# Random Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942 "2010-03-18T21:47:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1061 "2010-04-11T03:57:50Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > By the way, are you guys _actually_ Benedict Arnold and Mozart? Yep. Why so testy, Meeko? Am I not allowed to answer your rhetorical questions? I sincerely hope that you’ll at least consider going back through the game and assuming, if only for a moment, that I’m telling the truth. Then you can go back to refusing to believe unless Texcat or I dies or someone else manages to say something to convince you. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1062 "2010-04-11T03:59:33Z")
We can’t coordinate, and claiming by myself as a Mason does nothing to prevent TexCat from getting strung up. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1063 "2010-04-11T04:00:58Z")
Interesting that Town can be so wrong for so long, and no one gives a damn. Interesting that in the face of that, I end up being doubly wrong, instead of a double negative canceling each other out. Town has to sharpen the saw at some point. Just how I feel here. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1064 "2010-04-11T04:03:59Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > We can’t coordinate, and claiming by myself as a Mason does nothing to prevent TexCat from getting strung up. Elaborate on “We can’t coordinate” please. I need help understanding this. I fear I’m making an assumption here, OR you just slipped against your mason claim. Again, I don’t see how scum would act differently in your second part. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1065 "2010-04-11T04:05:22Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Was that my M.O. for that game? > > A. Ok, Guiri (at the very least, all of you, at the max.) can no longer claim that he(?) doesn’t understand me. > > \*\*AND / OR \*\* > > B. That’s interesting. I didn’t think I was that organized in that game, or in any game, to pull something like that off. \*\*That is to say you are giving me more credit that I deserve here. \*\* > > It’s just interesting that you have that perception of the same events I was party to, when my perception of same comes no where close. Direct quotes from the Scum thread of that game: > [@meeko](#): > > 1. I am making a conscious effort to not spam the game thread with posts. Will this adversely affect my rep in the game? Or is my rate of posting such that it needs to be reduced, period regardless of alignment or role? > [@meeko](#): > > And While I am at it, I will just ask Town ex post facto, My god, did my post count numbers not tip my hand this go around? and from the game thread during post-game conversation > [@Colorless Mafia](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1347): > > * * * > > And no one commented on my Post count numbers. [Yeah, I know I just made up for it right now. So sue me.] > I think this was my best game yet. But It still got to me. _Sorry Skeezix_ So, my question is why would you now deny that you have the skills to pull that off when you were purposely doing it in that game and proud of the fact after the game… and now you’re fishing for an additonal mason claim? really? All it will take is one mason counterclaim for us to determine the truth if cookies is lying. And if she’s lying and there are no masons, we can deal with that in a couple of Days and lynch both her and TexCat (who if Town would deny Cookies claim) ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1066 "2010-04-11T04:07:18Z")
We don’t have an off-board location at which to coordinate, we only know who each other are. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1067 "2010-04-11T04:17:12Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > We don’t have an off-board location at which to coordinate, we only know who each other are. Mind sharing your role PM? Snip out the names of any masons other than TexCat, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1068 "2010-04-11T04:25:45Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > So, my question is why would you now deny that you have the skills to pull that off when you were purposely doing it in that game and proud of the fact after the game… > > and now you’re fishing for an additonal mason claim? really? All it will take is one mason counterclaim for us to determine the truth if cookies is lying. > > And if she’s lying and there are no masons, we can deal with that in a couple of Days and lynch both her and TexCat (who if Town would deny Cookies claim) Wow Ed. You don’t know how to shut up do you? \*\*You might want to recall the timing of those statements before you take anymore out of context. \*\* \*\* proud of the fact after the game\*\* A F T E R. Not during. Not when I could have manipulated a cop to come after me. * * * 1. I am making a conscious effort to not spam the game thread with posts. Will this adversely affect my rep in the game? Or is my rate of posting such that it needs to be reduced, period regardless of alignment or role? And While I am at it, I will just ask Town ex post facto, My god, did my post count numbers not tip my hand this go around? ## And no one commented on my Post count numbers. [Yeah, I know I just made up for it right now. So sue me.] Ed, as I recall the game all of these statements come either BEFORE or AFTER the game proper. 1. This is a SMUDGE. 2. Either get your facts right, or don’t bait me. To my first: I think my doubt is self evident : Will This Work? Or is it a wash entire? Not the words of a Confident man. [Yes, I admit it, because it’s true.] To my Second: Ex Post Facto : AFTER THE FACT. As I said earlier, I Can’t act on the past using observations in hindsight. Mafia would be vastly different if we all could do this. To my Third : Past tense of comment. Again, AFTER THE FACT . * * * and now you’re fishing for an additonal mason claim? really? All it will take is one mason counterclaim for us to determine the truth if cookies is lying. \*\*This is the thinking pattern that causes Town to lose. \*\* I don’t know why I bother at this point. But here we go :: 1.You assume that the game has Masons all of a sudden. 2.I think you are the one fishing for Masons. 3.This would be interesting if you are a third scum. 3b.Not ruling it out. And if she’s lying and there are no masons, we can deal with that in a couple of Days and lynch both her and TexCat (who if Town would deny Cookies claim) 1. Town needs to drop the “We can deal with that “in a couple of days” mentality.” 4b. Scum knows how many days we have left. 4c. I don’t see town motivation to stall - ever. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1069 "2010-04-11T04:26:16Z")
I can, but the wording has implications as to the size of the Masonry. This is what it looks like when omitting the implicating part: You are Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (Composer). You win with the Town. You know that Benedict Arnold [omitted]. > **[Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart)** > > Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart\[a\]\[b\] (27 January 1756 – 5 December 1791) was a prolific and influential composer of the Classical period. Despite his short life, his rapid pace of composition resulted in more than 800 works of virtually every genre of his time. Many of these compositions are acknowledged as pinnacles of the symphonic, concertante, chamber, operatic, and choral repertoire. Mozart is widely regarded as among the greatest composers in the history of Western music, with his music admire... ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1070 "2010-04-11T04:32:01Z")
Interesting, that Rysto asked for, and more or less received what he was after. No “Fishing” charge was leveled. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1071 "2010-04-11T04:35:03Z")
Meeko, slow down. 1. Guiri indicated that he is pinged by your limited posting. He stated that you did that intentionally in Colorless when you were Scum. 2. You seemed to be saying that you were not trying to do that in Colorless 3. I pointed out 2 post in that game where you indicated that you were attempting to post less. 4. I also pointed out 1 post after the game where you admitted that was your strategy. Therefore, it appears that Guiri’s justification for being pinged by your limited posting is accurate. Additionally, it appears that your denial of using that as a tactic while Scum is inaccurate. (your confidence in your ability doesn’t mean you didn’t try to do it) Regarding the comments about the Masonry, I’ll allow other people to respond to you since you’re spouting off at me about baiting and smudging you. I still belive it foolish to demand that more masons claim. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1072 "2010-04-11T04:36:45Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Interesting, that Rysto asked for, and more or less received what he was after. > > No “Fishing” charge was leveled. He didn’t ask for someone else to claim. He just asked for a little back-up to a claim already made. Asking for her to back-up her claim isn’t fishing. Asking for another person to claim is fishing. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1073 "2010-04-11T04:45:17Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Meeko, slow down. > > 1. Guiri indicated that he is pinged by your limited posting. He stated that you did that intentionally in Colorless when you were Scum. > 2. You seemed to be saying that you were not trying to do that in Colorless > 3. I pointed out 2 post in that game where you indicated that you were attempting to post less. > 4. I also pointed out 1 post after the game where you admitted that was your strategy. > Therefore, it appears that Guiri’s justification for being pinged by your limited posting is accurate. > > Additionally, it appears that your denial of using that as a tactic while Scum is inaccurate. (your confidence in your ability doesn’t mean you didn’t try to do it) > > Regarding the comments about the Masonry, I’ll allow other people to respond to you since you’re spouting off at me about baiting and smudging you. I still belive it foolish to demand that more masons claim. 1. My issue is that Guiri said it was my strategy to get the cop to waste a night on me. I don’t think that plan could ever work out as a Godfather would want it to be. Let alone with a Meeko Godfather in play. 2. I DID say that. 3. I don’t see a connection with your 3 and anything else. Can I not post less just for posting less sake? [As I mentioned, would it even matter, given my volume, at any alignment or role?] 4.What strategy did I admit to now? 😕 Guiris justification is in debate. Additionally, it appears that your denial of using that as a tactic while Scum is inaccurate. **(your confidence in your ability doesn’t mean you didn’t try to do it)** It would seem to me, that you have to prove your case here. You seem to be saying I DID do it. Before you go further here, I think you need to prove what you have alleged so far. You are the one who said “counterclaim” and you are implicitly daring a Mason to out him or herself in doing so. == Fishing. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1074 "2010-04-11T04:48:19Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > He didn’t ask for someone else to claim. He just asked for a little back-up to a claim already made. Asking for her to back-up her claim isn’t fishing. Asking for another person to claim is fishing. Asking for someone to provide additional, heretofore secret, information is fishing. Assume Cookies is Town. Assume Rysto is Scum. Rysto asking Cookies for more information, from her Role PM no less, that he does not have, IS FISHING. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1075 "2010-04-11T04:49:59Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > You are the one who said “counterclaim” and you are implicitly daring a Mason to out him or herself in doing so. == Fishing. I’ll ignore the part you don’t seem to understand. Maybe someone else can explain it to you. First off, I would encourage a Mason to counterclaim, but not until we hear from TexCat. If TexCat claims to not be a Mason, we know Cookies is lying. If TexCat claims to be a Mason, then I would encourage a real mason to counterlcaim. We’ll know at least 1 of the 3 are lying and possibly 2 of them. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1076 "2010-04-11T04:51:27Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Asking for someone to provide additional, heretofore secret, information is fishing. > > Assume Cookies is Town. > Assume Rysto is Scum. > > Rysto asking Cookies for more information, from her Role PM no less, that he does not have, IS FISHING. If Cookies is Town, then all she’s provided is a little back-up to her claim. And what could Rysto possibly gain from it? The ability to fake claim Mason? Hardly useful, eh? Cookies provided no additional information. Rysto asked for no additional information, just back-up for what Cookies already claimed. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1077 "2010-04-11T04:51:37Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Rysto asking Cookies for more information, from her Role PM no less, that he does not have, IS FISHING. I asked for the role PM because Cookies claimed to know that TexCat was actually Benedict Arnold, but that they had no offboard-communications. If she knew that, then the information would have to be in her PM. I wouldn’t necessarily think that a Mason would get that information in a role PM, so I wanted to see if her role PM matched her claim. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1078 "2010-04-11T04:59:38Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > If Cookies is Town, then all she’s provided is a little back-up to her claim. And what could Rysto possibly gain from it? The ability to fake claim Mason? Hardly useful, eh? > > Cookies provided no additional information. Rysto asked for no additional information, just back-up for what Cookies already claimed. then all she’s provided is a little back-up == Backpedal. And what could Rysto possibly gain from it? == Anything that Cookies would give him The ability to fake claim Mason? == Ok sure, this is a feasible answer, among others. Hardly useful, eh? == Don’t give me your applesauce. I flat out dislike your diction here. There is something wrong with it. I would call it a smudge or a mischaracterization of my comments, but I think they both fail to fit the bill of why I hate “” Hardly useful, **eh?** Just seems over the top inciting. Ed you seem to have trouble with timing. At the time Rysto asked Cookies for more information, it was Fishing. It remains Fishing. Cookies could have said ANYTHING, NOTHING, or EVERYTHING. and you know what? It remains Fishing. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1079 "2010-04-11T05:02:50Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > I asked for the role PM because Cookies claimed to know that TexCat was actually Benedict Arnold, but that they had no offboard-communications. If she knew that, then the information would have to be in her PM. I wouldn’t necessarily think that a Mason would get that information in a role PM, so I wanted to see if her role PM matched her claim. Just want to point out that there is no guarantee that Cookies posted a true, albeit snipped, role pm. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1080 "2010-04-11T05:03:45Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > I asked for the role PM because Cookies claimed to know that TexCat was actually Benedict Arnold, but that they had no offboard-communications. If she knew that, then the information would have to be in her PM. I wouldn’t necessarily think that a Mason would get that information in a role PM, so I wanted to see if her role PM matched her claim. For now, I’m satisfied with her claim. It would be a bold move for Scum to try to pull this off with more risk than reward. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=55)