# Random Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942 "2010-03-18T21:47:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 59
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1161 "2010-04-14T00:27:15Z")
OK, that the Drain is pinging me train of thought just got stopped. 1. She voted for Oredigger on Day 1 with a pretty weak case (almost all Day 1 cases are weak) 2. In looking back at my own vote for Oredigger towards the start of Day 3, it was actually Drain who brought up the issue first. Though,ironically, Drain was voting for Chronos, who Oredigger was casting his vote for. 3. Oredigger had gotten no votes at that point. OK, pings are back. It does strike me as plausible for a Scum to be casting suspicion on a teammate under no suspicion early. Here is drain’s vote: > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Yeah, it definitely looks like **Chronos** is trying to trump up cases against people. I don’t think it makes sense that he missed the “no” in that sentence, because if he did, what he was reading **Guiri** as saying was patently untrue according to the rules. For me to accept his explanation, I’d have to also accept that **Chronos** somehow didn’t notice that there are no third parties in this game, something that was explained in the rules posting and has been reiterated by quite a few players during the game itself. > > **vote Chronos** > > I’m also suspicious of **TexCat** for the bit of craziness about the flip upthread, but I can’t really see a scum motivation behind it–it’s not an idea that anyone would expect to gain traction, and could bring a lot of negative attention upon the one who brings it up. and her is Oredigger’s: > [@Oredigger77](#): > > I went back and looked through Chronos and in general he’s pretty clean. I really can’t find anything besides through twisting his statement to mean more then face value. On the other hand I am getting seriously pinged by the things that have been brought up toDAy (missing the non and ignoring arguments but pushing a case). > > For now I’m going to vote for him but I’m worried about creating another tie, we have time to break it, but I think the scum keep pushing us into situation where we have two strong candidates while they sit back and laugh. > > **Vote Chronos** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1162 "2010-04-14T00:31:44Z")
those 3 posts I just made were obviously compiled as I looked at a few things. I apologize that I seemed to be waffling, but I was…um…waffling. Waffles! It’s what’s for dinner tonight! yummy ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1163 "2010-04-14T13:17:56Z")
ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (0): [del]Rysto 1028 1051[/del] TexCat (0): [del]Meeko 1029 1110[/del] Tom Scud (1): [del]Mahaloth 1031 1133[/del], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 1111 Oredigger77 (9): GuiriEnEspaña 1032, TexCat 1035, special ed 1037, Drain Bead 1039, Tom Scud 1047, MHaye 1116, Rysto 1127, Mahaloth 1135, Red Skeezix 1136 Rysto (2): Oredigger77 1137, Meeko 1153 ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1164 "2010-04-14T13:29:18Z")
**vote Oredigger** It’s always nice to come back to a game and have an exact idea of what to do after a little mini-hiatus. If \*\*Oredigger \*\*flips scum, we’ll see. I’m inclined to believe with vote timing that he was protecting **TomScud** on day three, who I thought was scummy anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1165 "2010-04-14T13:43:46Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > If you were Town and you were self-protecting, wouldn’t you actually want to be the Scum kill target? > > I can see trying to avoid a NK. I can see self-protecting. But to have the thought to do both doesn’t really make sense, does it? The way I was looking at it was I was going to self protect until I had an idea of who the power roles were. A great example would be our now outed masons. But once the scum figured out who I was they would try and get me lynched. If they accidentally hit me with a Night kill then they would know who to push for a lynch the next Day. Even if I didn’t get lynched it would be better to stay off of the scum’s radar so I would have to play WIFOM with them for the rest of the game with my protection. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1166 "2010-04-14T20:01:13Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Is that your full PM? @ **Special Ed** , why did you ask? I noticed yet another typo (in the wiki link) and I expected it to include “You are the doctor” but I suppose the profession of Physician and power stated gives a clear enough idea… Did you notice something missing in the PM? @ **Rysto** , knowing your character was directly linked to your role, why did you suggest the name claim? I’m sure you realized you were going to have to false claim. In your vote analysis, is there any reason why you felt confident enough to put **OreDigger** ’s name in red but not your own in green? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1167 "2010-04-14T20:33:43Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > @ **Rysto** , knowing your character was directly linked to your role, why did you suggest the name claim? I’m sure you realized you were going to have to false claim. Yes, I did. I figured that: a) The discussion was inevitable so we might as well get it started as early as possible as an icebreaker b) I knew that I could easily claim a fake name so it wasn’t a big problem for me c) I figured that if I have to fake a claim, it was very possible that the scum would have to fake a claim, and that might help us d) It was possible that a mass claim could help a detective. In Batman, for example, the scum were all given names that were very obviously aligned with the scum(they were also given safe fake claims to use). There was also a cop role that could get the real name of any player. I figured that something similar could exist in this game, and then a mass claim would really help out such a cop role. > [@](#): > > In your vote analysis, is there any reason why you felt confident enough to put **OreDigger** ’s name in red but not your own in green? I didn’t put my name in green because of Pleonast in YSI. Long story short, Pleonast was scum in YSI and used a vote analysis technique. He was putting his own name in green, as it was, and that biased his results terribly. It allowed him to basically make honest arguments that pointed to townies as being scum. Ever since that, I’ve viewed any arguments based on that person knowing that they’re Town as being very dubious, and often scummy. Because of that, I’m pretty wary of asserting that I’m Town when it’s not proven(even though it will be very likely when Oredigger flips). ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1168 "2010-04-14T23:24:16Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > @ **Special Ed** , why did you ask? I noticed yet another typo (in the wiki link) and I expected it to include “You are the doctor” but I suppose the profession of Physician and power stated gives a clear enough idea… Did you notice something missing in the PM? I know I had a thought in mind aside from the typo, but I can’t for the life of me remember. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1169 "2010-04-15T02:25:10Z")
Rysto, a question while I continue to re-read everything you and Oredigger have said: What do you make of the case against Tom? My primary reason for being suspicious of you was the holes you were poking in my pre-claim case against him. Since all of your poking points against my pre-claim case were valid, I may just be punishing you for being a good rational Townie at the time. But now that two corroborating Mason claims are on the table, what do you think about Tom? The same question applies to everyone else too. Tom narrowly escaped the noose and instead Chronos the Townie was lynched. The new information introduced to the game (should you be willing to believe our Mason claims even if but for a moment) since the Tom was almost lynched was that we lynched a Townie instead and that Tom has a track record of building cases against apparent Masons. The new information paints a worse picture for Tom than before. Yet here we are not talking about him at all. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1170 "2010-04-15T02:55:55Z")
Cookies, I still have the same opinion about your case. Now that I know that you and TexCat are both masons, to be honest I think that you’ve OMGUSed him a bit. However, just because I disagree with your reasoning doesn’t mean that your conclusion was necessarily wrong. Drain OMGUSed me Day Two of Cecil Pond and I _was_ scum, even though the reasoning wasn’t very good. As I noted above, I intend to take a much closer look at Tom as a result of the close vote yesterDay, especially given that Oredigger’s biggest crime was a very poor vote for Chronos over Tom. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1171 "2010-04-15T03:19:49Z")
I’m less interested in your opinion about my particular case against Tom as I am about your (and others’) opinion on the collective case against Tom. And color me confused if you don’t consider Oredigger’s claim that you’re currently countering as something worth voting for him over, or am I misunderstanding what you meant by his vote against Chronos as his ‘biggest crime’? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1172 "2010-04-15T03:32:58Z")
What I meant was, the major reason that led to Oredigger getting his votes toDay was his actions yesterDay. He’s only picked up a couple more votes since my counter-claim. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1173 "2010-04-15T04:00:25Z")
I was originally suspicious of Tom on mostly gut, but I thought it might be OMGUS. I can’t say that I haven’t wanted him gone. He’s been like a little yapping terrier nipping at my heels the entire game. I will point out that Tom was one that pointed out the misspelling in Oredigger’s claim, and was one of the early voters for Oredigger. Of course, I’m guessing that Oredigger noticed the typo before any of us did and they have talked about it in the scum forum. So it could be part of a bussing Oredigger plan. And it is strange that Tom noticed it when he did, after only tunneling me every day. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1174 "2010-04-15T04:03:43Z")
I guess I see it as your claim as likely being a major reason why votes are staying on him, regardless of why they were there originally or where they might have been moved to if you hadn’t claimed as you did. It may be a subtle distinction, but one worth making. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1175 "2010-04-15T04:03:46Z")
NETA: I know that Tom will reply that he wasn’t tunneling me every day, and perhaps he might be right, but I will reply that it sure felt like it from this end and I have the terrier bites to show for it. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1176 "2010-04-15T04:05:58Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I guess I see it as your claim as likely being a major reason why votes are staying on him, regardless of why they were there originally or where they might have been moved to if you hadn’t claimed as you did. It may be a subtle distinction, but one worth making. I was actually previewing an unvote Oredigger post when Rysto claimed. I certainly would have move my vote had there not been a counter-claim. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1177 "2010-04-15T11:38:04Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I was actually previewing an unvote Oredigger post when Rysto claimed. I certainly would have move my vote had there not been a counter-claim. What was the message going to say? Did you have a new place to move your vote at the time? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1178 "2010-04-15T12:51:02Z")
I do find it curious that nobody’s talking about **Tom** (in fact, I think I mentioned that in an earlier post toDay) but seeing as we now have competing claims, it makes sense that nobody’s talking about **Tom**. Of course, there’s little to be gained at this point from hashing out the competing claims repeatedly–the Day is about to end and then we’ll know what’s going on there–we can discuss them, but it seems more productive to start planning for the next Day, and what to do if **Oredigger** turns up Scum. Obviously, we know what to do if he turns up Town. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1179 "2010-04-15T13:18:50Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I do find it curious that nobody’s talking about **Tom** (in fact, I think I mentioned that in an earlier post toDay) but seeing as we now have competing claims, it makes sense that nobody’s talking about **Tom**. Of course, there’s little to be gained at this point from hashing out the competing claims repeatedly–the Day is about to end and then we’ll know what’s going on there–we can discuss them, but it seems more productive to start planning for the next Day, and what to do if **Oredigger** turns up Scum. Obviously, we know what to do if he turns up Town. 😉 Well, Tom has by no means dropped off my radar. I’ve voted for him quite a bit, but with Oredigger getting a counter-claim thrown at him, I just think lynching Oredigger is better for toDay. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1180 "2010-04-15T13:38:30Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I do find it curious that nobody’s talking about **Tom** (in fact, I think I mentioned that in an earlier post toDay) but seeing as we now have competing claims, it makes sense that nobody’s talking about **Tom**. **Drain** , the exchange of posts between **Cookies** , **Rysto** and **TexCat** from [1169](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12343520&postcount=1169) to [1175](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12343778&postcount=1175) is a brief discussion between our 3 most likely townies almost exclusively about **Tom**. What are you trying to imply by your statement? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=58) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=60)