# Random Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942 "2010-03-18T21:47:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1101 "2010-04-11T16:16:03Z")
To me, fishing means trying to get players to reveal information that will help scum substantially more than town. > [@Meeko](#): > > Just want to point out that there is no guarantee that Cookies posted a true, albeit snipped, role pm. I am well aware of this. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1102 "2010-04-11T16:44:29Z")
I can confirm that I am a mason and that Cookies is a mason. [750:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12283052&postcount=750) I really wanted Kelly to be replaced and not to just idle out. Probably Cookies thought that I should claim and leave her out of it for the time being – since I seem to be the one getting most of the heat. And I was finally getting around to deciding that was indeed the best path forward, but Cookies beat me to it. Lacking any counter-claims, I think town should accept our claims for the moment. We really need to lynch a scum and I hope with a reduced pool of suspects to concentrate on that we’ll be able to find one toDay. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1103 "2010-04-11T17:05:17Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I thought the Typo thing was a few chapters back. Are we really still hanging votes, in part, on Typos? (If you aren’t hanging it in part on typo, why bring it up?) This really pings me. Why wouldn’t Tom bring up Oredigger’s typo? It is an additional data point after all. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1104 "2010-04-11T18:29:30Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > This really pings me. Why wouldn’t Tom bring up Oredigger’s typo? It is an additional data point after all. It is incredible that you guys fail to understand me. Why would a messenger ping you, but not the message itself? One typo got us no where. Why would a new typo be any different? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1105 "2010-04-11T20:30:46Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Was that my M.O. for that game? > > A. Ok, Guiri (at the very least, all of you, at the max.) can no longer claim that he(?) doesn’t understand me. > > \*\*AND / OR \*\* > > B. That’s interesting. I didn’t think I was that organized in that game, or in any game, to pull something like that off. \*\*That is to say you are giving me more credit that I deserve here. \*\* > > It’s just interesting that you have that perception of the same events I was party to, when my perception of same comes no where close. I’m not sure how A and B can both be true. In the scum thread you stated you were going to limit your posts. **Drain** suggested posting once per page as a way to attract a Cop investigation and the throughout the rest of the scum threads you mentioned both your post count and your desire to be investigated. I thought these were linked and part of your strategy: > [@](#): > > Quote **Drain Bead** : “Meeko, you should probably measure your participation in the thread. Maybe a one post per page post count, like a pitch count. If someone calls you on it, just mention the post that someone made after you came in about how your posting a ton affected other people’s enjoyment of the game. Hopefully the minimal post count will be enough to get the Cop to investigate you.” > [@Meeko](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > 1. I am making a conscious effort to not spam the game thread with posts. Will this adversely affect my rep in the game? Or is my rate of posting such that it needs to be reduced, period regardless of alignment or role? > > Ed, as I recall the game all of these statements come either BEFORE or AFTER the game proper. **Meeko** , you subbed in on Dec 15th during Day2, this first quote from the scum thread was from Night2 on Dec 17th. This: > [@](#): > > And While I am at it, I will just ask Town ex post facto, My god, did my post count numbers not tip my hand this go around? was from Night 3 This: > [@](#): > > Godfather is. It’s a shame that "Town doesn’t trust me, especially when I have worked so hard this game on my post count, sob sob, sigh sigh etc etc. I thought this was my best game ever, not giving in to the scum that would bait me… [[Actually, I think this has been my best game ever, I should play all Mafia as a day 3 sub.]] was from Night 5. This: > [@](#): > > Good thing I kept my post count down throughout the game, or these last two days would have flagged me for sure. and this: > [@](#): > > Sorry for my play style blah blah blah, But I think my play is improving, were from Night 6. So I don’t see how “all of these statements come either BEFORE or AFTER the game proper.” You intentionally changed your play style and post quantity in that game, brought it up on numerous occasions in the scum thread and, after the game had finished, in the general thread. If you intention wasn’t explicitly to attract a Cop investigation (thus semi-confirming you as town), what were your intentions with this ploy? You have to agree that I had reasons to be “pinged” by your low post count yesterDay given the above. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1106 "2010-04-11T21:29:14Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > One typo got us no where. Why would a new typo be any different? Because the NAF typo (and yours) was in the name/profession, whereas Oredigger’s is in the “you win with the Town” section; thinking about how **sach** most likely created the PMs, the odds are he had a generic Town and generic Scum PM somewhere in a Word file or something, then typed in the name and profession, pasted in the wikipedia link, and typed in any power role info to modify the generic PM; I can’t see him re-typing “You win with the Town” every time. Which means the only person who could have made a typo was Oredigger, which means he must have falsified his PM. (We’ve already seen one Town player (storyteller) falsify his PM, so that alone is not iron-clad proof Oredigger is scum, but it’s an additional data point to go with his behavior.) ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1107 "2010-04-12T00:27:41Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I’m not sure how A and B can both be true. In the scum thread you stated you were going to limit your posts. **Drain** suggested posting once per page as a way to attract a Cop investigation and the throughout the rest of the scum threads you mentioned both your post count and your desire to be investigated. I thought these were linked and part of your strategy: > > **Meeko** , you subbed in on Dec 15th during Day2, this first quote from the scum thread was from Night2 on Dec 17th. > > This: was from Night 3 > > This: was from Night 5. > > This: and this: were from Night 6. > > So I don’t see how “all of these statements come either BEFORE or AFTER the game proper.” > > You intentionally changed your play style and post quantity in that game, brought it up on numerous occasions in the scum thread and, after the game had finished, in the general thread. If you intention wasn’t explicitly to attract a Cop investigation (thus semi-confirming you as town), what were your intentions with this ploy? > > You have to agree that I had reasons to be “pinged” by your low post count yesterDay given the above. \*\*We agree that I Wanted to be investigated in that game. We differ on the point that you apparently believe I succeeded in carrying out some plan. \*\* Re-reading what Drain said in that game, I am reminded how bad I felt about that. That is, I knew I wouldn’t do what was suggested there. **I find it interesting, that you are using my words in this game, on a few quotes of mine, to extend to other quotes.** You add on quotes of mine, from Nights 3, 5, and 6. I did not make a comment on THOSE quotes. You feel free to attribute my previous comments in this game, on to additional quotes, **OUT OF CONTEXT.** So I don’t see how “all of these statements come either BEFORE or AFTER the game proper.” They don’t. ““All”” refers to all of the statements that Ed asked about. Not the ones you are cherry picking. You intentionally changed your play style and post quantity in that game, brought it up on numerous occasions in the scum thread and, after the game had finished, in the general thread. If you intention wasn’t explicitly to attract a Cop investigation (thus semi-confirming you as town), what were your intentions with this ploy? Here’s the deal. I feel I can say anything at this point, and you will use it against me. You’ve already done it above. I honestly can’t remember enough of that game right now. Here is what I do know : I don’t think it matters much to THIS game. I think it matters that we are spending this much time on something that doesn’t matter. \*\* That is, scum are enjoying this, if not creating it. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1108 "2010-04-12T01:15:17Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > So I don’t see how “all of these statements come either BEFORE or AFTER the game proper.” > They don’t. ““All”” refers to all of the statements that Ed asked about. Not the ones you are cherry picking. 2 out of the 3 quotes I gave occurred during the game. They were also repeated by Guiri. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1109 "2010-04-12T01:16:02Z")
**Vote count:** \*\*Oredigger77 (5): \*\*voted by GuiriEnEspana [1032], TexCat [1035], special ed [1037], Drain Bead [1039], Tom Scud [1047] **TexCat (1):** voted by Meeko [1029] \*\*Tom Scud (1): \*\*voted by Mahaloth [1031] **Cookies (0):** voted by [del]Rysto [1028, 1051][/del] ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1110 "2010-04-12T01:21:36Z")
Reluctantly : **Unvote TexCat** You might be mason, might not. No space to argue that anymore. However, I fear a wagon coming on. Not sure who is going to lead it, but my vote will be for that person, at that time. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1111 "2010-04-12T04:15:56Z")
Are you fearing a wagon against you, Meeko or any wagon? What constitutes a wagon? **Vote Tom** for all of the reasons I used yesterDay, with a bit more emphasis on why his record stuck out at me. I’m also a bit surprised that he has not commented as to any implications of my claim. And losing the race to the noose with Chronos yesterday is another angle that doesn’t necessarily shine favorably on him. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1112 "2010-04-12T13:52:25Z")
Honestly, I’m feeling kind of burned out on Mafia at this point - I’ve played 5 or 6 games now, I think, and aside from one game where I withdrew on Day 1, my team has lost every time. Not seeing a lot of reward for putting in the effort. But yeah, I do believe your Mason claim - moreso because neither you nor TexCat were under serious pressure. But I don’t see how that makes your case notably stronger; because I voted 2 Masons on day 1? How the hell was I supposed to know that? I had my reasons in both cases; heck, you’ve said yourself that you would have been voting TexCat; does that mean you’re scummy? My response to Mahaloth’s vote is basically the same: I have voted for the player I’ve found most suspicious, except when I’ve voted tactically for the player I’ve found relatively most suspicious among the vote leaders (this includes my Kelly vote on Day 1 and my self-defense vote yesterday). ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1113 "2010-04-12T14:02:22Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Are you fearing a wagon against you, Meeko or any wagon? What constitutes a wagon? I fear I might have misspoke about a previous game, in this game. Not that that game has any bearing on this game, Not that my memory of that game is 100% perfect Not that I can recall of all of it, as it happened, Not that I can recall it happened how I wanted it to Not that I can draw the line between actions and thoughts that happened by me in that game. [It is hard to argue that you wanted something to happen in thought only, versus in thought and action.] **I feel the ““case”” that is, or will be made of this, against me will be very weak. It assumes somewhere down the line, that I have that much control over other people’s actions.** Short of a politician-type role, which is different than what I am expressing here, I think it is … interesting to look at a past game for distractions to pollute this game with. Not that anyone else in that game, or ever, could do that much better than me. I just feel that people are digging and digging and digging to come up with something, anything to get rid of me. Wagon? I guess that kinda is. I told the game that I was looking for, and have found work. Not that I worked much last week, but I don’t think the game would care that much for my personal life and schedule. I need to post less in all games. I have found something to occupy some of my time with. It (hopefully) will start to pay. Mafia doesn’t pay. So I’m gonna favor one over the other, up to the point where I will need Mafia to “break” from work. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1114 "2010-04-12T14:03:33Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Honestly, I’m feeling kind of burned out on Mafia at this point Glad to know it’s not just me. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1115 "2010-04-12T15:00:25Z")
Meeko, why are you defending yourself from a case that hasn’t even been made? Is anyone voting for you? If you are Town, you should be more concerned with finding Scum than with defending yourself, especially with no one voting for you. I don’t even see a case being built. 1 person was pinged by you for a legitimate reason. Then yu’ve gone on and on defending yourself against a little ping. This is where you’re digging a hole for yourself. Your facts aren’t right and people are just stating that you’re wrong, not Scum…just wrong. You’re taking your paranoia and whining to a new level. Stop being defensive and start helpiong us find Scum, please. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1116 "2010-04-12T19:01:27Z")
[OOG notice] My game time will be a little restricted from Wednesday this week to Wednesday next week, as my fiancee is coming over for a visit. Not only do I want to spend time with her, she sometimes wants to use the computer herself – and when she’s on I can’t be. I’ll keep up with the game though. [/OOG notice] The Mason claim. Making a false Mason claim is an inherently risky thing for an Infiltrator to do. In order to make it believable, there have to be at least two living players making the claim; if one person claims they were Masons with a dead group, why would we accept it? Unsupported claims are always justifiably met with scepticism. With two players tied together, _one_ counterclaiming player will reveal both of them as liars. Thus drawing a true mason counterclaim is only helpful in one limited set of circumstances – where the game is at LyLo, when a single mislynch wins. I’ve made a false Mason claim once, in Ragnarok Mafia. We were (iirc) fairly sure that there were no Masons to make a counterclaim though. Most of the time I had my heart in my mouth wondering when we’d be exposed – even though we had a firm grasp on the Detective, who had been exposed on Day 2. At this point, I think we can afford to accept the claim, provisionally. There are, I think, only four players who have not posted since DarkCookies claimed (excluding me) and no-one has counterclaimed yet. That means we have an “unknown pool” of eleven players that must house the Infiltrators, out of which I can eliminate only myself. I haven’t seen anything since Yesterday that makes me less suspicious of Oredigger. **Vote Oredigger77** More later. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1117 "2010-04-12T20:22:51Z")
The only time a false mason claim is worth it is if we’re a) at LyLo, b) have a chance of lynching Scum instead of Town, and possibly c) the Scum are relatively certain that we have no REAL Masons. I don’t think we’re at LyLo, although we’ve lost enough Town that the possibility exists sooner rather than later. As such, I’m willing to accept the Mason claim. I kinda long for the double-voting of Cecil Pond right now, because I’m somewhat concerned about the abandoning of the case against **Tom Scud**. Not sure why someone who came a couple votes away from the lynch yesterDay is being abandoned almost completely for **Oredigger** , and I’m _voting_ for **Oredigger**. I think **Tom** pointing out the typo thing is interesting, but even if **Digger** turns up Scum, I don’t think we can overlook the fact that **Tom** may be going for a bussing by pointing that out. Also, I want to point out that when the thread turns into the **Meeko** and **ed** show, we all suffer for it. Basically the entire last page has been like reading the teachers from Charlie Brown. I know they’re saying actual words, but all I’m hearing is “wah wah wah wah wah wah.” My eyes are glazing over, guys. Seriously, knock it off. **Meeko** , stop taking everything so personally. **ed** , stop poking at it over and over and over. It’s like teaching a pig to sing. It wastes all our time and just annoys the pig. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1118 "2010-04-13T00:34:59Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Also, I want to point out that when the thread turns into the **Meeko** and **ed** show, we all suffer for it. Basically the entire last page has been like reading the teachers from Charlie Brown. I know they’re saying actual words, but all I’m hearing is “wah wah wah wah wah wah.” My eyes are glazing over, guys. Seriously, knock it off. **Meeko** , stop taking everything so personally. **ed** , stop poking at it over and over and over. It’s like teaching a pig to sing. It wastes all our time and just annoys the pig. Do you think I’m doing this the same as I have in previous games? I’d like to hear your response because I think having you point it out is interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1119 "2010-04-13T01:41:00Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > My eyes are glazing over, guys. Seriously, knock it off. **Meeko** , stop taking everything so personally. **ed** , stop poking at it over and over and over. It’s like teaching a pig to sing. It wastes all our time and just annoys the pig. \*\*I’m not sure what good calling me a pig would do. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1120 "2010-04-13T01:44:44Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Do you think I’m doing this the same as I have in previous games? > > I’d like to hear your response because I think having you point it out is interesting. \*\*The pig stops chewing at the troth, looks up at Ed and opens his mouth agape, for the pig sure thought Ed was continuing on in his consistent forever and always “hate meeko” fashion. \*\* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=57)