# Rant about Hillary **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 20, 2005, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050 "2005-02-20T20:00:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/41 "2005-02-21T00:20:38Z")
I’m gonna side with **kanicbird** on this. The Senator has no need to be in Iraq, nor do any other Senators. Ya know why? Because there’s already a lot of people there. Smart people in the employ of the government, many of whom are writing detailed reports and sending them up the chain. I feel confident that anyone reading these reports would be quite well versed in the goings-on in Iraq. It would not surprise me to learn that Senator Clinton has read many of these reports, if not all of them. I do not believe that she will learn anything she did not already read in a report. US Senators should not be going to Iraq. It’s expensive (Senators travel with staff). It’s potentially dangerous (insurgents and what-not). And it serves no purpose except propaganda and campaign fodder and they should pay for that shit themselves. My opinion anyway… ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/42 "2005-02-21T00:22:42Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > . > I think she has regrets of not running in '04, and have no doubts she is planning to run in '08, sticking it to the residents of NY. Which is it? You don’t like her as your current Senator, but you suggest that she’s gonna “stick it to you” by vacating the office and running for President in '08. What would satisfy you? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/43 "2005-02-21T00:24:06Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > I’m gonna side with **kanicbird** on this. The Senator has no need to be in Iraq, nor do any other Senators. Ya know why? Because there’s already a lot of people there. Smart people in the employ of the government, many of whom are writing detailed reports and sending them up the chain. :rolleyes: It’ll certainly do wonders for our government if everybody takes written reports as gospel and nobody investigates everything. Think of how much time that’ll save. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/44 "2005-02-21T00:34:01Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > I’m gonna side with **kanicbird** on this. The Senator has no need to be in Iraq, nor do any other Senators. Ya know why? Because there’s already a lot of people there. Smart people in the employ of the government, many of whom are writing detailed reports and sending them up the chain. I feel confident that anyone reading these reports would be quite well versed in the goings-on in Iraq. It would not surprise me to learn that Senator Clinton has read many of these reports, if not all of them. I do not believe that she will learn anything she did not already read in a report. > > US Senators should not be going to Iraq. It’s expensive (Senators travel with staff). It’s potentially dangerous (insurgents and what-not). And it serves no purpose except propaganda and campaign fodder and they should pay for that shit themselves. > > My opinion anyway… As an avid supporter of the liberation of Iraq, I’m grateful that our elected officials are not taking for granted the reports generated by the people who have the most incentive to create reports favorable to their viewpoint and are going to see things for themselves – that’s particularly true of those who had concerns about the war going into it. Grateful, but not surprised – I expect no less from people in whom such trust has been placed by the voters. I think I disagree with Senator Clinton much much more often than I agree. And I’m proud that she’s my Senator. She’s no Moynihan, but she ain’t bad. Certainly better than that do-nothing dope Lazio would have been. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/45 "2005-02-21T00:34:23Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Perhaps before you go making assumptions (including that Sen. Clinton is lying in her repeated statements that she is **not** planning to run for President in 2008) And what will you say if she does run in '08? That she changed her mind? Seems like wanting to have your cake, and eat it too, but maybe that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/46 "2005-02-21T00:56:58Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > … (including that Sen. Clinton is lying in her repeated statements that she is **not** planning to run for President in 2008) … Not to be a pain, but do you have a cite for this? I’ve _never_ heard that she’s said she won’t run in 2008, and I can’t find anything on Google. I did, however, find [this](http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/Election%202008--Kerry,%20Clinton,%20Rice.htm): > [@](#): > > In a very early look at the 2008 Presidential Election, Senator Hillary Clinton leads Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice 47% to 40%. At the same time, Secretary Rice leads Senator John Kerry 45% to 43%. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/47 "2005-02-21T01:52:22Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > And there you have it, folks – everything the EEEEEEEEEEEE-vil Hillary does is motivated by one thing and one thing only: her EEEEEEEEEE-vil designs on the Presidency! She couldn’t possibly do anything for any other reason, oh, no. It’s all part of her EEEEEEEEEE-vil plot to run for President. > > Gosh, **kanicbird** , thanks for alerting me, I didn’t realize such EEEEEEEE-vil, indeed nefarious skulduggery was afoot. You forgot the evil laugh. BWWAAAAAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA You can’t have EEEEEEEE-vil without the evil laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Goob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c77e96/32.png) [@Mr.Goob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Goob)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/48 "2005-02-21T02:28:17Z")
I have no problem with a Senator going on a junket to see what’s going on in the world concerning national interests. I believe in what Tip O’Neil said, all politics are local. As a New York State resident I have a problem with her. I can’t point to much of anything she has done to benefit me as a NYS resident. As a native of Illinois and later Arkansas why did she come to NY to run? What loyality or interests did she have to run here? This is not an anti-Dem point of view. I didn’t vote for Chuck Schumer either but I’ve grown to like him and will vote for him the next time he runs. (I worked with a guy who became a good friend who grew up with the Senator who said he was an asshole as a kid, during jr high, as a teenager etc. With a personal endorsment like that how could you like a guy?) Schumer has championed and brought projects into Western New York that I can appreciate. Senator Clinton has not. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/49 "2005-02-21T02:44:13Z")
The American taxpayers have already coughed up $87 billlion for this, and are now being asked for another $80+ billion. I’d be pissed if the people charged with approving these expenditures _weren’t_ going over to see for themselves what was happening. **spooje** , you were being sarcastic, right? That was a whoosh? If not, can I be your personal accountant? I’ll write you lots of detailed reports all about where your money’s gone and why everything’s being taken care of just fine so you don’t have to worry about a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/50 "2005-02-21T02:45:05Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > As for the qualifications, well it apears she cheated many out of their life savings (whitewater), but somehow she got out of that. Cite? Last I checked, she was exonerated of any wrongdoing in Whitewater. Could you tell specifically what crimes you think she committed and specifically what your evidence is? > [@This Year's Model](#): > > Not to be a pain, but do you have a cite for this? I’ve _never_ heard that she’s said she won’t run in 2008, and I can’t find anything on Google. [ > [@](#): > > “I have no intention of running for president,” Mrs. Clinton said when asked about the 2008 race in the ABC interview in which she promoted her new book, “Living History,” about her time in the White House. ]([http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/03/politics/main556835.shtml](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/03/politics/main556835.shtml)) That’s just one example. She also said it on Tim Russert once and probably elsewhere. She has never once, to my knowledge, ever stated any intention to run for president. > [@](#): > > I did, however, find [this](http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/Election%202008--Kerry,%20Clinton,%20Rice.htm): Is this supposed to prove something about Hillary’s intentions? Anybody can be asked about in a poll. Pollsters try all kinds of permutations, even very unlikely ones just to see what the results will be. It does not mean that the hypothetical candidates are actually planning anything. By the way, I’m pretty sure that Rice has never announced any intention to run for the WH either. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/51 "2005-02-21T02:46:48Z")
[Fixed link](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/03/politics/main556835.shtml) ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/52 "2005-02-21T02:54:32Z")
I’m another person who doesn’t particularly **like** Hillary Clinton, nor do I like that she is my senator. Frankly, I’m still pissed that the only way she can think to boost the upstate economy is to lobby for an increase in casinos. Having said that, while I’ll admit I believe that her visit to Iraq has as much to do with publicity for herself as any legitimate needs to be there - that doesn’t mean that I don’t think she doesn’t have legitimate reasons to go. Given some of the junkets that the US gov’t has paid for for Senators, Representatives, and sometimes governors and mayors, this isn’t even near the top of the list as frivolous. **kanicbird** , I think you’re barking up the wrong tree, here. Esp. when there are so many other legitimate things to be annoyed with her for. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/53 "2005-02-21T02:57:47Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Well now that you people have edgimicated me, I would have to go with the media coverage of Hillary going to Iraq. > > I think we can agree on this, and also it appears you have a knee jerk reaction of any criticism of Hillary. On what evidence do you base this lastassertion? I have made no defence of Senator Clinton in this thread, and i’m perfectly willing to listen to genuine criticism of her. In fact, if you had bothered to read it, you would have noticed that i said specifically in my last post: > [@mhendo](#): > > No-one said you have to like her, and no-one said you shouldn’t criticise her. You have no evidence from this thread that i have “a knee jerk reaction of any criticism of Hillary,” because my reaction in this thread has so far merely been to point out the inadequacy and inconsistency of your own posts, and the apparent confusion you are in regarding exactly who you should be angry at, and why. First it was Hillary, and now, by your own admission, it’s the media. Make up (what’s left of) your mind. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/54 "2005-02-21T03:02:46Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Is this supposed to prove something about Hillary’s intentions? No, I just thought it was an interesting tidbit that I stumbled across looking for the cite you provided. Four years to go and they’re already polling. You’re allowed to think it’s not interesting. Speaking of your cite, why were they asking her about 2008 in June of 2003? I wonder if it’s a typo. No big deal, really. If she did say it, she’s allowed to change her mind. I won’t be surprised if she runs, nor will I be if she doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/55 "2005-02-21T03:15:40Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > Speaking of your cite, why were they asking her about 2008 in June of 2003? I wonder if it’s a typo. No typo. It was a follow up to asking her about 2004. Basically she was constantly being asked about 2004 and when she’d say no, they’d say “what about 2008?” and she’d still say no. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/56 "2005-02-21T04:19:51Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Lets just say I have some serious issues as to her qualifications to be senator. Is she at least 30 years old? Is she a resident of New York State? Is she a US citizen? Then guess what? She is qualified to be a US Senator. And since she easily won an election for the office, you really need to accept this fact and move on with your life. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/57 "2005-02-21T04:56:21Z")
…And as a former high-powered lawyer, first lady of Arkansas and first lady of the United States, I’d say that on paper she’s got better qualifications than 90% of the people who become Senators. And while I thought Whitewater was fishy, as was her cattle futures thing, that’s like decades ago. It’s been dragged through the mud, and no proof was ever found. So an honest person at some point has to accept that and move on. Ranting about whitewater today is just weak. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/58 "2005-02-21T05:15:44Z")
> [@Sublight](#): > > **spooje** , you were being sarcastic, right? That was a whoosh? If not, can I be your personal accountant? I’ll write you lots of detailed reports all about where your money’s gone and why everything’s being taken care of just fine so you don’t have to worry about a thing. And what the fuck do you think she’s gonna find in her fact finding trip? She’s gonna be ther for what? A week? Two weeks? Three weeks? Just how much of the story is she gonna be able to unearth in that amount of time, assuming of course she’s actually looking? How much leg work is she gonna do? If she ain’t reading and trusting reports from others, she’s gonna need to take a leave of absence from her Senate gig. She ain’t there to get the story. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/59 "2005-02-21T07:59:10Z")
I think kanicbird is sexually attracted to Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/60 "2005-02-21T12:47:45Z")
OK thanks all, with your help I think I’ve figured out my issue w/ Hillary. She is like the person who just came off the street and now is your boss. I don’t have any respect for her, and don’t understand what others see in her. I really don’t care about her opinions on issues any more then any other person opinion, but I am bombarded by an overwhelming tusumi of her opions, this makes it worse every time I hear more from her. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050.md?page=4)