# Random Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942 "2010-03-18T21:47:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1441 "2010-05-03T22:00:24Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I’m going to do the same and > > **vote Red Skeezix** > > because he continues to find no one suspicious, and that to me is suspicious. It’s possible that I might do some research and change my mind. > > I’m still stunned, honestly, that Meeko wasn’t Scum. I’m not sure how he came to the conclusion to vote for Rysto over Oredigger. Obviously, even the Scum saw it as the obvious vote. > > @ Red, I was only willing to have the modkill happen to end the game if we’re bound and determined to lynch me instead of awaiting until Thursday. I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear. Are you confusing me with **Mahaloth**? It sure seems like it, from where I’m sitting anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1442 "2010-05-03T22:03:14Z")
I dunno, **ed**. I don’t see people “bound and determined” to lynch you at this point. You’ve gotten two votes. Certainly not insurmountable. Convince me you’re not Scum. Go back and look at yourself, and don’t make a case against yourself, make a case for yourself. When you post an analysis of Day One and sum it up by essentially saying “I look Scummy,” it doesn’t exactly give us the most confidence in you. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2010, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1443 "2010-05-03T22:05:34Z")
And, I’ve decided I like the Drain Bead summary I made best for scum. I’m still considering the other cases, but I really should take a stand with my convictions right now. And I’m not entirely sold on Bad Idea = Scum. **vote Drain Bead** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1444 "2010-05-03T22:19:10Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I dunno, **ed**. I don’t see people “bound and determined” to lynch you at this point. You’ve gotten two votes. Certainly not insurmountable. Convince me you’re not Scum. Go back and look at yourself, and don’t make a case against yourself, make a case for yourself. When you post an analysis of Day One and sum it up by essentially saying “I look Scummy,” it doesn’t exactly give us the most confidence in you. 1. If there are 2 Scum, Cookies vote seals my/our doom. 2. No, I won’t try to convince you of anything. 3. I’m done posting summaries of anything. If you want something to analize, I point you in the direction of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2010, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1445 "2010-05-03T22:21:56Z")
> [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > Are you confusing me with **Mahaloth**? It sure seems like it, from where I’m sitting anyways. What do you mean? I’ve found plenty of people suspicious and was an early voter to get Tom, who(if you have forgotten) turned out to be scum. Ed, I have no idea what Meeko was thinking with the Rysto vote. It is what it is. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1446 "2010-05-03T22:22:25Z")
> [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > Are you confusing me with **Mahaloth**? It sure seems like it, from where I’m sitting anyways. I’m not at all confused, but I do imagine you might be. If not yet, you will ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2010, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1447 "2010-05-03T22:24:26Z")
[QUOTE=Special Ed] @ Red, I was only willing to have the modkill happen to end the game if we’re bound and determined to lynch me instead of awaiting until Thursday. I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear. [/QUOTE] I’ve never commented on his idea of suicide-by-modkill. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > What do you mean? I’ve found plenty of people suspicious and was an early voter to get Tom, who(if you have forgotten) turned out to be scum. Feeling a bit jumpy? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2010, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1448 "2010-05-03T22:24:32Z")
NETA: be ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2010, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1449 "2010-05-03T22:27:06Z")
> [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > I’ve never commented on his idea of suicide-by-modkill. very true, on that point, I was confused. Well, no, just wrong. **unvote Red** **vote Drain** ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1450 "2010-05-04T00:08:15Z")
And two of the unconfirmed are now voting for me. Telling? If **Mahaloth** jumps on, we’re fucked. And I’m not comfortable at all having him determine my fate, since I think he’s Scum. **Ed** , you have to consider that this is almost certainly LyLo. Because of this, if you are Town, you need to move votes off of you. You’re not just convincing me, even though I’m the one pushing you. If you’re Town, the only way you can prevail right now is if you convince **Cookies** to unvote you and vote for Scum. That’s why I don’t like your fatalistic attitude right now–it’s the attitude that someone who won’t necessarily lose by dying would have. If you’re Town, do me a favor and _play to win_. I’d like my team to win, damn it. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1451 "2010-05-04T00:11:29Z")
Also, you went from thinking I’m Town yesterDay and Dawn, to being more sure that I’m Scum than anyone else in the game. What happened to change your perception, other than my vote for you, and **Red** voting for me? What in particular did I do to change your estimation? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1452 "2010-05-04T00:13:44Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Also, you went from thinking I’m Town yesterDay and Dawn, to being more sure that I’m Scum than anyone else in the game. What happened to change your perception, other than my vote for you, and **Red** voting for me? What in particular did I do to change your estimation? but don’t you see, with your vote for me, Town loses, especially if you’re Town. So, um…why are you asking me to remove my vote from you while your vote for me does exactly what you’re complaining against…cause Town to lose? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1453 "2010-05-04T00:22:16Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > **Ed** , you have to consider that this is almost certainly LyLo. Because of this, if you are Town, you need to move votes off of you. You’re not just convincing me, even though I’m the one pushing you. If you’re Town, the only way you can prevail right now is if you convince **Cookies** to unvote you and vote for Scum. That’s why I don’t like your fatalistic attitude right now–it’s the attitude that someone who won’t necessarily lose by dying would have. I only need to move Town votes off of me, not all votes. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1454 "2010-05-04T00:45:07Z")
> [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > Feeling a bit jumpy? Uh, no. Why? You tried to put things on me that weren’t accurate. That’s not jumpy; it’s accurate defense. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1455 "2010-05-04T00:51:04Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I only need to move Town votes off of me, not all votes. Hence my saying that you need **Cookies** to move her vote off of you. In truth, my vote goes where **Cookies** does, provided it’s not on me. My suspicion list is basically you, Mahaloth, then Red. I’d wholeheartedly prefer it if **Cookies** voted for one of the first two on my list, of course, but as our only confirmed Town, **Cookies** is free to do as she wishes. And I wasn’t asking you to remove your vote from me (although it would be nice), I was asking you to justify your change in thinking, which your answer did not do. In fact, your answer addressed something completely outside of the post it quoted. So I’ll ask again, and this time please do not dodge. YesterDay you thought I was Town. Earlier toDay you thought I was Town. What specifically, other than my vote for you and the fact that I picked up a vote from **Red** , did I do to suddenly jump me up ahead of the other two unconfirmeds? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1456 "2010-05-04T01:04:53Z")
I’m still putting my cases together, but I’ve been quite clear all day that the two votes I’ve placed have been placeholders. Don’t you think it is more insightful to look at the big picture than just how the posts and votes have gone toDay? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1457 "2010-05-04T01:45:24Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Hence my saying that you need **Cookies** to move her vote off of you. In truth, my vote goes where **Cookies** does, provided it’s not on me. My suspicion list is basically you, Mahaloth, then Red. I’d wholeheartedly prefer it if **Cookies** voted for one of the first two on my list, of course, but as our only confirmed Town, **Cookies** is free to do as she wishes. > > And I wasn’t asking you to remove your vote from me (although it would be nice), I was asking you to justify your change in thinking, which your answer did not do. In fact, your answer addressed something completely outside of the post it quoted. So I’ll ask again, and this time please do not dodge. YesterDay you thought I was Town. Earlier toDay you thought I was Town. What specifically, other than my vote for you and the fact that I picked up a vote from **Red** , did I do to suddenly jump me up ahead of the other two unconfirmeds? Let me try another answer. Yes. No? Maybe! Sorry, at this point in the game, I’m not going to try to convince you of anything nor do I particularly care what your opinion is. No offense intended. No, that’s a lie. I do care about your opinion, but I’m not going to try to influence it. PS\< you did nothing, other players increased their relative scumminess. I thought I was clear. When you voted for Meeko early, it increased your ‘towniness’ in my eyes (I was sure Meeko was Scum at that point.) And Red’s defense of Meeko made him appear more Scummy. And Mahaloth’s play didn’t appear too pro-Town motivated. Of course, Meeko flipped Town and that sorta changed things, now didn’t it. Now, go on and build a case or something and stop worrying about what I’m doing. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1458 "2010-05-04T01:46:42Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I’m still putting my cases together, but I’ve been quite clear all day that the two votes I’ve placed have been placeholders. Very clear, thanks. > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Don’t you think it is more insightful to look at the big picture than just how the posts and votes have gone toDay? Yes, No? Maybe! ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1459 "2010-05-04T14:41:08Z")
**Tuesday morning vote count:** special ed (2) Voted by: Cookies 1427, Drain Bead 1428 Drain Bead (2) Voted by: Red Skeezix 1443, special ed 1449 Red Skeezix (0) Voted by: [del]Cookies 1411 1427[/del], [del]special ed 1439 1449[/del] ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1460 "2010-05-04T18:34:48Z")
Spoiler boxed so as not to totally eff up the thread. **Day/Night One** [Gets angry at peeker for his whole voting a strong player on Day One idea](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243553&postcount=122) [Disagrees with NAF about whether Scum need to fish. Says he’s seen a few fishing attempts made by Scum.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243774&postcount=130) [Agrees with mass name claim.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243777&postcount=131) [Thinks that the roles in Random Mafia are truly random.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243823&postcount=137) [Is the first to name claim, after I had asked how we determine the order](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243840&postcount=140) [Says that fishing nabbed Scum on Day One in another game.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243849&postcount=142) [Explains some past game history to Meeko](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243856&postcount=143) [Comes to an agreement with NAF about the fishing thing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243937&postcount=150) [Asks Freudian why she’s asking for Peeker’s role](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12247557&postcount=230) [Asks Freudian if she meant to ask for Peeker’s name instead](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12247564&postcount=232) [Says that the blue text in post 122 was not meant to be a vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12247621&postcount=234) [Asks if we know if the Scum knows one another’s names from the rules, in response to a Meeko post where he insinuated that they did](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12248903&postcount=249) [Justifies the name claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12248907&postcount=250) [Says he checked the rules and they don’t say the Scum know one another, asks Meeko how he knew this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12248917&postcount=251) [Ed’s longest post of the Day, arguing with Meeko about the Scum name issue, and whether names have connection to roles.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12249905&postcount=274) [Another episode of the ed/Meeko show. Says he’s not trying to bait Meeko. Accuses Meeko of PIS.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12250400&postcount=280) [Thinks he misunderstood what Meeko was initially saying about Scum knowing one another’s names. Goes back on his accusations of PIS against Meeko. Says he’s not picking on him.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12250457&postcount=282) [Reminds peeker that he’s a shitty Vig](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12253395&postcount=334) [Says that peeker’s video name claim wasn’t clear](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12254123&postcount=342) [Says that he didn’t take offense when peeker told him to fuck off after he reminded him that he was a shitty vig](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12254128&postcount=343) 😉 [Tells Meeko that he just made a really good post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12254939&postcount=357) [Says peeker is often confusing, and he outed peeker as Scum in one game because he wasn’t confusing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12254985&postcount=358) [Tells peeker that his style of communicating is what gets people to vote for him](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12255034&postcount=361) [Attempts to place his first video wicked witch claim in context, determines that it appears to be a defense of his joke vote for storyteller and not an actual claim. Figures out that the first thing that could have been determined to be a peeker claim was after the 11th claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12255063&postcount=363) [Jumps on Freudian for making an unprovoked Day One vanilla claim, asks why she made a post about TexCat but voted for Red](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12255090&postcount=366) [Figures out that Freudian’s Red vote was because his vote for TexCat was bad. Calls it a weak vote but says he at least understands it now.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12255099&postcount=367) [Asks if Peeker is claiming 3rd party](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12255106&postcount=369) [Says why he thinks Freudian’s unprovoked vanilla claim is bad–because it’s a good place for Scum to hide, and if she’s really a power role she has to admit she lied later.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12255120&postcount=371) (A bit of commentary here–he does not mention the fact that she made the pool for power roles to hide in smaller for the Scum, which is generally why unprovoked vanilla claims are bad. Not sure if this means anything or not.) [Points out what he thinks was a third party claim from peeker](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12255144&postcount=375) [Another long post. Says that peeker was being obtuse and confusing. Says that people don’t like to decipher peeker’s playstyle.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12256387&postcount=396) [Tells peeker that people object to the style of his play, not the amount of his participation. Begs him to be clear.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12257150&postcount=412) [Says that peeker did not provide the proper context for his video roleclaim.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12257891&postcount=437) [Comes up with a potential scummy motivation for peeker’s obfuscation in his roleclaim, that he could have been waiting for more people to claim bad or evil roles.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12257909&postcount=440) [Again points out that peeker’s claim seemed more a response to Zeriel’s vote for peeker than a roleclaim.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12257938&postcount=442) [Tells peeker that this game has nothing to do with the last game, asks him again what about his post made it obvious that it was a roleclaim.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12257999&postcount=445) [Asks peeker how his link about Elizabeth Berkley wasn’t a roleclaim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12258004&postcount=446) [Asks the same question about what in his post made it a claim to peeker yet again.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12258589&postcount=452) [Says he’ll let it go because it’s not worth basing a vote on, but is concerned that peeker either doesn’t see the issue or is being deliberately obtuse.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12258626&postcount=455) [Wants peeker to be more clear in the future.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12258656&postcount=458) [Says that Jimmy’s “town is shooting itself in the bung” comment is pinging him. Asks Jimmy what his point is regarding OAOW/Meeko](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12258708&postcount=460) [Says that peeker’s defense in every game is to call the people voting him Scum or misguided Townie](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12261372&postcount=495) [More on the peeker claim issue about how people couldn’t tell it was a claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12261399&postcount=496) [Points out Meeko backing up a vote for personal reasons even though Meeko thinks that votes on him are personal.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12261407&postcount=497) [Says it’s weird that Meeko is giving Kelly a pass based on the odds.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12261421&postcount=498) [preemptive Meeko snark](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12261571&postcount=502) [Clarifies that the snark was about Meeko](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12261715&postcount=504) [Again, more arguing with peeker about the claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12262244&postcount=524) [Says that he now gets that peeker was breadcrumbing his claim with the video, but is not sure why he needed to. Says that he’s hesitant to vote peeker because he always does, but he’s the most suspicious player right now.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12262393&postcount=525) [More snark on Meeko, asks him where anyone says he was Scum protecting another Scum](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12262727&postcount=530) [One word answer to Meeko’s response.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12262777&postcount=533) [One word answer to Meeko asking what we should make of the dead mayor](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12262789&postcount=535) [Another post arguing with peeker about the name claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12262862&postcount=539) [Snark on peeker. I think. I’m not really sure what this meant.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12262890&postcount=542) [Joke post, I think, posting a video.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12263190&postcount=547) [Votes for me. Thinks I am setting up an “I told you so” case if peeker is Town. Thinks I’m not paying attention to the case against peeker.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12264808&postcount=565) [Points out that the rules allow Night strategy.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12265808&postcount=601) [Defense of Kelly, says that it looks like someone who posted as they caught up, voting when the case was presented and unvoting when he saw the arguments against it.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12265816&postcount=602) [Says that he often does catch-up posting, in response to Jimmy thinking that was more of a Scum move.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12265844&postcount=607) \*\*\*end of Day One, peeker dies, is Town. [Posts links to some old games.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12265937&postcount=619) [Missed a game in his links post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12266138&postcount=624) **Possible Town Indicators** –First to name-claim. –Very high participation. **Possible Scum Indicators** –In Post 280, he accuses Meeko of PIS. Now, I don’t know if this is on the level of third-vote-as-Scum-tell, but I’ve often thought that people who point out potential PIS slips, especially early in the game, are more likely than not to be Scum, either bussing another teammate or trying to set up an easy case on Town. This has played out in the last few games I’ve been in. But that’s more gut with me than anything else. –More importantly, he practically drives the peeker wagon, to the point of bringing it up repeatedly after he said he’d drop it, and then ends the Day voting for me. First he says that peeker isn’t worth a vote for his behavior. Then he says that he’s the most suspicious person, and I can’t really see that much changed in the discussion between him. But he still refuses to vote for him, and votes for me instead. Just seems Scummy to me–keep poking at peeker, rile him up, watch as the votes pile up on him, but keep your hands clean in the end by making sure your vote is on someone else. Day/Night Two to follow…I’m on page 17 of a 37 page thread right now, and not getting any work done. 😉 Also, I find it easier to go through the thread itself rather than search it by username, especially with someone as prolific as **ed**. If I miss a post, I apologize. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=72) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=74)