# Rant about Hillary **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 20, 2005, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050 "2005-02-20T20:00:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/1 "2005-02-20T20:00:20Z")
Hillary traveling to Iraq makes me upset and angry ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/2 "2005-02-20T20:01:13Z")
Um…why? ---
**Author:** ![Kid\_A\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Kid\_A\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kid_A_1)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/3 "2005-02-20T20:02:53Z")
I’m kind of hoping there’s a second part of the OP that was cut off. Because I am intrigued. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/4 "2005-02-20T20:03:22Z")
Limbaugh going to Afghanistan makes you do the happy dance? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/5 "2005-02-20T20:03:57Z")
I wouldn’t call that a rant. It’s not even a particularly impressive sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/6 "2005-02-20T20:10:02Z")
I would like to hear the reasoning behind this. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/7 "2005-02-20T20:24:16Z")
Hillary Clinton has rapidly become one of my favorite Democrats, and I mean that sincerely. Whether I agree with her or not, I find that her comments are almost always serious and well thought out. She has been serious about the Iraq war, even if disagreeing with the administration about a number of things regarding it. She’s a very good senator. She’s in Iraq because, whether you agreed with the war or not, success in Iraq is now hugely important to the United States, and so as a senator she felt she should go there to improve her knowledge of what’s going on so that she could make better decisions. It also takes guts for someone like Hillary to go to Iraq, because a lot of soldiers don’t like her much. So I respect her for going even more. Good on ya, Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/8 "2005-02-20T20:56:07Z")
> [@](#): > > I wouldn’t call that a rant. It’s not even a particularly impressive sentence. I can assure you it was, with a lot of F words, and the B word, but that part is lost in the digestive system of our hampster. > [@](#): > > Um…why? It’s not her job, she has no place being there. > [@](#): > > Limbaugh going to Afghanistan makes you do the happy dance? Not particularly **Sam Stone** I agree with much of what you said, though I disagree with the following: > [@](#): > > She’s a very good senator. If she was a very good senator she would do her job, which travel to Iraq is not a function of it. > [@](#): > > and so as a senator she felt she should go there to improve her knowledge of what’s going on so that she could make better decisions. I find this one hard to believe that you truly believe this is her reason for going. > [@](#): > > It also takes guts for someone like Hillary to go to Iraq, because a lot of soldiers don’t like her much. So I respect her for going even more. Are you suggesting that our own forces are a danger to her? Again I really don’t think you really think that is true. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/9 "2005-02-20T21:07:40Z")
Of course I don’t think she’s in danger from the troops. That’s silly. But it’s not pleasant to be in a room with people who don’t like you, even if they are taking effort to be pleasant (and I would expect the soldiers to do that, too). My point was that it’s a little different for someone like McCain, who’s going to be treated as a rock star when he visits the troops. And how do you possibly figure that understanding the situation in Iraq is not part of her job? ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/10 "2005-02-20T21:12:32Z")
About a month ago I received a email from a person I know who is in the military, which included a photo of Senator Clinton with some military type person. I deleted the photo and I cannot find a link to it now, but in it Clinton was smiling and the military person standing next to her was smiling, but the military person was using his hand to make some sort of symbol. He wasn’t making bunny ears behind Clinton’s head, but apparently this was a military insider’s joke on Clinton, because the military person was supposedly making the hand signal that they’re trained to use when put into an enemy’s propaganda photo, ie, that “I’m all right but they’re making me do this under duress.” It was a funny joke photo to my email correspondent. I replied back to him, suggesting none too kindly that if the photo wasn’t doctored then the military person who posed for the photo ought to get disciplined for embarrassing a US Senator like that, which my correspondent didn’t think was at all funny. Which is my round about way of saying that I believe there is some hostility toward Senator Clinton from our military. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/11 "2005-02-20T21:15:46Z")
McCain is with her. Are you saying it’s ok for him to be there but not her? ---
**Author:** ![Legolamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4491bb/32.png) [@Legolamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Legolamb)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/12 "2005-02-20T21:19:20Z")
What a pathetic… well, it’s not even a rant, what the hell do I call it? Fetid pile of crap, perhaps? On the other hand, great post **Sam**. I’m not a fan of Hillary as a person, but she is doing a good job as senator, so it’s good to see someone with an opposing political viewpoint recognise that too. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/13 "2005-02-20T21:23:20Z")
> [@](#): > > McCain is with her. Are you saying it’s ok for him to be there but not her? How in the world could you have possibly have gotten from what I wrote that it’s ‘not okay’ for her to be there? Are you even reading what I write? Or are you just looking for keywords you can rant over or something? My point is that Hillary should get MORE credit for being there, because it’s harder for her. I thought that was pretty clear. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/14 "2005-02-20T21:27:31Z")
It wasn’t directed at you **Sam**. It was directed to the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/15 "2005-02-20T21:30:14Z")
**Sam** , may I say that I am truly impressed with your first post here? That sort of thoughtful, reasoned response across party lines is what this place need a lot more of. > [@kanicbird](#): > > It’s not her job, she has no place being there. > > If she was a very good senator she would do her job, which travel to Iraq is not a function of it. **Kanicbird** , would you be so kind as to explain these two quotes? I would think that making a fact-finding trip to a country where our troops are fighting and we’re pouring money into in an effort to rebuild a stable, functioning democracy, would be a very important part of a Senator’s job. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/16 "2005-02-20T21:30:45Z")
Reeder: My apologies. Shoudn’t have snapped back at you. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/17 "2005-02-20T21:34:09Z")
> [@](#): > > But it’s not pleasant to be in a room with people who don’t like you OK, I understand this now. > [@](#): > > And how do you possibly figure that understanding the situation in Iraq is not part of her job? I can’t see a relationship between getting the US citizens to pay for ‘make work’ projects in NY, which has been the ‘unwritten’ job of a senator, and taking a photo opp in another country. Again I don’t believe for one second that she went over there to ‘understand’ what is going on. What she did is a presidental function, what she did was to help her run for Pres in '08, what she did is screw the people of NY by not doing her job. > [@](#): > > McCain is with her. Are you saying it’s ok for him to be there but not her? I didn’t knoe he was, WTF is he doing there too, perhaps every town executive should make a trip to Iraq. > [@](#): > > What a pathetic… well, it’s not even a rant, what the hell do I call it? Fetid pile of crap, perhaps? Sorry if this doesn’t measure up to your standards. ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/18 "2005-02-20T21:34:09Z")
I didn’t know I was supposed to be outraged by this, but now that I know a Senator visiting Iraq is a pittable offense, I don’t have enough outrage to go around. So I’ll just create a Nixon-style enemies list. The following Senators ought to be doing their jobs, instead of dicking around in Iraq: [ul][li]Joe Biden (D-DE)[/li][li]Sam Brownback (R-KS)[/li][li]Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)[/li][li]Norm Coleman (R-MN)[/li][li]Susan Collins (R-ME)[/li][li]Mark Dayton (D-MN)[/li][li]Jim DeMint (R-SC)[/li][li]Russ Feingold (D-WI)[/li][li]Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)[/li][li]Lindsey Graham (R-SC)[/li][li]Chuck Hagel (R-NE)[/li][li]Joe Lieberman (D-CT)[/li][li]John McCain (R-AZ)[/li][/ul] And no doubt many others. Get back to work! ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/19 "2005-02-20T21:35:14Z")
And don’t get me started on those jackasses over in the House. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2005, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/20 "2005-02-20T21:37:38Z")
> [@](#): > > I can’t see a relationship between getting the US citizens to pay for ‘make work’ projects in NY, which has been the ‘unwritten’ job of a senator, and taking a photo opp in another country. Again I don’t believe for one second that she went over there to ‘understand’ what is going on. What she did is a presidental function, what she did was to help her run for Pres in '08, what she did is screw the people of NY by not doing her job. You do know that Hillary is a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, right? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050.md?page=2)