# Random Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 18, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942 "2010-03-18T21:47:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 77
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1521 "2010-05-06T05:39:48Z")
Is anyone else even willing to weigh in on the possible implications of Zeriel in my summaries of Drain and Mahaloth? Ed is the only one I recall taking a stab the Zeriel was scum. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1522 "2010-05-06T07:10:13Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I neglected to mention that I’ve certainly noticed the coat-tailing, but I know you’re all possibly doing it in secret, so I don’t really see it as a scum tell that she’s being more obvious about it. > > Left-field idea, re-reading Red’s case against Drain. > > Tom seemed to flame out for no reason I could see within the game. If Drain was complicit in helping to bus him, and they were having a spat about that in the…heh…overnight thread, his flame out would make more sense to me. > > I’ve also weighed on on Drain’s handling of Meeko this game as a null tell based on previous games I’ve played where they’ve both been town. She’s hard on him then too. I just realized that Red already just previously posted a similar theory about a scummy Drain and Tom wrt Tom’s flameout. Guilty of skimming a paragraph as Town :eek: and we’re both in agreement that it is pretty far flung speculation. I’m going to leave my vote on Mahaloth at this point and call it a night. Drain and Ed would be on on my short list for trying to make heads or tails with Tomorrow, if the Town has one. 4 unconfirmed on 1, plus a swath of pre-sub pages, plus Zeriel and Mhaye unflipped is just a bit too much to ask of me and my usual approach to come up with a zinger. So let’s just get this over with already. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1523 "2010-05-06T07:15:17Z")
Actually…fuck it. We really did arrive at the same woowoo idea independently, and you know I have no reason to lie about that part. As far fetched as it might be, I’m crazy enough to run with it. Hopefully not off a cliff. **Unvote Mahaloth** **Vote Drain** ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1524 "2010-05-06T10:44:26Z")
Jesus Christ. Game over. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1525 "2010-05-06T10:47:15Z")
Also, is LyLo really the time for far-fetched and crazy? And if my goal was to bus Tom for cred, why did I unvote him when he started melting down? I wouldn’t get cred if I unvoted him. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1526 "2010-05-06T11:49:10Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Is anyone else even willing to weigh in on the possible implications of Zeriel in my summaries of Drain and Mahaloth? Ed is the only one I recall taking a stab the Zeriel was scum. My suspicion on Zeriel was based primarily on the voting record. Coupling that with what appears to be a missing Scum (2 known dead and 2 supposed alive) ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1527 "2010-05-06T11:53:26Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Actually…fuck it. We really did arrive at the same woowoo idea independently, and you know I have no reason to lie about that part. As far fetched as it might be, I’m crazy enough to run with it. Hopefully not off a cliff. > > **Unvote Mahaloth** > **Vote Drain** Oy! [Vinnie Barbarino] I’m so confused [/Vinnie Babarino] I’ll check back, getting ready for work ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1528 "2010-05-06T12:39:20Z")
I think you’re right that **zeriel** was Scum–the stuff you pointed out seems legit, the math adds up, and just from a metagamey fairness standpoint I think one of the two were Scum. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1529 "2010-05-06T14:17:50Z")
There is a decent chance I’m going to be stuck in a meeting at 2pm, so just as a reminder: > [@sachertorte](#): > > Days will end at precisely on Thursdays at 2:00 PM EDT by the SDMB clock. Board outages will not change the end of Day; plan carefully. All votes must have a time stamp of Thursday, 1:59 PM EDT or earlier. Posts and votes with time stamps Thursday, 2:00PM EDT or later will be ignored. If I’m not around at 2, I hope to be able to have the result up by 2:30. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1530 "2010-05-06T15:43:15Z")
Okay, so by my count, **Red** and **Cookies** are voting for me, while **ed** and I are voting for **Mahaloth**. **Mahaloth** is voting for **ed** , and our tie rules say that the person who received the latest vote will be safe, if I’m reading that correctly. That’s me. So right now, our only confirmed Town has set up a scenario in which the person she was voting for as Scum before me gets to be the one who breaks the tie that is currently not in his favor. W. T. F. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1531 "2010-05-06T15:46:41Z")
And on that note, I can do nothing else but point at the facts already placed in front of us and let **Cookies** decide if she’s willing to take the risk at LyLo that **Mahaloth** is Town. Because by putting this in his hands, that’s essentially what she’s doing. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1532 "2010-05-06T15:50:17Z")
Sorry…that last post wasn’t very clear. What I’m saying is that the ONLY way we get ahead in this scenario is if **Mahaloth** is Town and I am Scum. If you’re willing to determine that both of those are true, we live to see another Day. If you think we’re both Scum, that’s great, because it would have been **Mahaloth** anyway. But if I’m telling the truth, you’ve just handed the win to Scum. On a “woowoo” idea that is “far fetched” and “crazy” and COULD HAVE ALSO BEEN SUGGESTED BY SCUM (although I think **Red** is probably our other Town). ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1533 "2010-05-06T15:54:14Z")
One last thing. If I’m doing my math right, and we’re right in assuming there’s two Scum out of five players, and you get one toDay, that takes us down to four players. Three in the morning. We’re STILL at LyLo tomorrow. So Scum wouldn’t have nearly as much to fight about as I do right now–they can still win this thing. If I go down toDay, we’re fucked. Please, **Cookies** , don’t go with “woowoo” and “crazy” on Day Six! There’s so much more evidence out there. If you’re going to make an actual case, make a fucking case, and respond to my points against what you said. But if this is the way this game ends, I am going to be _pissed_. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1534 "2010-05-06T16:30:27Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > And on that note, I can do nothing else but point at the facts already placed in front of us and let **Cookies** decide if she’s willing to take the risk at LyLo that **Mahaloth** is Town. Because by putting this in his hands, that’s essentially what she’s doing. It’s not in his hands. Because he’s not going to vote for himself. His only choice is to lynch himself or lynch you. I have to assume he’ll vote for you. It’s really in my hands. I can follow Cookies and vote for you and that seals it, or I can hope Mahaloth doesn’t show up and lynch him. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1535 "2010-05-06T16:32:56Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > One last thing. If I’m doing my math right, and we’re right in assuming there’s two Scum out of five players, and you get one toDay, that takes us down to four players. Three in the morning. We’re STILL at LyLo tomorrow. So Scum wouldn’t have nearly as much to fight about as I do right now–they can still win this thing. If I go down toDay, we’re fucked. This assumes 2 Scum. If you are the last Scum, you would fight this hard. If there are 2 Scum and Mahaloth is Town, you’d also fight this hard to try to get the win now. This Scum wouldn’t do that argument isn’t making sense. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1536 "2010-05-06T16:41:08Z")
**unvote Mahaloth** **vote Drain** I hope your gut is right, Cookies. At one point you voted for each of us toDay…hehe I was still hoping that looking at who suspected whom might help. Drain had Ed as the top suspect but Mahaloth second. Red had Drain first and Mahaloth 2nd. Ed had Mahaloth first and Red second. Mahaloth had Drain first and a wishy washy second. I’ve also wavered on the Red/Drain issues. Red left a lot less to analyze. But, anyway, looking at the list and calculating the 3 handed game if we get it right toDay: Lynch Drain. 3 handed results in Ed and Red lynching Mahaloth. This means Ed and Red must be Town. Lynch Ed. 3 handed results in Red and Mahaloth lynching Drain. This means Red and Mahaloth must be Town. Lynch Red. 3 handed results in Ed and Drain lynching Mahaloth. This means Ed and Drain must be Town. Lynch Mahaloth. 3 handed results in Red voting for Drain, Ed voting for Red, and Drain voting for Ed. Someone willhave to convince someone of something… ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1537 "2010-05-06T17:13:45Z")
We’re done. Game over. Sorry, guys. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1538 "2010-05-06T17:16:35Z")
Short of both **Red** and **Cookies** unvoting me, this game ends now unless there’s only one Scum. If one of you comes into this thread and says you’re not unvoting me, can we end this game before 2:00 so I can go bitch in the Forbidden thread? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1539 "2010-05-06T17:22:39Z")
Also, this is _bullshit_ that **Cookies** isn’t coming back here to at least read my defense against her vote, which _nobody_ is bothering to comment on. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/random-mafia/532942/1540 "2010-05-06T17:36:28Z")
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