2010-04-10T22:17:11Z")
Thanks, Rysto. I see that up a bit I said I voted for Tom Scud the last two days. I forgot about OneandOnly and that I changed my vote that day. I just want to clarify in case people look at it later. I did vote for Tom on Day 2, but unvoted because I didn’t like OneAndOnly saying he’d be a good lynch for the Day. Anyway, thanks for collecting the votes together, Rysto. Mine appear to be accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1043 "2010-04-10T22:24:42Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Anyway, thanks for collecting the votes together, Rysto. Mine appear to be accurate. I just copied and pasted sach’s final vote counts. If there are errors, blame him, not me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1044 "2010-04-10T22:54:47Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > On preview, I see **Meeko** ’s back after his Day3 quasi-absence, another one who pings me but I daren’t attempt a WoW on him… Yes, I’m not posting as much in this game. Would you rather I go back to being a maximum posting outlier? – But seriously, anyone can tell you that I am becoming more and more disenfranchised with Mafia, **Town’s record for this game notwithstanding.** Frankly, and yes I dare say this, I feel like I skim the game too much as it is. I think we all do, and it doesn’t help. I think it’s a perfect storm: ## I need to post less No one understands me When you guys do, I don’t think it matters to the outcome of the game I finally found a job so on and so on. But yes, I care less for Mafia in recent memory. Take from that what you will. It would seem that recently, I have realized more than ever how much I don’t fit in with Mafia. I used to think it wouldn’t matter, that I could carry on regardless. Something is getting to me, and I’m not that sure I can separate it out anymore. How is it that I ping you? I’m not going to beat any dead horses here. – \*\* I am On Texcat for wasting game time on questioning word of Mod truths. The entire “is blue town” issue. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1045 "2010-04-10T22:58:55Z")
NETA: I didnt really think my lack of posting was an issue. I’m not about to call attention to it. So, when can we talk about it, if I wont call it out? Once it becomes an issue for someone else. Not sure how else to do it. Is there a magic number someone has to hit, as to not be a lurker? Certainly you guys aren’t thinking Im suspect because of just recent non-activity? I mean, don’t we still have others that are consistently not posting day to day in this game? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1046 "2010-04-10T23:06:59Z")
The reason I did a WoW on you was that when looking at my list of remaining players I realized I’d hardly noticed you throughout this game and that alone raised my suspicions (apart from **Cookies** , only **MHaye** has posted less that the two of us but he manages to get in right at the end of the Day with a last minute vote so it leaves an impression). So far we’ve managed to lynch town players who’ve made some sort of mistake or bad play which caught our attention but we haven’t found a single scum. It’s time to also look at players who may be attempting to fly under the radar and not attracting much attention. Your arguments are good, I admit I re-read your posts with the idea that you could be scum and so looked at you through that lens. I did notice that you dismissed a number of cases with the same argument, which you now say is your MO so I guess you’re consistent. I saw a scum knowing that a case was baseless or weak and challenging the accuser while sometimes appearing to defend the accused. In many of the cases I could think of possible scum motivations so it seemed like you were just rattling off the same argument case after case but not getting your hands dirty by actually coming up with plausible answers to your own questions. > [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > I’ve been poking and prodding where I have perceived a lot of players have been turning a blind eye to. Just because my comments and criticisms have been largely ignored this game, does not imply that they are any less valid or designed not to provoke attention. I can see where you’re coming from here, I’ve poked a number of players but have also had little or no response (until now) - it’s impossible to get a read on players who ignore you. This dialog is helping. The “clean noser” thing was brought up by **sach** who was town in that game: > [@Scum mafia: On Cecil pond \[Game Over\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/1180): > > - It is Day Three. I feel that Day Three is a good time to start looking at ‘clean nosers.’ I define ‘clean nosers’ to distinguish them from ‘lurkers.’ Lurkers are those players who post little. Often low posts are due to real life reasons rather than alignment. Clean Nosers on the other hand post enough not to be labeled a lurker, but post and vote in a way to avoid controversy and keep their nose clean. > > This is not to say that I am suspicious of these people yet, only that I have a small impression of them so far for this game (which could very well be _my_ fault). > > I encourage others to look at the gameplay list and identify the players who you haven’t been noticing. Not that that makes them scummy, only that you need to pay closer attention to them and perhaps look and see if your lack of noticing them is signs of a ‘clean noser.’ > [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > Plus you are ignoring why I voted Chronos, which is to say he made big puffy case based on nothing, and then voted an established bandwagon. It looked to me like he was creating an opening for a bandwagon to start. Without taking responsibility for it himself (smudge and bluster). I took that for granted as the objective of any intentional mischaracterization would be to create suspicion around a player and possibly generate votes. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1047 "2010-04-10T23:19:14Z")
Wow. Surprised to be alive, and sorry to see our vig gone. First order of business - I did that reread of Oredigger; didn’t find much that Guiri missed, apart from one thing: Check out this line from his [name claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12244045&postcount=156): > [@](#): > > You are George Washington (President). You win with theTown. Can we magnify that last phrase? > [@](#): > > with theTown. I think this is an actual scum slip here. (I don’t think sach typed out “You win with the Town.” individually for each PM. So the only person who could have made a typo is Oredigger.) For that, and his vote yesterday, and his weird statement on Day 1: **vote Oredigger** ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1048 "2010-04-10T23:20:56Z")
(The weird statement on day 1 being the “I’m surprised no one else was suspicious of Meeko for PIS” thing.) ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1049 "2010-04-10T23:21:14Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > How is it that I ping you? I’m not going to beat any dead horses here. /snipped Mainly a dead horse ( **Kelly** ) plus your absence yesterDay was really noticed - just look at the post count for the Day. I remember in colorless you purposely posted less in order to attract a cop investigation (as you were the scum godfather). ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1050 "2010-04-11T03:10:40Z")
Things continue to go poorly, so I think it is time to make a move. I am a Mason, aligned with the Town, and another of our number is Texcat. We only know who else is in the Masonry. We do not communicate off-board. If it had not been for my perfect knowledge that TexCat is a Mason, I would very likely have been voting for her already. Let’s just say that we apparently interpret things very very differently. At this time, I am not going to speak to any further details that may or may not exist with respect to the Masonry. And I take the opportunity to ask TexCat to also keep quiet about such things. My short list right now includes Tom Scud, Rysto, and Meeko. Tom Scud has a solid record of voting for and fostering suspicion against Town, and my case against him was put together with what I could find without exposing my perfect Mason information, something that Rysto certainly seemed to have picked up on, but I think it may have exposed Rysto’s own perfect information with respect to Tom Scud’s alignment. Meeko has also rather doggedly pursued a Mason, not that Kelly’s participation level was great and Town could hold reasonable suspicions. But, in spite of play that is by all accounts dubious, TexCat, Kelly, and I add up to two Town Masons, like it or not. I am taking a bit of a gamble that you won’t lynch TexCat or I to prove our benevolent Masonry, but the town needed a shot in the arm and this is the best I can do to that end. I’m doing this early and with only a small amount of pressure on me personally, but now we have lots of time to talk about it. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1051 "2010-04-11T03:16:26Z")
**Unvote Cookies** Wow, I’m really setting the world on fire here, aren’t I? Updated vote chart: **Day One** **peekercpa** (4): [del]Zeriel 151 190[/del], [del] **TexCat** 314 356[/del], **Chronos** 360, Meeko 383, **Freudian Slit** 478, Mahaloth 482 **KellyCriterion** (3): **NAF1138** 313, **Jimmy Chitwood** 484, Tom Scud 571 **Chronos** (3): [del]\*\*\*\*[color=green]storyteller0910\*\*[/color]\*\* 416 564[/del], **peekercpa** 450, **storyteller0910** 590, MHaye 591 Drain Bead (2): Zeriel 560, special ed 565 **TexCat** (1): Red Skeezix 316, [del]Tom Scud 328 571[/del], [del] **peekercpa** 346 450[/del] Oredigger77 (1): Drain Bead 347 Red Skeezix (1): **TexCat** 356, [del] **Freudian Slit** 364 478[/del] Zeriel (1): [del] **storyteller0910** 564 567[/del], **One And Only Wanderers** 570 Rysto (1): GuiriEnEspaña 576 **Freudian Slit** (1): Rysto 577 **NAF1138** (0): [del] **One And Only Wanderers** 179 288[/del], [del] **KellyCriterion** 242 244[/del] **storyteller0910** (0): [del] **peekercpa** 116 201[/del] **One And Only Wanderers** (0): [del] **Chronos** 180 360[/del], [del] **Jimmy Chitwood** 184[/del], [del]Meeko 220 291[/del] Mahaloth (0): [del]Meeko 291 298[/del] Not Voting (2) : **KellyCriterion** , Oredigger77 **Day Two** **One And Only Wanderers** (8): **Jimmy Chitwood** 757, Oredigger77 760, **Freudian Slit** 763, Mahaloth 815, GuiriEnEspaña 855, Drain Bead 865, Zeriel 874, **Chronos** 882 **Freudian Slit** (8): Rysto 655, Meeko 666, Tom Scud 783, Red Skeezix 835, special ed 861, OAOW 871, **TexCat** 880, MHaye 885 Mahaloth (1): **storyteller0910** 833 **Jimmy Chitwood** (0): [del]Oredigger 717 734[/del], [del] **One And Only Wanderers** 751 871[/del], [del] **TexCat** 795 880[/del] Drain Bead (0): [del]Zeriel 715 874[/del] GuiriEnEspaña (0): [del] **Chronos** 803 882[/del] **TexCat** (0): [del]Tom Scud 706 783[/del] Tom Scud (0): [del]Mahaloth 787 815[/del] Meeko (0): [del] **Freudian Slit** 651 763[/del] **Day Three** **Chronos** (7): [del]special ed 924 995[/del], Red Skeezix 974, Drain Bead 984, Oredigger77 990, GuiriEnEspaña 1000, Tom Scud 1002, Rysto 1005, **Jimmy Chitwood** 1004 Tom Scud (4): Mahaloth 931, Zeriel 954, **Chronos** 971, **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** 986, [del] **Jimmy Chitwood** 1004 1013[/del] Oredigger77 (2): special ed 995, MHaye 1015 **Jimmy Chitwood** (1): **TexCat** 941 **TexCat** (1): [del]Tom Scud 969 1002[/del], Meeko 982 I need to do a re-read and see if I can find my way, because I’ve clearly been out to lunch for this entire game. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1052 "2010-04-11T03:16:39Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I remember in colorless you purposely posted less in order to attract a cop investigation (as you were the scum godfather). Was that my M.O. for that game? A. Ok, Guiri (at the very least, all of you, at the max.) can no longer claim that he(?) doesn’t understand me. \*\*AND / OR \*\* B. That’s interesting. I didn’t think I was that organized in that game, or in any game, to pull something like that off. \*\*That is to say you are giving me more credit that I deserve here. \*\* It’s just interesting that you have that perception of the same events I was party to, when my perception of same comes no where close. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1053 "2010-04-11T03:17:37Z")
I have to ask why you felt the need to claim with 1 vote on you, 1 vote on TexCat and several on Oredigger, though. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1054 "2010-04-11T03:41:52Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > (I don’t think sach typed out “You win with the Town.” individually for each PM. So the only person who could have made a typo is Oredigger.) I thought the Typo thing was a few chapters back. Are we really still hanging votes, in part, on Typos? (If you aren’t hanging it in part on typo, why bring it up?) > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Things continue to go poorly, so I think it is time to make a move. > > I am a Mason, aligned with the Town, and another of our number is Texcat. > > Meeko has also rather doggedly pursued a Mason, not that Kelly’s participation level was great and Town could hold reasonable suspicions. But, in spite of play that is by all accounts dubious, TexCat, Kelly, and I add up to two Town Masons, like it or not. **Town** : Is this the “right way” to claim mason? **Cookies** : Yours is Industrial Strength **WEAK SAUCE**. : 1. Assume you are telling the truth 1b. You don’t give me a fraction of a second to Unvote TexCat. 2. Assume you are lying 2b. It would be all too easy to move against me with this assumed townlieness, coming on strong, all of a sudden. 2c. I assume **Rysto** was talking to you, **Cookies** , and even if he wasn’t, I will state / add that a claim from you right now seems out of place. 3. I think you are half true. I think you and TexCat have night communications. But I doubt you are Masons. 3b. Yes, I think you both are Scum. 3c. From where I sit wouldn’t be such a bad move to cement a scum victory. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1055 "2010-04-11T03:42:26Z")
I hope TexCat doesn’t take this the wrong way, but I didn’t think she was going to be able to talk herself out of the hole she was in. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1056 "2010-04-11T03:43:44Z")
The “right way” for a Town power to play at any time, is the way he/she feels is best. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1057 "2010-04-11T03:47:58Z")
By the way, are you guys _actually_ Benedict Arnold and Mozart? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1058 "2010-04-11T03:49:40Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I hope TexCat doesn’t take this the wrong way, but I didn’t think she was going to be able to talk herself out of the hole she was in. Interesting, if Tex is Scum, a scummate would nearly have to do the exact same as you did. > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > The “right way” for a Town power to play at any time, is the way he/she feels is best. I didn’t ask you. But, I can substitute Scum for “Town” in the above and it still holds true. At this point Cookies, I’m going to need a third party to confirm you. That means someone other than Tex. I just feel that you claimed wrong. If indeed you are claiming truthfully. And it’s gonna take someone other than Texcat. No vote mind you, but, I just get a feeling something is off here. A Ping if you will. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1059 "2010-04-11T03:53:05Z")
Meeko, why are you fishing for a third mason? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1060 "2010-04-11T03:57:33Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Meeko, why are you fishing for a third mason? As I stated, I don’t like the Cookies claim, I don’t like the timing, or the double-dip aspect swooping in to claim two masons in one shot. I’m not fishing. I’m just saying I’m not buying the claim as is. And as the claim is “as is”, the second mason, Texcat, can’t claim for Cookies, IMHO. What do we have left after that ? Didn’t you have concerns with a Cookies as Mason Claim ? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=54)