# Random Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942 "2010-03-18T21:47:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1361 "2010-04-27T14:30:58Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > On the third hand, playing the distracted and apathetic Townie would be a viable scum play. > . I’m not apathetic, but I did make a mistake in my analysis. Let’s not lose the game because of a stupid mistake on a townie’s part. I mean, in terms of my pro-town playing, I was voting for Tom for the last three Days and was one of the first to push for it. I know that could be a scum bussing another scum, but think about it. I didn’t jump on and bus Tom at the last minute or add my vote to a pile of votes on several days. I suspected(correctly, by the way) that Tom was scum and made my case for it and voted it. Anyway, I did make a mistake, but I’m far from apathetic. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1362 "2010-04-27T15:03:38Z")
No offense meant to anyone, but this is a pet peeve of mine > **[Spread the Word: Inclusion](https://www.spreadtheword.global)** > > We think the world would be better if everyone were included. Around the world, exclusion and discrimination continue to divide people with and without intellectual and developmental disabilities. We are changing that with grassroots action for... ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1363 "2010-04-27T15:13:47Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > No offense meant to anyone, but this is a pet peeve of mine > > [http://www.r-word.org/](http://www.r-word.org/) It’s about using the word “retard” or “retarded”, guys. I teach as well and agree that it is a highly overused word, especially considering there are actual mentally retarded people deserve to not have the word thrown around to describe dumb things or ideas. We, in my school, also disallow the word “gay” to describe something lame or uncool. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1364 "2010-04-27T15:56:15Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > It’s about using the word “retard” or “retarded”, guys. I teach as well and agree that it is a highly overused word, especially considering there are actual mentally retarded people deserve to not have the word thrown around to describe dumb things or ideas. > > We, in my school, also disallow the word “gay” to describe something lame or uncool. Funny, almost every gay friend I have uses the word “gay” to describe something lame or uncool. Maybe I just have weird friends. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1365 "2010-04-27T16:09:25Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Nope. > > See my above. Town needs to play as a team. Only then do we stand a chance against scum. > > It’s one thing to self protect every single night. But do you have to tell the entire game? > > **There is a LOT of bad thinking** in Mafia, everything from selfish power roles to scum busing scum for town cred. > > Frankly, Mafia requires a certain level of intelligence. I assumed that everyone who played had it. I wonder now if anyone has it. > [@Meeko](#): > > **Vote Rysto.** > > I don’t really like either claim. However, I think the entire exchange is WIFOM / Scum would never do that. > > Rysto comes on with the “I am going to self protect for the rest of the game” and I think that it’s a dare at least, hubris at best. > > It boils down to something I can’t put my finger on. It’s close to the same “gut feeling” as others have said for Digger. Yet, in a few games that I have played in, I have made a move that wasn’t predictable. I make that move, and later retract it. > > Those types of moves that I am talking about, usually net scum, before I take them back. Let’s hope this is one of those moves, sans the taking it back part\*. > > - Not against taking it back, but I’m not sure what it would take to get me to move off of it. So in the space of less than an hour, Meeko declares that scum voting for scum is bad strategy, and then votes for me over Oredigger. :dubious: **Vote Meeko** Unfortunately it seems that everybody still living(only Z wasn’t was on Oredigger when Meeko made that first post). However, the way that Meeko phrased that makes me wonder if the scum had planned the bus in advance. In that case, the most interesting Oredigger voters are those who voted before me: GuiriEnEspaña 1032, TexCat 1035, special ed 1037, Drain Bead 1039, Tom Scud 1047, MHaye 1116 This is where the lack of reveal on MHaye and Zeriel’s deaths really hurt us. Still, it comes back again to Drain and ed. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1366 "2010-04-27T17:02:05Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Funny, almost every gay friend I have uses the word “gay” to describe something lame or uncool. Maybe I just have weird friends. Actually, this is my experience as well, but I know some people are quite offended by it, and they have a point, so there we have it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1367 "2010-04-27T21:43:32Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > If we do well toDay and nab Scum, toNight’s WIFOM game will make or break us, I think. Well. Funny thing about nabbing scum today. As long as I have the vote lead this is not going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1368 "2010-04-27T21:44:34Z")
\*\*What are our Opinions on Skeezix? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1369 "2010-04-27T22:09:53Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\*What are our Opinions on Skeezix? \*\* I’ve given mine. I have zero read on him at all. Let’s see. Oh, I see no reason not to put a vote out to go with my previous statements. \*\* Vote Meeko\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2010, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1370 "2010-04-27T22:40:30Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\*What are our Opinions on Skeezix? \*\* He’s a pretty swell guy, what with his rugged good looks and rapier like wit. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1371 "2010-04-28T01:52:39Z")
You know, there would be a great sense of humor to all of this, if we were at Ly/Lo. Make no mistake Town, you deserve my death\*\*\*\*\*. \*\*\*\*\* Once I’m confirmed, hopefully you will understand what I meant here. I highly doubt it, but if you guys can admit to the problem, well, there are only 11 more steps, right? Related, it has been said that insanity is doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results. I wonder how much of _that_, as far as it pertains to Mafia games I am in, that I don’t own. I wonder who gets the remainder. Blah blah blah, but I am town, blah blah blah. [It makes no difference what I type, I doubt anyone reads it, or this, anyway.] ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1372 "2010-04-28T01:56:15Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > So in the space of less than an hour, Meeko declares that scum voting for scum is bad strategy, and then votes for me over Oredigger. You assume that Town can’t make the “scum voting for scum is bad” argument. That, or you just re-confirmed that I have ADHD. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1373 "2010-04-28T12:36:37Z")
How do you know we’re **not** at LyLo, **Meeko**? Also, you’d be a lot more convincing in the whole “Town can make the Scum voting for Scum argument” if you’d actually voted for Scum there, especially given the fact that there was really no reason for **Rysto** to counterclaim if he were Scum (unless the Scum happened to somehow know there was no Town Doctor, which is possible but not plausible). ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1374 "2010-04-28T16:02:54Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > How do you know we’re **not** at LyLo, **Meeko**? > > Also, you’d be a lot more convincing in the whole “Town can make the Scum voting for Scum argument” if you’d actually voted for Scum there, especially given the fact that there was really no reason for **Rysto** to counterclaim if he were Scum (unless the Scum happened to somehow know there was no Town Doctor, which is possible but not plausible). Uhm, I don’t know if we are, or not.\*\* I believe the word “were” would suffice either way. \*\* \*\*I don’t know how Town can be sure they are voting for scum, before the reveal. \*\* At worst, call it me falling for a WIFOM. At best, understand that I realize that Town in all future games, are going to have to change their game up. Apparently, I’m the only one bothered by the Scum domination of these later games, enough to actually do something about it. Be the change you want to see in Mafia. Or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1375 "2010-04-28T16:16:57Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I’ve given mine. I have zero read on him at all. > > Let’s see. Oh, I see no reason not to put a vote out to go with my previous statements. **FWIW I take issue with this vote.** Scum could make neutral observations about everybody. They could then board a wagon on town with a simple **Me Too!**. I mean, If you go around saying things about everybody, it would be all to easy to simply nod to the argument later and place a vote. **It would be a good strategy for Scum to start arguments on everyone. Then, once someone else forwards the argument into a wagon, that scum player could come back and board the wagon with less attention on them. They would sneak aboard the wagon, increase a vote on the innocent, and fear no retribution.** ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1376 "2010-04-28T18:04:59Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Uhm, I don’t know if we are, or not.\*\* I believe the word “were” would suffice either way. \*\* I think the normal construction to get that point across would be “if we ARE at LyLo.” If we were implies something that is not, as in “If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.” ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1377 "2010-04-28T18:11:32Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I think the normal construction to get that point across would be “if we ARE at LyLo.” If we were implies something that is not, as in “If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.” > [@Meeko](#): > > You know, **there would be** a great sense of humor to all of this, **if we were** at Ly/Lo. Bolding is mine. I also snipped myself, but I don’t think I mind. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1378 "2010-04-28T18:32:27Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > **I don’t know how Town can be sure they are voting for scum, before the reveal.** We can’t. I’m not sure where you see anyone saying that they’re sure of anything. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1379 "2010-04-28T18:39:54Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > We can’t. I’m not sure where you see anyone saying that they’re sure of anything. We can’t be sure, but we can be more sure than not, and in the context of the **Oredigger** vs. **Rysto** claim and counterclaim, it would make no sense for **Rysto** to have been the Scum in that situation. If **Digger** had been Town, at that point the Scum know that he’s the Doctor, and they can plan accordingly. There’s no sense in risking a one-for-one trade at that point with a player who, IIRC, wasn’t getting any heat at that point. Scum’s main daytime goal is to expose Town power roles, not necessarily to get them lynched. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1380 "2010-04-28T18:40:51Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Apparently, I’m the only one bothered by the Scum domination of these later games, enough to actually do something about it. What are you calling Scum domination? Of the games I’ve played in recently, it seems Town has won more often than not. Maybe that’s not the case for you. This seems like a diversion. You’re asking us to focus on something that isn’t in the game. I think you want the people who are voting for you to conclude as follows: 1. Scum has been winning lately. 2. Town must be doing something wrong. 3. I think Meeko is acting Scummy. 4. Therefore, since Town has done badly, I must be wrong and Meeko must be Town. I’m just not going to buy into that theory. I do realize Town has lost some the last 2 games on SDMB. I can attribute this to: 1. Good Scum play. (Cecil Pond) 2. Mistakes made by Town. (Cecil Pond and Colorless) However, that doesn’t mean I’m going to throw out all logic and analysis because it hasn’t worked in. I think there are lessons to be learned (e.g., Vigilante behavior in Colorless), but, overall, I’m going to stick with my best ideas in terms of hunting Scum. That said, if you have some idea of how to hunt Scum differently and more effectively, I’m willing to listen. But please don’t jsut tell me I’m wrong, because that’s not helpful. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=70)