# Random Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942 "2010-03-18T21:47:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 74
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1461 "2010-05-04T18:52:32Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Spoiler boxed so as not to totally eff up the thread. > > **Day/Night One** > > [Gets angry at peeker for his whole voting a strong player on Day One idea](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243553&postcount=122) > [Disagrees with NAF about whether Scum need to fish. Says he’s seen a few fishing attempts made by Scum.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243774&postcount=130) > [Agrees with mass name claim.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243777&postcount=131) > [Thinks that the roles in Random Mafia are truly random.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243823&postcount=137) > [Is the first to name claim, after I had asked how we determine the order](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243840&postcount=140) > [Says that fishing nabbed Scum on Day One in another game.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243849&postcount=142) > [Explains some past game history to Meeko](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243856&postcount=143) > [Comes to an agreement with NAF about the fishing thing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243937&postcount=150) > [Asks Freudian why she’s asking for Peeker’s role](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12247557&postcount=230) > [Asks Freudian if she meant to ask for Peeker’s name instead](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12247564&postcount=232) > [Says that the blue text in post 122 was not meant to be a vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12247621&postcount=234) > [Asks if we know if the Scum knows one another’s names from the rules, in response to a Meeko post where he insinuated that they did](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12248903&postcount=249) > [Justifies the name claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12248907&postcount=250) > [Says he checked the rules and they don’t say the Scum know one another, asks Meeko how he knew this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12248917&postcount=251) > [Ed’s longest post of the Day, arguing with Meeko about the Scum name issue, and whether names have connection to roles.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12249905&postcount=274) > [Another episode of the ed/Meeko show. Says he’s not trying to bait Meeko. Accuses Meeko of PIS.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12250400&postcount=280) > [Thinks he misunderstood what Meeko was initially saying about Scum knowing one another’s names. Goes back on his accusations of PIS against Meeko. Says he’s not picking on him.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12250457&postcount=282) > [Reminds peeker that he’s a shitty Vig](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12253395&postcount=334) > [Says that peeker’s video name claim wasn’t clear](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12254123&postcount=342) > [Says that he didn’t take offense when peeker told him to fuck off after he reminded him that he was a shitty vig](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12254128&postcount=343) 😉 > [Tells Meeko that he just made a really good post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12254939&postcount=357) > [Says peeker is often confusing, and he outed peeker as Scum in one game because he wasn’t confusing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12254985&postcount=358) > [Tells peeker that his style of communicating is what gets people to vote for him](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12255034&postcount=361) > [Attempts to place his first video wicked witch claim in context, determines that it appears to be a defense of his joke vote for storyteller and not an actual claim. Figures out that the first thing that could have been determined to be a peeker claim was after the 11th claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12255063&postcount=363) > [Jumps on Freudian for making an unprovoked Day One vanilla claim, asks why she made a post about TexCat but voted for Red](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12255090&postcount=366) > [Figures out that Freudian’s Red vote was because his vote for TexCat was bad. Calls it a weak vote but says he at least understands it now.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12255099&postcount=367) > [Asks if Peeker is claiming 3rd party](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12255106&postcount=369) > [Says why he thinks Freudian’s unprovoked vanilla claim is bad–because it’s a good place for Scum to hide, and if she’s really a power role she has to admit she lied later.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12255120&postcount=371) (A bit of commentary here–he does not mention the fact that she made the pool for power roles to hide in smaller for the Scum, which is generally why unprovoked vanilla claims are bad. Not sure if this means anything or not.) > [Points out what he thinks was a third party claim from peeker](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12255144&postcount=375) > [Another long post. Says that peeker was being obtuse and confusing. Says that people don’t like to decipher peeker’s playstyle.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12256387&postcount=396) > [Tells peeker that people object to the style of his play, not the amount of his participation. Begs him to be clear.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12257150&postcount=412) > [Says that peeker did not provide the proper context for his video roleclaim.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12257891&postcount=437) > [Comes up with a potential scummy motivation for peeker’s obfuscation in his roleclaim, that he could have been waiting for more people to claim bad or evil roles.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12257909&postcount=440) > [Again points out that peeker’s claim seemed more a response to Zeriel’s vote for peeker than a roleclaim.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12257938&postcount=442) > [Tells peeker that this game has nothing to do with the last game, asks him again what about his post made it obvious that it was a roleclaim.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12257999&postcount=445) > [Asks peeker how his link about Elizabeth Berkley wasn’t a roleclaim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12258004&postcount=446) > [Asks the same question about what in his post made it a claim to peeker yet again.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12258589&postcount=452) > [Says he’ll let it go because it’s not worth basing a vote on, but is concerned that peeker either doesn’t see the issue or is being deliberately obtuse.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12258626&postcount=455) > [Wants peeker to be more clear in the future.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12258656&postcount=458) > [Says that Jimmy’s “town is shooting itself in the bung” comment is pinging him. Asks Jimmy what his point is regarding OAOW/Meeko](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12258708&postcount=460) > [Says that peeker’s defense in every game is to call the people voting him Scum or misguided Townie](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12261372&postcount=495) > [More on the peeker claim issue about how people couldn’t tell it was a claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12261399&postcount=496) > [Points out Meeko backing up a vote for personal reasons even though Meeko thinks that votes on him are personal.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12261407&postcount=497) > [Says it’s weird that Meeko is giving Kelly a pass based on the odds.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12261421&postcount=498) > [preemptive Meeko snark](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12261571&postcount=502) > [Clarifies that the snark was about Meeko](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12261715&postcount=504) > [Again, more arguing with peeker about the claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12262244&postcount=524) > [Says that he now gets that peeker was breadcrumbing his claim with the video, but is not sure why he needed to. Says that he’s hesitant to vote peeker because he always does, but he’s the most suspicious player right now.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12262393&postcount=525) > [More snark on Meeko, asks him where anyone says he was Scum protecting another Scum](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12262727&postcount=530) > [One word answer to Meeko’s response.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12262777&postcount=533) > [One word answer to Meeko asking what we should make of the dead mayor](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12262789&postcount=535) > [Another post arguing with peeker about the name claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12262862&postcount=539) > [Snark on peeker. I think. I’m not really sure what this meant.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12262890&postcount=542) > [Joke post, I think, posting a video.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12263190&postcount=547) > [Votes for me. Thinks I am setting up an “I told you so” case if peeker is Town. Thinks I’m not paying attention to the case against peeker.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12264808&postcount=565) > [Points out that the rules allow Night strategy.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12265808&postcount=601) > [Defense of Kelly, says that it looks like someone who posted as they caught up, voting when the case was presented and unvoting when he saw the arguments against it.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12265816&postcount=602) > [Says that he often does catch-up posting, in response to Jimmy thinking that was more of a Scum move.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12265844&postcount=607) > \*\*\*end of Day One, peeker dies, is Town. > [Posts links to some old games.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12265937&postcount=619) > [Missed a game in his links post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12266138&postcount=624) > > **Possible Town Indicators** > –First to name-claim. > –Very high participation. > > **Possible Scum Indicators** > –In Post 280, he accuses Meeko of PIS. Now, I don’t know if this is on the level of third-vote-as-Scum-tell, but I’ve often thought that people who point out potential PIS slips, especially early in the game, are more likely than not to be Scum, either bussing another teammate or trying to set up an easy case on Town. This has played out in the last few games I’ve been in. But that’s more gut with me than anything else. > –More importantly, he practically drives the peeker wagon, to the point of bringing it up repeatedly after he said he’d drop it, and then ends the Day voting for me. First he says that peeker isn’t worth a vote for his behavior. Then he says that he’s the most suspicious person, and I can’t really see that much changed in the discussion between him. But he still refuses to vote for him, and votes for me instead. Just seems Scummy to me–keep poking at peeker, rile him up, watch as the votes pile up on him, but keep your hands clean in the end by making sure your vote is on someone else. > > Day/Night Two to follow…I’m on page 17 of a 37 page thread right now, and not getting any work done. 😉 > > Also, I find it easier to go through the thread itself rather than search it by username, especially with someone as prolific as **ed**. If I miss a post, I apologize. YAY! Just a couple of points. Yes, I poked at Peeker and at Meeko. Yes I voted niehter of them. yes, I voted for Drain shortly after she did what I saw as the most suspicious thing of the day. Additionally, your comment that “Scum point out PIS more than Town do” has been breought up in previous games and is not widely accepted as True. It is also akin to saying “Scum point out scummy behavior more than Town do.” I don’t think I need to point out how ridiculous that argument is. I think, if you look at the information Meeko was claiming to be true, you’ll see that there’s no reasonable way for him to know what he felt to be true without PIS, my statement makes much sense. Also, you’ll notice that I didn’t vote for Meeko at that point (as far as I recall) because I felt it was possible that meeko was just thinking he knew more than he could possibly know by making assumption on things he assumed rather than things he knew. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1462 "2010-05-04T19:25:18Z")
**Day/Night Two** [Asks Freudian if anyone actually voted Meeko for the “odds” post regarding Kelly. Points out that he could either be Town making a bad argument or Scum who doesn’t understand that it’s best to let a buddy die to serve the greater good. Doesn’t vote Meeko but says he’s pinging him.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12274624&postcount=659) [Throws out the possibility that Meeko and Kelly could be masons](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12274654&postcount=662) [Hopes that someone who didn’t have a role identified at death is vanilla. Is fairly certain at least peeker was, because he didn’t claim a power role.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12274919&postcount=665) [Lots of smilies.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12275081&postcount=670) [Says that Meeko made an OMGUS vote, attacks his outline line by line. Says that the case against Meeko isn’t rock solid, but there’s meat to it.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12275116&postcount=671) [More snark against Meeko](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12275294&postcount=673) [“The meat is that you came out and handwaved the case against Kelly.”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12275302&postcount=676) [Tells Meeko that he’s mischaracterizing the case against him.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12275311&postcount=677) [Asks Meeko a bunch of questions. Explains the difference between a smudge and an accusation.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12275338&postcount=679) [Says that Meeko is confusing cases with proof. Points out more misrepresentations that Meeko is making.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12276014&postcount=689) [Is unsure how Meeko concluded that ed was saying Meeko was Scum because he used facts and logic and tried to investigate slips.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12276127&postcount=695) [Says it’s hard to determine motivation behind a post. Asks Meeko why he’s voting for Freudian when odds are she’s Town too. Says that Freudian could be voting for Meeko because she knows it’s a mislynch.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12276143&postcount=697) [Says he’ll let go the Meeko arguments. Doesn’t particularly think Meeko is Scum, just thinks he gets overly defensive when questioned, and is trying to help point out where his logic goes haywire.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12276179&postcount=701) [Asks Mahaloth what he’s contributing to the thread.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12283187&postcount=752) [Doesn’t know what the case against OAOW is. Is pinged heavily by Jimmy.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12284934&postcount=765) [Spells out what he thinks Jimmy’s case against OAOW is, then asks him to clarify if he’s gotten it wrong.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12285002&postcount=767) [Argues with Jimmy about his case, asks what OAOW’s scum motivation is. Asks for comments from the other OAOW voters.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12285297&postcount=778) [In response to Freudian, says: “So, you argue that someone did something because they are Scum…and then when pointed out there’s little Scum motivation to do so…your response is, well, just because they aren’t Scum for my reason doesn’t mean they aren’t Scum is kinda foolish, no?”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12285345&postcount=784) [Asks for opinion from everyone else on Tom’s case against Freudian](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12285654&postcount=793) [Says he wasn’t asking for Freudian’s opinion on the case against her. Says that he’s not necessarily going to hold her weak cases against her.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12285956&postcount=799) [Says that Freudian’s vote pattern is opportunistic and her cases are weak.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12286006&postcount=800) [Corrects that he meant OAOW and not Oredigger in previous post.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12286042&postcount=801) [Is evidently puzzled by something OAOW said.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12286784&postcount=808) [Accepts Oredigger’s reasoning in his OAOW vote. Asks what he thinks OAOW was trying to hide. Says that Freudian made a case against Red but couldn’t be bothered to figure out who else was voting for him.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12287460&postcount=812) [Asks Jimmy for post numbers of things OAOW was ignoring when making his vote.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12287719&postcount=818) [Says that Mahaloth was not the first to call OAOW on the thing that Ed was evidently puzzled about.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12287723&postcount=819) [Is set for 200 posts per page so the game is only on page 5 for him.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12287840&postcount=824) (Lucky ed–this post is on page 21 for me) [Asks Jimmy if a comment he made to Mahaloth is referring to another game.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12287857&postcount=827) [Makes comments about each player. Is most suspicious of Mahaloth, OAOW, and Freudian, not in that order.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12288391&postcount=838) [Says that nothing I’ve done has really pinged him…yet](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12289053&postcount=843)\* [Is concerned that I seem upset that he didn’t comment about me.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12289233&postcount=845) [Says again that he doesn’t find anything out of the ordinary about me](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12289754&postcount=849)\* [Is willing to chalk Tom’s "overnight thread’ comment up to a mistake.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12289755&postcount=850) [Starts it up with Meeko again, about the odds issue.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12290599&postcount=858) [Votes Freudian for poor cases and bandwagon-hopping.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12290643&postcount=861) [Doesn’t like my vote on OAOW](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12291047&postcount=879) [Links back to his case against Freudian](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12291917&postcount=884) \*\*\*End of Day Two. OAOW dies. Only one Night post by ed, it’s fluff. The big thing that jumps out at me upon re-read is something I starred– **ed** says that nothing I’ve done has pinged him…yet. Keep in mind that _he ended the Day before with a vote on me_! Now, Day Two was probably my worst Day of this game in terms of participation and motivation–I forgot who I was voting for on Day One too, and admitted as much in the thread. But you don’t see me on Day Two saying that nothing **Oredigger** had done so far had pinged me, either. **ed** , OTOH, goes out of his way to say that I had yet to ping him and that he found nothing out of the ordinary about me. Very strange comments to be made about someone you voted for the Day before! I really wish I would have caught this earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1463 "2010-05-04T19:42:29Z")
[Points out that story’s death reveal doesn’t match his claim.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12299206&postcount=910) [Updated voting info. Says that since the two vote leaders were Town, Scum could have been hiding anywhere.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12299224&postcount=912) [Apologizes for the strikethroughs not C&Ping in his voting info post.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12299249&postcount=915) [Agrees that it appears Vig killed Freudian. Says that it might not be all that bad, as we would have wasted a Day arguing for her lynch. Votes for Chronos for not figuring out that story fake-claimed because he was Cop, says that Chronos is trying to redirect attention. Says that a Detective with a guilty finding may not have claimed. Lists all of Story’s suspicions, of whom only Chronos, Mahaloth and Meeko remained alive at that point.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12299707&postcount=924) [Thinks that the only way story investigated Chronos night one is if Chronos is Scum](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12299756&postcount=926) [Discusses potential mechanics of Vig role.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12300169&postcount=932) [Responds to Meeko saying that ed was making too many assumptions too quickly about the Vigilante.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12302977&postcount=939) [Jumps on TexCat for failing to understand Jimmy.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12303039&postcount=942) [Again points out that he thinks TexCat mischaracterized what Jimmy said.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12303067&postcount=945) [Says “just two points” about TexCat’s comment regarding tampering with Freudian’s death reveal, then makes three points.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12303107&postcount=948)😉 [Says Scum was motivated to blend in with the OAOW/Freudian race by voting for one or the other](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12303126&postcount=951) [Unvotes Chronos, votes Oredigger, based on my analysis of his vote post. Points out that Oredigger could be Scum gloating by saying “as the Scum sit back and laugh.”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12313995&postcount=995) [Asks when Day ends](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12314006&postcount=996) [A NETA to change “good” cases to “bad” cases in his Oredigger vote post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12314015&postcount=997) [Says Day ends in 80 minutes.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12317852&postcount=1012) \*\*\*\* Day ends, Chronos dies. No Night posts. Ed looks good here. Ends the Day with a vote on Scum, and unvotes Town to do it, in a close race between Town and Scum. I see no major logical inconsistencies toDay, unlike in previous Days. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1464 "2010-05-04T20:09:28Z")
[Revotes Oredigger.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12326338&postcount=1037) [Says that Meeko is fishing for an additional Mason claim, and that he is capable of changing the way he posts when he is Scum.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327516&postcount=1065) [Says that Guiri’s being pinged by Meeko for limiting his posting is accurate. Says it’s foolish to try to get more masons to claim.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327592&postcount=1071) [Distinguishes Rysto from Meeko by saying that Rysto was just asking for clarification and back-up to a claim already made, not asking for more people to come out and claim.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327597&postcount=1072) [Would encourage a real Mason to counterclaim a false-claiming Mason, but only after we hear from TexCat.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327633&postcount=1075) [Even if Rysto were Scum, the additional info he asked for would not be helpful to him.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327638&postcount=1076) [Believes Cookies](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327662&postcount=1080) [Clarifies his post about wanting to hear from TexCat](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327680&postcount=1082) [Points out where Meeko thinks he’s backpedaling, wants to hear from TexCat](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327704&postcount=1087) [Joke about fishing with dynamite](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327706&postcount=1088) [Clarifies joke, says that there are levels of subtlety in fishing.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12328446&postcount=1100) [Responds to something that Meeko said](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12330109&postcount=1108) (I’ve tried to read this back-and-forth about five times and still can’t figure out WTF they’re talking about here…again, it’s like the teachers from Charlie Brown) [Says that Meeko is defending himself against a case that has yet to be made, and if he is Town, he should be more concerned about finding Scum than self-defense at this point.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12331649&postcount=1115) [Asks me if I think that his dealings with Meeko are the same as previous games.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12334169&postcount=1118) [Says he’s not insulting Meeko and doesn’t hate him.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12334546&postcount=1121) [Asks if Rysto posted his full PM](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12337696&postcount=1141) [Says that Oredigger is being inconsistent by having the strategy of self-protecting every night but trying to avoid being the NK target.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12338154&postcount=1155) [Snips my post, reminds himself of the time that I complained that he didn’t find me suspicious. Says that along with my one-off vote, that had me pinging his Scumdar.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12338443&postcount=1159) [Says my one-off vote doesn’t ping him at all now that he looked at it. Says my pointing out his interactions with Meeko seems like something a Scum would want to do. Waits for my reaction.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12338453&postcount=1160) [Says that the train he was on with me just got stopped. Lists three reasons why. Then says it’s back on the tracks. Says I could have been going for an early bus with Digger.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12338479&postcount=1161) [Points out that he was waffling a lot.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12338491&postcount=1162) [Says he had another thought about the Oredigger typo, but can’t remember what it was.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12342907&postcount=1168) [Asks if TexCat was going to move his Oredigger vote before the Rysto counterclaim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12344394&postcount=1177) \*\*\*\*Day ends, MHaye, Zeriel, and Oredigger are dead. [Forgets if we can have strategy at Night](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12346779&postcount=1198) [Says that Oredigger’s motivation for claiming was to expose the Doc and potentially get him lynched.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12346848&postcount=1201) [New updated voting history. Lists me, Meeko, and Zeriel with one other as his Scum list.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12346970&postcount=1206) Fluff post about Meeko’s job. The one thing I want to point out is that he started his train of thought on me by reminding himself of the time I got upset that he didn’t find me suspicious. If you go back and read the thread, that’s not what I was pointing out at all. I was pointing out that he listed a bunch of people who had gotten votes, and said a few things about each of them…but the thing he said about me was not about me at all. It was about **Tom Scud** mentioning the “overnight thread.” Now, at this point in the game, I didn’t get too upset about **ed** repeatedly mischaracterizing what bothered me about that moment. But once **Tom** turned up Scum, it seems to me like **ed** was trying to link me to him. He also said that my pointing out his interactions with **Meeko** was something Scum would do, but never said why he thought that. I’m kinda curious as to what the Scum motivation there would be. Without using post-hoc reasoning based on the fact that we now know **Meeko** was Town, can you explain why you thought that my bringing that up back then was scummy? I can see you thinking that if you thought I was trying to point out that you were ganging up on Town, but you thought **Meeko** was scummy then. So why would it be Scummy for me to point out that you were ganging up on someone who you thought was Scum? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1465 "2010-05-04T20:14:33Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > **Day/Night Two** > > [Asks Freudian if anyone actually voted Meeko for the “odds” post regarding Kelly. Points out that he could either be Town making a bad argument or Scum who doesn’t understand that it’s best to let a buddy die to serve the greater good. Doesn’t vote Meeko but says he’s pinging him.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12274624&postcount=659) > [Throws out the possibility that Meeko and Kelly could be masons](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12274654&postcount=662) > [Hopes that someone who didn’t have a role identified at death is vanilla. Is fairly certain at least peeker was, because he didn’t claim a power role.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12274919&postcount=665) > [Lots of smilies.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12275081&postcount=670) > [Says that Meeko made an OMGUS vote, attacks his outline line by line. Says that the case against Meeko isn’t rock solid, but there’s meat to it.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12275116&postcount=671) > [More snark against Meeko](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12275294&postcount=673) > [“The meat is that you came out and handwaved the case against Kelly.”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12275302&postcount=676) > [Tells Meeko that he’s mischaracterizing the case against him.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12275311&postcount=677) > [Asks Meeko a bunch of questions. Explains the difference between a smudge and an accusation.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12275338&postcount=679) > [Says that Meeko is confusing cases with proof. Points out more misrepresentations that Meeko is making.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12276014&postcount=689) > [Is unsure how Meeko concluded that ed was saying Meeko was Scum because he used facts and logic and tried to investigate slips.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12276127&postcount=695) > [Says it’s hard to determine motivation behind a post. Asks Meeko why he’s voting for Freudian when odds are she’s Town too. Says that Freudian could be voting for Meeko because she knows it’s a mislynch.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12276143&postcount=697) > [Says he’ll let go the Meeko arguments. Doesn’t particularly think Meeko is Scum, just thinks he gets overly defensive when questioned, and is trying to help point out where his logic goes haywire.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12276179&postcount=701) > [Asks Mahaloth what he’s contributing to the thread.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12283187&postcount=752) > [Doesn’t know what the case against OAOW is. Is pinged heavily by Jimmy.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12284934&postcount=765) > [Spells out what he thinks Jimmy’s case against OAOW is, then asks him to clarify if he’s gotten it wrong.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12285002&postcount=767) > [Argues with Jimmy about his case, asks what OAOW’s scum motivation is. Asks for comments from the other OAOW voters.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12285297&postcount=778) > [In response to Freudian, says: “So, you argue that someone did something because they are Scum…and then when pointed out there’s little Scum motivation to do so…your response is, well, just because they aren’t Scum for my reason doesn’t mean they aren’t Scum is kinda foolish, no?”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12285345&postcount=784) > [Asks for opinion from everyone else on Tom’s case against Freudian](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12285654&postcount=793) > [Says he wasn’t asking for Freudian’s opinion on the case against her. Says that he’s not necessarily going to hold her weak cases against her.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12285956&postcount=799) > [Says that Freudian’s vote pattern is opportunistic and her cases are weak.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12286006&postcount=800) > [Corrects that he meant OAOW and not Oredigger in previous post.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12286042&postcount=801) > [Is evidently puzzled by something OAOW said.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12286784&postcount=808) > [Accepts Oredigger’s reasoning in his OAOW vote. Asks what he thinks OAOW was trying to hide. Says that Freudian made a case against Red but couldn’t be bothered to figure out who else was voting for him.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12287460&postcount=812) > [Asks Jimmy for post numbers of things OAOW was ignoring when making his vote.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12287719&postcount=818) > [Says that Mahaloth was not the first to call OAOW on the thing that Ed was evidently puzzled about.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12287723&postcount=819) > [Is set for 200 posts per page so the game is only on page 5 for him.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12287840&postcount=824) (Lucky ed–this post is on page 21 for me) > [Asks Jimmy if a comment he made to Mahaloth is referring to another game.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12287857&postcount=827) > [Makes comments about each player. Is most suspicious of Mahaloth, OAOW, and Freudian, not in that order.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12288391&postcount=838) > [Says that nothing I’ve done has really pinged him…yet](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12289053&postcount=843)\* > [Is concerned that I seem upset that he didn’t comment about me.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12289233&postcount=845) > [Says again that he doesn’t find anything out of the ordinary about me](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12289754&postcount=849)\* > [Is willing to chalk Tom’s "overnight thread’ comment up to a mistake.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12289755&postcount=850) > [Starts it up with Meeko again, about the odds issue.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12290599&postcount=858) > [Votes Freudian for poor cases and bandwagon-hopping.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12290643&postcount=861) > [Doesn’t like my vote on OAOW](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12291047&postcount=879) > [Links back to his case against Freudian](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12291917&postcount=884) > \*\*\*End of Day Two. OAOW dies. > Only one Night post by ed, it’s fluff. > > The big thing that jumps out at me upon re-read is something I starred– **ed** says that nothing I’ve done has pinged him…yet. Keep in mind that _he ended the Day before with a vote on me_! Now, Day Two was probably my worst Day of this game in terms of participation and motivation–I forgot who I was voting for on Day One too, and admitted as much in the thread. But you don’t see me on Day Two saying that nothing **Oredigger** had done so far had pinged me, either. **ed** , OTOH, goes out of his way to say that I had yet to ping him and that he found nothing out of the ordinary about me. Very strange comments to be made about someone you voted for the Day before! I really wish I would have caught this earlier. I post so much that of course there are going to be inconsistencies. Sure, I voted for you on day 1 with a weak case. Then I made comments on the cases of Day 2, and I commented on what I saw as the case against you on that Day, and didn’t see much. There was much more going on that was noteworthy. Meeko’s handwaving, Mahaloth’s non-particpation while posting, All the discussion on day 2 in regards to you centered around Tom’s comment. I didn’t think too much of it. As for the comment that I didn’t like your vote on OAOW (near the end of Day 2), that did slightly miss the point. The point was that I didn’t like the FOS/Smudge you gave me for forcing a tie which in this game isn’t really a tie since there’s an obvious built in tie-breaker. Plus, you’ve pointed out that I can’t count. I’m ashamed. :smack: 1 odd thing I find interesting. You say now that you wish that you had discovered my vote for you and later non-ping earlier. I must say, I would venture that if you were Scum, you probably would have remembered that I had voted for you. But you’re right, you didn’t comment on it at all back then, did you? **unvote Drain** **vote Mahaloth** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1466 "2010-05-04T20:23:00Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > [Revotes Oredigger.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12326338&postcount=1037) > [Says that Meeko is fishing for an additional Mason claim, and that he is capable of changing the way he posts when he is Scum.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327516&postcount=1065) > [Says that Guiri’s being pinged by Meeko for limiting his posting is accurate. Says it’s foolish to try to get more masons to claim.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327592&postcount=1071) > [Distinguishes Rysto from Meeko by saying that Rysto was just asking for clarification and back-up to a claim already made, not asking for more people to come out and claim.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327597&postcount=1072) > [Would encourage a real Mason to counterclaim a false-claiming Mason, but only after we hear from TexCat.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327633&postcount=1075) > [Even if Rysto were Scum, the additional info he asked for would not be helpful to him.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327638&postcount=1076) > [Believes Cookies](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327662&postcount=1080) > [Clarifies his post about wanting to hear from TexCat](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327680&postcount=1082) > [Points out where Meeko thinks he’s backpedaling, wants to hear from TexCat](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327704&postcount=1087) > [Joke about fishing with dynamite](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327706&postcount=1088) > [Clarifies joke, says that there are levels of subtlety in fishing.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12328446&postcount=1100) > [Responds to something that Meeko said](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12330109&postcount=1108) (I’ve tried to read this back-and-forth about five times and still can’t figure out WTF they’re talking about here…again, it’s like the teachers from Charlie Brown) > [Says that Meeko is defending himself against a case that has yet to be made, and if he is Town, he should be more concerned about finding Scum than self-defense at this point.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12331649&postcount=1115) > [Asks me if I think that his dealings with Meeko are the same as previous games.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12334169&postcount=1118) > [Says he’s not insulting Meeko and doesn’t hate him.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12334546&postcount=1121) > [Asks if Rysto posted his full PM](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12337696&postcount=1141) > [Says that Oredigger is being inconsistent by having the strategy of self-protecting every night but trying to avoid being the NK target.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12338154&postcount=1155) > [Snips my post, reminds himself of the time that I complained that he didn’t find me suspicious. Says that along with my one-off vote, that had me pinging his Scumdar.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12338443&postcount=1159) > [Says my one-off vote doesn’t ping him at all now that he looked at it. Says my pointing out his interactions with Meeko seems like something a Scum would want to do. Waits for my reaction.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12338453&postcount=1160) > [Says that the train he was on with me just got stopped. Lists three reasons why. Then says it’s back on the tracks. Says I could have been going for an early bus with Digger.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12338479&postcount=1161) > [Points out that he was waffling a lot.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12338491&postcount=1162) > [Says he had another thought about the Oredigger typo, but can’t remember what it was.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12342907&postcount=1168) > [Asks if TexCat was going to move his Oredigger vote before the Rysto counterclaim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12344394&postcount=1177) > \*\*\*\*Day ends, MHaye, Zeriel, and Oredigger are dead. > [Forgets if we can have strategy at Night](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12346779&postcount=1198) > [Says that Oredigger’s motivation for claiming was to expose the Doc and potentially get him lynched.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12346848&postcount=1201) > [New updated voting history. Lists me, Meeko, and Zeriel with one other as his Scum list.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12346970&postcount=1206) > Fluff post about Meeko’s job. > > The one thing I want to point out is that he started his train of thought on me by reminding himself of the time I got upset that he didn’t find me suspicious. If you go back and read the thread, that’s not what I was pointing out at all. I was pointing out that he listed a bunch of people who had gotten votes, and said a few things about each of them…but the thing he said about me was not about me at all. It was about **Tom Scud** mentioning the “overnight thread.” Now, at this point in the game, I didn’t get too upset about **ed** repeatedly mischaracterizing what bothered me about that moment. But once **Tom** turned up Scum, it seems to me like **ed** was trying to link me to him. From your agitation, I assumed you were upset that there was no comment about you. I’m surprised that you now say you weren’t upset. You kept bringing it up even after I apologized for not being pinged by you. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > He also said that my pointing out his interactions with **Meeko** was something Scum would do, but never said why he thought that. I’m kinda curious as to what the Scum motivation there would be. Without using post-hoc reasoning based on the fact that we now know **Meeko** was Town, can you explain why you thought that my bringing that up back then was scummy? I can see you thinking that if you thought I was trying to point out that you were ganging up on Town, but you thought **Meeko** was scummy then. So why would it be Scummy for me to point out that you were ganging up on someone who you thought was Scum? In the post you link, I don’t say it’s something Scum would do. I just indicate that it’s interesting. However, often the 2 are synonymous. In fact, in every case except when they aren’t (see my most recent post before this one). The Scum motivation would be to distract the Town and focus on the interaction between Meeko and myself. Granted at that point I was suspicious of Meeko (that was clear) but I wasn’t 100% sure. Also, I wouldn’t put it past a Scum to point it out since Meeko and I have a hsitory of arguing even when we are both Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1467 "2010-05-04T20:27:44Z")
[Votes for me without commentary](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12354196&postcount=1225) [Says he thinks my Day One vote on Oredigger was to get cred later. Says I attacked Oredigger for his Chronos vote without mentioning that I was voting for Chronos too.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12355726&postcount=1229) [Updated voting history. Says he thinks one of MHaye or Zeriel was Scum, leans toward Zeriel](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12355738&postcount=1230) [Says that he could be wrong about Zeriel, wrong about me, or we were Scumfighting earlier in the game.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12360865&postcount=1244) [Says that he made a typo on the LyLo situation in his updated voting history post. Asks me if I think he was displaying PIS](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12360880&postcount=1245) [Asks Meeko if he thinks I’m Scum because I’m able to defend myself.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12362505&postcount=1250) [Makes a Meeko-esque outline of his case against me. Again says that I complained about him not making a case against me. Says my Day One case against Oredigger was weak. Says that I never mentioned I voted for Chronos when I was attacking Oredigger for his Chronos vote. Says I didn’t pay attention to the Day One case against peeker.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12363833&postcount=1255) [Says that just because he and Meeko came to the same conclusion it doesn’t mean they agree. Reiterates his case against me.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12364392&postcount=1258) [Says he was wrong about me not bringing up the fact that I was voting for Chronos when I attacked Oredigger. Asks me to lay out my case against Tom](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12365028&postcount=1263) [Says his Day One vote on me was weak, but now that more has occurred, he feels he should bring it up in his case on me.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12365560&postcount=1265) [Can now see the case against Tom, thinks it deserves a re-read](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12368217&postcount=1272) [Says the time left in the Day, says it’s given us a lot to digest.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12369516&postcount=1282) [Understands that the game can get stressful.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12370106&postcount=1291) [Votes for Tom](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12370112&postcount=1292) [Metagame comment about how sach doesn’t fully buy into jsexton’s points](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12370236&postcount=1296) [Says that my role isn’t necessarily good](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12370851&postcount=1300) [Semi-agrees with my analysis of who is the remaining Scum except he thinks that I am Scum instead of him.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12371058&postcount=1302) \*\*\*\*Day ends, Tom is dead [Says Digger claimed George Washington but was only revealed as President.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12374076&postcount=1314) [Thinks Meeko is Scum because of his reaction to the Rysto/Digger claims, and the mason claims.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12374096&postcount=1315) Night ends[/spoiler] After five Days, one major pattern I’m noticing is that **ed** rarely interacted with **Tom**. About the only mentions of **Tom** he had, through five Days and two close races is when he brought up the “overnight thread” kerfluffle in conjunction with me, and when he asked other people about the cases against him. He never really brought him up himself, and didn’t vote him on his last Day until after he flamed out. Nothing solid, just a data point. And on that note, I’ve spent my whole damned afternoon getting no work done, and I have to go home now. I only have a few pages left to go in the thread, so I’ll get it finished tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1468 "2010-05-04T20:31:50Z")
Damn it, I knew I’d screw up a tag in there somewhere. At least it was a spoiler tag and not a URL. Also, there was one previous mention of Tom earlier, when he asks the rest of us what we thought about Tom’s case against Freudian. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1469 "2010-05-04T20:35:34Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > From your agitation, I assumed you were upset that there was no comment about you. I’m surprised that you now say you weren’t upset. You kept bringing it up even after I apologized for not being pinged by you. Well, that’s not really what I was saying. What I was saying is that at the time, I wasn’t too bothered by the actual linkage between me and **Tom** , but after he was revealed as Scum, it became a lot more bothersome. I was a bit bothered that you were commenting on the cases against each player, but the thing you mentioned about me was really about **Tom**. It wasn’t that you weren’t making a case against me, it was that you were linking something that had nothing to do with me to me. Which wasn’t incredibly awful at the time, but became worse when I found out he was Scum. Does that explain it better? > [@](#): > > In the post you link, I don’t say it’s something Scum would do. I just indicate that it’s interesting. However, often the 2 are synonymous. In fact, in every case except when they aren’t (see my most recent post before this one). The Scum motivation would be to distract the Town and focus on the interaction between Meeko and myself. Granted at that point I was suspicious of Meeko (that was clear) but I wasn’t 100% sure. Also, I wouldn’t put it past a Scum to point it out since Meeko and I have a hsitory of arguing even when we are both Scum. What’s that last line supposed to mean, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1470 "2010-05-04T20:37:10Z")
Okay, now I’m leaving work. For real. Seriously. I promise. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1471 "2010-05-04T21:49:45Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Well, that’s not really what I was saying. What I was saying is that at the time, I wasn’t too bothered by the actual linkage between me and **Tom** , but after he was revealed as Scum, it became a lot more bothersome. > > I was a bit bothered that you were commenting on the cases against each player, but the thing you mentioned about me was really about **Tom**. It wasn’t that you weren’t making a case against me, it was that you were linking something that had nothing to do with me to me. Which wasn’t incredibly awful at the time, but became worse when I found out he was Scum. Does that explain it better? I wasn’t too concerned about the ‘overnight’ thread comment. In hindsight, I may have been wrong, since Tom flipped Scum. Of course, that’s not a point in your favor since Tom was talking about your post in the overnight thread :dubious: In voting for you, Zeriel was replying to Tom. All that kerfluffle about the overnight thread was not a data point I was going to use at the time. That was my comment when I got to your name in my copy/pasted list of people who had votes. I’m not sure how I can make that more clear. That post was just a summary of my thoughts. Potentially useful for someone else, but more designed to give me something to go back to and find my thoughts at the time. At that time, I wasn’t too concerned about you. Your defensiveness to my stand along with a few other things got me to change my mind. I’ve changed my mind a lot in this game. I’ve even been wrong. Frequently. I’m really not sure why it’s such a big deal to you that I didn’t have anything to really say about you on Day 2. I’m not sure how much better I can explain that. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > In the post you link, I don’t say it’s something Scum would do. I just indicate that it’s interesting. However, often the 2 are synonymous. In fact, in every case except when they aren’t (see my most recent post before this one). The Scum motivation would be to distract the Town and focus on the interaction between Meeko and myself. Granted at that point I was suspicious of Meeko (that was clear) but I wasn’t 100% sure. Also, I wouldn’t put it past a Scum to point it out since Meeko and I have a hsitory of arguing even when we are both Scum. > > What’s that last line supposed to mean, exactly? The last line? IN Conspiracy 3, Meeko and I argued extensively on Day 1. For me, it was an attempt to build some credibility for one of us if the other died. In the end, it got us both killed and, I fear, made Meeko think I’m sadistic and hateful. So, the last line means, Even had Meeko flipped Scum, I wouldn’t have expected my arguing with him to have bought me any credibility, and, in fact, I might have expceted Scum to point that out. It’s all meaningless though since he didn’t flip Scum. So, basically, it means this: Even if Meeko were Scum, as I suspected, I wouldn’t put it past another Scum to point out my arguing with him in either a) an attempt to get me lynched instead or b) remind others of Conspiracy and point a finger at me after Meeko flipped. Really, I’m arguing hypotheticals here since you asked what the ptoential Scum motivation could have been. I thought it was obvious that others in the past have used the “look at those people argue…” to distract Town from meaningful activities. Though, I’ve also seen it used by Town to get distractive people to shut up. (But you didn’t ask me what the Town motivations might have been) ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1472 "2010-05-04T22:29:00Z")
[Votes Meeko\*\* [url=http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12383398&postcount=1329]Points out that Meeko falls victim to OMGUS regardless of his alignment.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12381060&postcount=1322) [Expands on Rysto’s vote history post by doing a pre-Tom and post-Tom claim vote count. Points out that my recent play makes him think better of me. Notices that Tom, Meeko, and I were each voting for one another prior to Tom’s implosion.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12383443&postcount=1330) [Snark on Meeko](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12383580&postcount=1333) [Reiterates case against Meeko. Is voting him because he voted for Rysto instead of Oredigger, is posting less as the game goes on, fished for a third Mason claim, doubted that Tom’s Scum claim was true, made weak votes on Freudian, TexCat, and me, and wasn’t commenting as much on other people’s cases.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12383657&postcount=1335) [Corrrects the Day that Meeko voted for TexCat in the previous post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12383662&postcount=1336) [Points out that Meeko thinks that both ed and I are Scum, but wants to work out a voting bloc with us. Reiterates his case against Meeko again, more briefly.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12385129&postcount=1341) [Explains to Meeko that it’s best that Scum NKs a vanilla.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12387825&postcount=1347) [Is pinged by Mahaloth’s trust-list because he is neutral or positive on everyone but the top lynch leader, doesn’t go into any great detail, and includes claimed Town without mentioning claims.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12387839&postcount=1349) [Accepts my explanation of what I thought Meeko was saying in a previous post.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12387844&postcount=1350) [Gives his own trust list. Says he’s Town, is unsure about Red, thinks I’m Town, thinks Meeko and Mahaloth are Scum.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12387850&postcount=1351) [Compares the Mahaloth/Tom interaction to me and Freudian in Colorless](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12388078&postcount=1354) [Doesn’t like the r-word](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12389661&postcount=1362) [Is not sure why Meeko thinks that people are saying they’re sure the person they are voting for is Scum.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12394441&postcount=1378) [Says that Meeko’s claim that Scum is dominating is a distraction.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12394478&postcount=1380) [Realizes that Meeko was talking about Rysto/Oredigger when he questioned why Town was sure that they were voting for Scum.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12394491&postcount=1382) [Spells out scenarios for the rest of the game.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12394526&postcount=1383) \*\*\*\*Day ends, Meeko dies [Swears, is glad we haven’t lost.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12399026&postcount=1394) [Is reluctant to discuss if there’s anything else Meeko could have done.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12399926&postcount=1398) \*\*\*\*Night ends, Rysto dies I can’t really hold the Meeko case against ed. Damn near everyone, except Cookies (who is evidently psychic!) thought that Meeko was Scum. I know I was damned certain of it–and had Cookies not been confirmed Town, I would have really wondered about the one-off. Ed’s case against Meeko was good, except Meeko does some crazy shit, and this game was no exception. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1473 "2010-05-04T22:33:19Z")
Thanks for explaining that–I didn’t know the history. As for the first part, I’m not sure what else I can say to get you to understand that my issue wasn’t the fact that you weren’t making a case against me, so I’ll just let everyone else figure out if that whole thing means anything to them. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1474 "2010-05-04T22:35:00Z")
I am definitely not going to have time to do another one of these. I’d love to see others pitch in to do a WOW on our other unconfirmeds. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1475 "2010-05-05T02:37:46Z")
This almost seems easy since I only have 8 pages to go through 😉 Mahaloth Pre-Day 1 (5 posts) [Post 18](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12240179&postcount=18) Is in [Post 24](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12240398&postcount=24) ask if the game is Gasterd [Post 25](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12240399&postcount=25) Notes that it’s newbie friendly [Post 31](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12241044&postcount=31) Who cares, the roles aren’t even out yet? [Post 62](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12241918&postcount=62) we have 20 players! Day 1 (24 posts) [Post 134](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243791&postcount=134) Confirming [Post 148](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12243915&postcount=148) is OK with name claiming can use a random list or sachertorte’s list [Post 162](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12244222&postcount=162) claims Samuel Johnson (Critic) [Post 194](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12245548&postcount=194) lists claims so far [Post 197](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12245623&postcount=197) updates list [post 224](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12246426&postcount=224) asks if peeker has claimed or not [post 229](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12247545&postcount=229) encourages peeker to claim [post 256](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12249227&postcount=256) well, the claim is mostly over [Post 260](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12249434&postcount=260) comment on his earlier list [post 275](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12249981&postcount=275) notes TexCat’s list, asks if everyone has claimed [post 276](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12249984&postcount=276) questions if peeker has claimed [post 285](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12251619&postcount=285) questions Meeko how he knows that the Scum know the other Scum names (picks up on PIS before Ed did even!) [post 294](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12251778&postcount=294) backs off on his comments towards Meeko since others have stated it’s common practice, but still doesn’t think he deserves a vote [post 299](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12251844&postcount=299) completely retracts his comment towards Meeko [post 305](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12252015&postcount=305) fluff [post 319](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12252466&postcount=319) peeker is being peeker [post 336](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12253532&postcount=336) more peeker is being peekr, don’t poke at him [post 348](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12254486&postcount=348) more comments to stop the comments on his initial questioning of Meeko [post 424](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12257703&postcount=424) long day, will comment later [post 428](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12257758&postcount=428) thinkis people should stop poking peeker and Meeko, isn’t pinged by either but wouldn’t be surprised if Scum are poking them [post 482](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12260951&postcount=482) thinks either Chronos or peeker is Scum, votes peeker after pointing out Chronos’ comment about peeker ‘safe soft claiming’ with the video earlier. (WHAT? He said he wasn’t pinged by him earlier…and now this? And, it sets up a classic Scum move. Either A or B is Scum, let’s lynch A, then we lynch B toMorrow…and you get 2 Town [post 500](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12261456&postcount=500) questions Meeko on the Keely is likely Town thing [post 521](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12262172&postcount=521) ditto [post 597](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12265793&postcount=597) Can we discuss strategy at Night? Night 1 (4 posts) [post 616](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12265919&postcount=616) was witch Town? [post 635](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12266998&postcount=635) fluff [post 644](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12268911&postcount=644) comments on a companion document to label Day starts and ends (Red then started one, but didn’t maintain it) [post 648](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12270299&postcount=648) thanks Red Day 2 (11 posts) [post 669](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12275042&postcount=669) we should assume both dead are Vanilla Town [post 728](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12279653&postcount=728) asks what Drains slip was. Thinks Tom’s “overnight thread” isn’t a big deal [post 732](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12279977&postcount=732) thanks Rysto for pointing out that Drains issue was FOS’ing “everyone” who voted peeker (for some reason I’ve forgotten) was really an FOS of 1 person [post 733](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12280354&postcount=733) thinks Zeriel has made a good case. Thinks Drains comments are Odd. Still isn’t the least bit suspicious of Tom’s comment. snarks at Ed and Meeko [post 738](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12281646&postcount=738) comments on why what Drain said could be Scum motivated. Is dismayed by the lack of participation [post 749](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12282952&postcount=749) more ranting on the low participation [post 753](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12283207&postcount=753) in response to Ed asking him what he’s contributed aside from a comment on the Drain kerfluffle, he says "Anything I can, specialed. There is little to comment on. Encouraging people to get out here and speak is certainly a good point and worth saying. Certainly better than bantering with Meeko again(still). " [post 786](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12285505&postcount=786) questions Tom for voting for Freduian because Freudian is voting for anti-Town noise. [post 787](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12285530&postcount=787) Votes Tom [post 815](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12287547&postcount=815) unvotes Tom votes Oneandonly because oneandonly pointed out they might be a good lynch ----Mahaloth gets a vote from story for much of the preceding and the defense of Feudian— [post 836](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12288256&postcount=836) defends his vote for oneandonly, takes note of story’s vote Night 2 (0 posts) Day 3 (5 posts) [post 909](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12299188&postcount=909) there must be a Vigilante [post 911](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12299211&postcount=911) comments that his list didn’t have storyteller, when Ed noted that story’s claim didn’t match his reveal [post 931](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12300108&postcount=931) 1. good chice, Vig. 2. story voted me, has no idea why. 3. was wrong about oneandonly, therefore Tom must be Scum for his case on Freudian. Votes Tom. [post 998](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12314206&postcount=998) day is ending in 24 hours. still likes vote on Tom, though Oredigger also looks good. Doesn’t get case on Chronos [post 1001](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12315144&postcount=1001) notes tie between Tom and Chronos —an interesting aside. Jimmy was very suspicious of Mahaloth at this point. In fact, so worried that he felt the case against Tom was trumped up, so he put Chronos into the lead---- Night 3 (0 posts) Day 4 (7 posts) [post 1031](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12315144&postcount=1031)Votes Tom [post 1042](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12326615&postcount=1042) wants it on the record that he’s voted for Tom for 2 Days (despite moving to oneandonly on Day 2) [post 1126](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12336061&postcount=1126) asks Oredigger who he has protected after Oredigger claims Doctor [post 1133](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12336384&postcount=1133) unvotes Tom. Still thinks Tom is Scum, but thinks a better vote is Rysto or Oredigger. Hasn’t figured out which but is leaning Oredigger [post 1135](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12336494&postcount=1135) votes Oredigger after the obvious is pointed out that Rysto had no Scum motivation to claim but oredigger did. [post 1144](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12337757&postcount=1144) not sure what this means. don’t think it’s important [post 1179](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12344659&postcount=1179) again reminds everyone that he’s voted for Tom. Night 4 (5 posts) [post 1200](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12346835&postcount=1200) good for us. wonders why oredigger claimed Doc [post 1204](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12346906&postcount=1204) answers that we can discuss strategy at Night [post 1207](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12347150&postcount=1207) answers Ed who was wondering why MHaye and Zeriel were removed when they had voted [post 1220](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12353434&postcount=1220) Census fluff [post 1223](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12353924&postcount=1223) more census fluff Day 5 (4 posts) [post 1232](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12358102&postcount=1232) votes Tom [post 1273](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12368473&postcount=1273) comments that he’s participated only a little because he’s already voted and there isn’t much to comment on. Liked Red’s summary on Tom [post 1285](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12371747&postcount=1285) is not Captain Me too. is busy. ins’t talkative. votes early. comments on a question from Guiri regarding understanding story’s vote but ‘not getting it’ [post 1303](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12371747&postcount=1303) was right about Tom awhile ago Night 5 (1 post) [post 1318](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12374386&postcount=1318) comments briefly on the ongoing discussion of Meeko Day 6 (7 posts) [post 1343](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12387474&postcount=1343) his summary of everyone so far. where he includes our confirmed Town and finds no one but Meeko suspicious. He’ll get heat for this [post 1346](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12387748&postcount=1346) oops, shouldn’t have included confirmed Town in his list, especially saying he had little read on them. [post 1361](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12389496&postcount=1361) is not apathetic. is playing pro\_town. points out yet again his vote for Tom for 3 Days, and then makes a Scum wouldn’t do that kind of busing argument [post 1363](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12389701&postcount=1363) r-word fluff [post 1366](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12390198&postcount=1366)gay fluff [post 1369](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12391474&postcount=1369) no read on Red. votes Meeko [post 1384](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12394800&postcount=1384) 1. Voted for Tom and kept his vote on him for 3 Days (note: except for the 2 times he didn’t keep his vote on him!) 2. Scum spread their arguments out on people, and he hasn’t done that. In fact, he has almost no cases against anyone. (note: except Tom, see preceding) Night 6 (0 posts) Day 7 up until now (8 posts) [post 1406](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12405686&postcount=1406) hopes Rysto wasn’t waiting until 1 PM to PM his protection. has no idea who to kill toDay. [post 1409](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12405998&postcount=1409) defends himself from ym comments about him reading the Scum thread. makes his case against himself like I’d requested. his case is 1. forgot cookies was confirmed and 2. hasn’t participated much, but (Wait for it…wait for it…) he voted Tom a lot! and he was Right! [post 1410](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12405999&postcount=1410) comments on my request for people to make the cases against themselves. [post 1412](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12406010&postcount=1412) positive thoughts fluff [post 1417](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12406161&postcount=1417) seems to understand my comments about the Scum thread and an early Day start. [post 1437](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12410598&postcount=1437)has no idea what to do! doesn’t really think Ed is scummy for one bad idea. [post 1445](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12412477&postcount=1445) (note, you’ll like this one) has found plenty of people suspicious!! and, the obligatory "and was an early voter to get Tom, who(if you have forgotten) turned out to be scum. " [post 1454](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12412910&postcount=1454) isn’t jumpy is accurate (in reply to Red’s comment about 1445) ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1476 "2010-05-05T03:54:13Z")
This one is easier and won’t even need spoilers Pre-game (2 posts) [Post 17](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12240172&postcount=17) in [post 85](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12242752&postcount=85) confirmed Day 1 (11 posts) [post 159](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12244131&postcount=159) claims Ogden Nash (poet) [post 302](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12251906&postcount=302) isn’t putting much into the typos [post 312](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12252290&postcount=312) after the peeker claim/not claim debacle, chimes in to tell peeker its better to be clear [post 316](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12252434&postcount=316) votes TexCat because TexCat was suspicious of peeker for leaving out the parenthetical [post 385](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12255400&postcount=385) addresses the votes against him. he clarifies that his vote against TexCat is because texCat is voting for a reason Red can’t see Scum doing. Why would Scum draw attention to themselves? [post 395](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12256376&postcount=395) clarifies again he meant “Doing that does not make one Scum” and not “Scum wouldn’t do that” [post 510](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12261961&postcount=510) was once Scum politician 2 games in a row [post 599](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12265803&postcount=599) moving vote won’t matter. is pinged by drain’s smudge comments on the peeker train. doesn’t support the votes on Chronos [post 608](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12265853&postcount=608) appears to agree with Ed that Kelly seemed to be posting as he caught up [post 610](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12265864&postcount=610) NETA to correct spelling [post 612](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12265886&postcount=612)more comments on Kelly and catching up, I think Night 1 (2 posts) [post 636](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12267067&postcount=636) fluff [post 647](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12269657&postcount=647) the document to keep track of day starts and ends Day 2 (3 posts) [post 727](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12279624&postcount=727) comments on an interaction in cecil pond. thinks NAF’s case on Kelly was rash, but that doesn’t mean Scum killed him. tried to understand Meeko. question Zeriel as to why he’s voting Drain [post 835](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12287957&postcount=835) trouble posting. is pinged by several, only metions freudian. Freudian is voting on bandwagons for weak reasons. votes Freudian [post 851](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12289912&postcount=851) questons story regarding the case against Mahaloth. asks what opportunistic voting is questions texcat’s assertion that Jimmy was against name claiming Night 2 (0 posts) Day 3 (1 post) [post 974](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12307486&postcount=974) 1. maybe story was cop, maybe not 2. texcat’s assertion that Freudian may have been Scum even though being blue? ridiculous 3. is pinged that Zeriel is voting Tom based on a coin flip. Thinks Zeriel may fear that staying on Drain too long will make him appear Scummy (kinda reminds me of Mahaloth and Tom) 4. doesn’t but the case against Tom 5. doesn’t like Jimmy’s case on Meeko 6. votes Chronos for a smudge and bluster in regards to his suspicion of guiri. (no, really, go read it) Night 3 (0 posts) Day 4 (8 posts) [post 1033](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12326139&postcount=1033) questions Rysto’s vote of Cookies. asks Meeko to recap the case on Texcat post 1036 clarifies himself to guiri in regards to the 'scum wouldn’t do that"/“that doesn’t look scummy” issue. asks how he is a clean noser. [post 1040](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12326469&postcount=1040) responds to guiri’s reply. (go check out guiri’s reply in [post 1038](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12326356&postcount=1038)) clarifies the smudge and bluster and says he’s suspicious of oredigger and texcat (has he commented on oredigger before, I may have missed it) [post 1084](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12326356&postcount=1084) discussion of the term fishing [post 1091](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327738&postcount=1091) questions meeko on a couple of odd points in an outline[post 1092](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327738&postcount=1092) more comments on fishing [post 1095](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12327797&postcount=1095) comments to Meeko regarding why is’t not needed for a 3rd mason to claim [post 1136](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12336691&postcount=1136) votes Oredigger after the claim/counterclaim [post 1139](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12337219&postcount=1139)responds cookies on the assertion that 95% of the time the inital claimant gets lynched in a counter claim situation. basically made up the number as far as I can tell. Night 4 (0 posts) Day 5 (3 posts) [post 1266](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12365636&postcount=1266) acknowledges the poke for not participating [post 1268](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12368108&postcount=1268) 1. dismisses Meeko’s case on drain 2. Votes Tom for several reasons [post 1269](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12368163&postcount=1269) comments to Drain that it wasn’t 2 of the 4 previous Tom voters repeated, when 1 of them was dead. it was technically 2 of 3. Night 5 (2 posts) [post 1310](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12373576&postcount=1310) comments that scum meeko looks like town meeko, only scum meeko is less likely to engage a scummate [post 1317](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12374282&postcount=1317) more comments on Meeko’s gameplay Day 6 (3 posts) [post 1325](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12383324&postcount=1325) more comments on Meeko’s gameplay [post 1331](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12383478&postcount=1331) isn’t really defending Meeko, jsut trying to find the case in the comments. Thinks Meeko is Scum in part because of the vote for Rysto over Oredigger post 1352 comments on the other players and a vote on Meeko. Meeko looks Scummy for trying to vote iin a bloc with people he thinks are Scum. Ed and Meeko aren’t likely both Scum. Drain is Scummy because she’s hard selling the Meeko lynch. Thought Mahaloth was Town until the post where he found no one scummy. [post 1370](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12391569&postcount=1370) fluff Night 6 (0 posts) Day 7 (8 posts) [post 1413](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12406116&postcount=1413) hopes Cookies has a reason for the vote. Doesn’t like the make a case against yourself idea. [post 1419](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12406208&postcount=1419) doesn’t trust Ed. has been almost burned by Ed before [post 1425](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12406883&postcount=1425) responds to many comments from me.(just go read it, it’s not that long ago) [post 1426](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12406902&postcount=1426) NETA [post 1431](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12408117&postcount=1431) makes brief summaries about each unconfirmed player. 1. Mahaloth seems to be apathetic town, but bought into Ed’s make your own case plan which is scummy. 2. Drain…links her to Tom a lot. (go read it) 3. Special Ed has spent the game building Town rep. most scummy thing is suggesting the own cases idea [post 1441](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12412393&postcount=1441) more back and forth with Ed [post 1443](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12412410&postcount=1443) votes Drain [post 1447](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12412486&postcount=1447) jumpy comment to Mahaloth and correction comment to Ed ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1477 "2010-05-05T03:55:37Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I’m still putting my cases together, but I’ve been quite clear all day that the two votes I’ve placed have been placeholders. Don’t you think it is more insightful to look at the big picture than just how the posts and votes have gone toDay? The prosecution rests, your honor. No, seriously, I need to rest. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1478 "2010-05-05T05:18:28Z")
I’m in he middle of combing through Drain’s posts and so far she is coming up pretty clean, while the Mahaloth posts I’ve encountered just in proximity to Drain’s are not looking good for him. I’ve already wasted too much time to hold my comments until I’m done, so I’m going to dole out what I have and keep going. Thoughts on Drain with Mahaloth tangents… Drain went willingly and without much comment into the name claim. Her only question was wondering how the order would be determined. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12249411&postcount=258](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12249411&postcount=258) - here Drain makes a minor smear at my previous incarnation, Kelly, for making a poorly justified bandwagon vote, but also allows for the possibility that Kelly’s status as a noob may be the root cause as opposed to scummitude. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12254360&postcount=347](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12254360&postcount=347) - here, Drain comes to Meeko’s defense and votes against a scummy Oredigger. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12277146&postcount=709](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12277146&postcount=709) - here Drain keeps the idea of a scummy Tom slipping on his Night Thread comment on the table. \ [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12279653&postcount=728](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12279653&postcount=728) - here Mahaloth comes about as close as possible to defending Tom’s “slip” about the overnight thread. stating “I totally see what he meant there.” This seems pretty blatant to me, but I’m one of those players who will often go out of my way to say things like “I had no problem parsing his alleged intent”. But to _know_ what Tom meant? [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12281256](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12281256) - here I’m linking to a page instead of an individual post here, because there is an interesting exchange involving Drain, Mahaloth, and Zeriel between posts 733 and 748. This is where the blindspot that is Zeriel really sucks. My gut reaction to reading this exchange (with the hindsight about Peeker) is that Mahaloth and Zeriel could very easily be scum together. Regardless of their alignments, they both appear to be squeezing Drain here a bit. This basically counts as Mahaloth tangent #2 as well. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1479 "2010-05-05T05:53:06Z")
[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12285201&postcount=775](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12285201&postcount=775) - here Drain brings up a very good point against Zeriel (who I am having a very hard time not reading as hostile to Town’s best interests, and the amount of grief that Mhaye received from Tom through this section has me leaning toward a Town read on Mhaye). \ [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12287547&postcount=815](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12287547&postcount=815) - at this point I’m not just reading the posts around Drain’s posts, but rather scanning pages for posts from Drain or Mahaloth, and this one is another that does not bode well for Mahaloth. Moving his vote from Tom, where he’d slapped it for Tom’s rather out-of-the-blue vote on Freudian (which, incidentally, Ed thought might have legs) onto One And Only Wanderers for making a suggestion that I have no problem seeing as a pro-town move. At this point I have no problem moving my placeholder to Mahaloth. **Unvote Ed** **Vote Mahaloth** Still subject to change, and I’m still re-hashing. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1480 "2010-05-05T12:40:31Z")
I can get behind a **Mahaloth** lynch; he’s running a close #2 behind **ed** for me right now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=73) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942.md?page=75)