# Random Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942 "2010-03-18T21:47:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1281 "2010-04-22T00:10:01Z")
Oh, eff. **unvote Tom** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1282 "2010-04-22T00:15:15Z")
If nothing else, toDay seems to have given us a lot to look at and think about. We’ve got less than 19 hours left in the Day by my calculation. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1283 "2010-04-22T00:18:08Z")
Yeah, if the Masons could at least start spelling out their suspicions and start discussing in the thread who to vote for, that would be awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1284 "2010-04-22T00:20:24Z")
Sorry, that came off snippy and I didn’t mean it to be at all. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1285 "2010-04-22T00:48:32Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > And thank you, Captain “me, too”. I’m sure you’re damn busy these days which explains the ten posts in the last three weeks, three of which were “oh i guess i’ll still vote for Tom because I can’t be bothered to read or respond to his responses to me.” Uh, I don’t think I’ve been Captain “me too”. I’ve been busy a bit and I’ll admit I have not been super talkative, but “me too” is far from what I’ve been. In fact, I’ve had my votes out pretty early on most Days. I think I was later on Day One, but I’ve had(IMHO) early votes with support on most Days. 😕 Oh, and Guiri, I didn’t see your question until now(must have missed it). I’ve just re-read myself(from that day) now since it has been awhile, and I’m not sure I get what the problem/confusion is for you. I was saying, at the time of the vote, that at least story explains his votes. The next day, I think I was saying “i don’t get it” because of the detective revelation. I was saying, I don’t get his vote for me in relation to him being a detective. In fact, I clarified it, saying that he must have not found scum on his first investigation, since his vote rested on me, a townie. If he had found scum, his vote would have been on them. I mean, I didn’t think it was contradictory or forgetful at all. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1286 "2010-04-22T00:49:50Z")
Meh. I’ll make it easy. I’m done with this game (and by that I mean Mafia) _tout court_, I think. Either I die early and feel like a sap or I live a long time and it turns into this horrible chore that I hate; and then I get into a contested lynch that leaves me feeling emotionally strung out and pissy and exhausted (the pissiness above is real, Drain) in ways that mess with my real life. I don’t fucking WANT to play another week of this. So please allow me to introduce myself, I’m a man of not much wealth and no great taste. I shouted out, “Who killed the Kennedys?” when actually it was, well, me. And Sirhan Sirhan, seeing as how I was dead by then. My name is Lee Harvey Oswald, I am an Assassin, and I win with the Scum, and as noted above I’m done with this game. Apologies to the scum team, and to the rest of y’all for not carrying through with the game. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1287 "2010-04-22T01:58:22Z")
**vote Tom** I’ve never been so sad to be right. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1288 "2010-04-22T02:01:04Z")
And **Tom** , I’m really sorry. If the game is stressing you out, you need to step back. I did for a couple of years, actually, although part of that was due to being pregnant and then having a kid. FWIW, I think I was a lot harder on **ed** than I was on you, and I enjoy playing with you and hope you can come back to the game eventually with a fresh outlook. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1289 "2010-04-22T02:13:05Z")
You mean to tell me a Scum just claimed Scum? Meh. Only a game. **I doubt it’s true** , but, if he wants out. **Unvote Drain** **Vote Tom** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1290 "2010-04-22T02:37:47Z")
/OOG Freudian, are you in the market for some new [house shoes](http://www.mentalfloss.com/store/product.php?productid=16155)? /OOG ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1291 "2010-04-22T03:23:24Z")
I tend to forget how emotionally draining the game can be from time to time. It can be difficult when you feel like you have to argue against people who just don’t belive you. I came close to quitting a couple of games when I was newer, especially one where Santo Rugger was riding me hard because I wasn’t understanding him. Turns out I had good reason not to understand him anyway. I know from time to time I might seem like I’m harsh and overly critical. I hope everyone understands it’s all in the game for me. I don’t think you can get the same level of information when you’re all sweet and nice that you can when you’re persistent and prodding. I enjoy playing with everyone here and on Idle and Giraffe as well. Honestly, I really do. I might not appreciate everyone’s style of playing and/or communicating, but I don’t expect everyone to play the way I want them to, even while I reserve the right to demand that they do. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1292 "2010-04-22T03:24:57Z")
**unvote: Drain** **vote: Tom** ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1293 "2010-04-22T03:26:19Z")
Holy cow, have I been right about a single thing yet? YesterDay I was all ready to go and defend Digger and then he claimed Doc, and toDay I’m ready to defend Tom and then he confesses? Whatever, I’ll take it. **Vote Tom** ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1294 "2010-04-22T03:41:20Z")
I wish you the utmost success in your de-mafia-izing, Tom. You’re fun to play with and I hope you come back around. **Vote Tom** ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1295 "2010-04-22T03:58:02Z")
Ok. so gamestate analysis. This is going to be complicated by the fact that MHaye and Zeriel died without a cardflip. Let’s hope that they weren’t power roles. We have had 1 cop, 1 doctor, 1 vig and 3 masons in this game. Under Jexton’s point system, there are 4 points for the cop, 3 points for me, 2.5 for the vig and 7.5 points for the masons, that’s 17 points from our known power roles. We began with 20 players. Doing a bit of quick math, if there are no more power roles, then the game is exactly balanced with 5.6 scum. That doesn’t work out too well, so maybe there’s a scum power role out there. If there were a redirector or roleblocker, I should be dead right now. Scum wouldn’t want to leave me alive and risk the power role being killed. If there is a godfather, then 1 godfather plus 4 scum gives us 25.5 points for the scum and 26 points for the Town. So I agree with the people who are guessing that we had 5 scum in this game. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1296 "2010-04-22T04:05:42Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Ok. so gamestate analysis. This is going to be complicated by the fact that MHaye and Zeriel died without a cardflip. Let’s hope that they weren’t power roles. > > We have had 1 cop, 1 doctor, 1 vig and 3 masons in this game. Under Jexton’s point system, there are 4 points for the cop, 3 points for me, 2.5 for the vig and 7.5 points for the masons, that’s 17 points from our known power roles. We began with 20 players. Doing a bit of quick math, if there are no more power roles, then the game is exactly balanced with 5.6 scum. That doesn’t work out too well, so maybe there’s a scum power role out there. If there were a redirector or roleblocker, I should be dead right now. Scum wouldn’t want to leave me alive and risk the power role being killed. If there is a godfather, then 1 godfather plus 4 scum gives us 25.5 points for the scum and 26 points for the Town. So I agree with the people who are guessing that we had 5 scum in this game. sachertorte is not a firm believer in the JSexton pointing system. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1297 "2010-04-22T04:49:14Z")
**Day One** \*\*peekercpa \*\*(4): [del]Zeriel 151 190[/del], [del]TexCat 314 356[/del], Chronos 360, Meeko 383, Freudian Slit 478, Mahaloth 482 \*\*KellyCriterion \*\* (3): NAF1138 313, Jimmy Chitwood 484, Tom Scud 571 \*\*Chronos \*\* (3): [del]storyteller0910 416 564[/del], peekercpa 450, storyteller0910 [COLOR=Black]590, MHaye [/COLOR]591 **Drain Bead** (2): Zeriel 560, special ed 565 **TexCat** (1): Red Skeezix 316, [del]Tom Scud 328 571[/del], [del]peekercpa 346 450[/del] **Oredigger77** (1): Drain Bead 347 \*\*Red Skeezix \*\*(1): TexCat 356, [del]Freudian Slit 364 478[/del] \*\*Zeriel \*\*(1): [del]storyteller0910 564 567[/del], One And Only Wanderers 570 \*\*Rysto \*\*(1): GuiriEnEspaña 576 **Freudian Slit** (1): Rysto 577 \*\*NAF1138 \*\*(0): [del]One And Only Wanderers 179 288[/del], [del]KellyCriterion 242 244[/del] \*\*storyteller0910 \*\*(0): [del]peekercpa 116 201[/del] **One And Only Wanderers** (0): [del]Chronos 180 360[/del], [del]Jimmy Chitwood 184[/del], [del]Meeko 220 291[/del] \*\*Mahaloth \*\*(0): [del]Meeko 291 298[/del] **Not Voting** (2) : KellyCriterion, Oredigger77 **Day Two** **One And Only Wanderers** (8): Jimmy Chitwood 757, Oredigger77 760, Freudian Slit 763, Mahaloth 815, GuiriEnEspaña 855, Drain Bead 865, Zeriel 874, Chronos 882 **Freudian Slit** (8): Rysto 655, Meeko 666, Tom Scud 783, Red Skeezix 835, special ed 861, OAOW 871, TexCat 880, MHaye 885 \*\*Mahaloth \*\*(1): storyteller0910 833 **Jimmy Chitwood** (0): [del]Oredigger 717 734[/del], [del]One And Only Wanderers 751 871[/del], [del]TexCat 795 880[/del] **Drain Bead** (0): [del]Zeriel 715 874[/del] \*\*GuiriEnEspaña \*\*(0): [del]Chronos 803 882[/del] \*\*TexCat \*\*(0): [del]Tom Scud 706 783[/del] **Tom Scud** (0): [del]Mahaloth 787 815[/del] \*\*Meeko \*\*(0): [del]Freudian Slit 651 763[/del] **Day Three** \*\*Chronos \*\*(7): [del]special ed 924 995[/del], Red Skeezix 974, Drain Bead 984, Oredigger77 990, GuiriEnEspaña 1000, Tom Scud 1002, Rysto 1005, Jimmy Chitwood 1013 \*\*Tom Scud \*\*(4): Mahaloth 931, Zeriel 954, Chronos 971, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 986, [del]Jimmy Chitwood 1004 1013[/del] \*\*Oredigger77 \*\*(2): special ed 995, MHaye 1015 **Jimmy Chitwood** (1): TexCat 941 \*\*TexCat \*\*(1): [del]Tom Scud 969 1002[/del], Meeko 982 **Day Four** \*\*Oredigger77 \*\*(10): GuiriEnEspaña 1032, TexCat 1035, special ed 1037, Drain Bead 1039, Tom Scud 1047, MHaye 1116, Rysto 1127, Mahaloth 1135, Red Skeezix 1136, Zeriel 1164 \*\*Rysto \*\*(2): Oredigger77 1137, Meeko 1153 **Tom Scud** (1): [del]Mahaloth 1031 1133[/del], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 1111 \*\*ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies \*\*(0): [del]Rysto 1028 1051[/del] \*\*TexCat \*\*(0): [del]Meeko 1029 1110[/del] **Day Five(before Tom’s claim)** **Drain** (2): Special Ed 1225, Meeko 1256 **Tom** (3): Drain 1227, Mahaloth 1232, Red 1268 **Red** (1): Guiri 1246 **Meeko** (1): Tom 1264 **Player List:** **Alive** : Tom Scud special ed Red Skeezix Meeko Mahaloth GuiriEnEspana Cookies Rysto Drain Bead **Dead:** Oredigger Freudian Slit storyteller MHaye NAF1138 Jimmy Chitwood One and Only Wanderers Chronos Zeriel peekercpa TexCat That Day Three lynch is clearly the critical one. I would bet a significant amount of money that there is exactly one scum among Red Skeezix and Drain Bead. I doubt that scum would be so blatant as to vote three in a row in opposition to the Tom lynch, but that vote count really makes it look like they went in pretty heavily to save him. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1298 "2010-04-22T08:19:55Z")
An interesting night. **Tom** , sorry to see you go and sorry the game was no longer fun for you. I hope to play with you again. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > My name is Lee Harvey Oswald, I am an Assassin, and I win with the Scum, and as noted above I’m done with this game. So at least one scum has an evil name after all. I guess both **Drain** and **Mahaloth** (& **Cookies** ) get brownie points for their persistence in their case against **Tom** , well done guys. Another small point in **Drain** ’s favor is her unique profession, I doubt “Spiritual Leader of the Nation of Argentina” was a false claim. > [@Rysto](#): > > That Day Three lynch is clearly the critical one. I would bet a significant amount of money that there is exactly one scum among Red Skeezix and Drain Bead. I doubt that scum would be so blatant as to vote three in a row in opposition to the Tom lynch, but that vote count really makes it look like they went in pretty heavily to save him. Agreed, this makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1299 "2010-04-22T08:22:23Z")
Oops, forgot to vote. **Unvote** **Vote Tom Scud** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1300 "2010-04-22T11:52:22Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Another small point in **Drain** ’s favor is her unique profession, I doubt “Spiritual Leader of the Nation of Argentina” was a false claim. Although Eva Peron wouldn’t be universally considered a ‘good role’ just like many presidents. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=66)