# Rant about Hillary **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 20, 2005, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050 "2005-02-20T20:00:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/81 "2005-02-21T19:24:06Z")
> [@](#): > > . I believe she has shown class, intelligence and compassion as both the First Lady and as Senator. Yes I do agree with this, but also get a strong feeling that she looks down upon the ‘common man’, and sees herself above us. > [@](#): > > stepping stone more then anything else. > > How unlike any other politician in the history of the world. OK yes you are right, but because it seems like I always hear her statement about everything, it just seems more obvious. > [@](#): > > You’re kidding, right? > > The “support” you’ve gotten so far has come from a couple moderates who said, Didn’t someone mention how much credit they give H becasue she went to a place hostile to her? Same thing here, I knew my views were not welcome here, but I’m boldly posting them anyway 😛 > [@](#): > > Been there, done that–and still do. Now I work, part time (2 days a week). Suburban soccer mom life IS my life. Where do you get that I am anti-homemaker? More importainly why has some of those who defend her have to turn this into a gender based issue, doing so is sexist and disgusting. > [@](#): > > now feel smug that you have been proven correct in your misguided assumptions about Dems. No I feel smug because I, with the help of you, I was able to better define my beef w/ H. > [@](#): > > Leftists hardly hold the market on crap spewing. No there are some progressives, and liberals also (just kidding, we all know that all sides can spew crap) ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/82 "2005-02-21T20:28:53Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Can you explain how being a First Lady makes you qualified to do anything but pour coffee? Well, if the First Lady happened to be a world-class nuclear physicist before her husband got elected to the White House, I’d _hope_ she’d still be qualified to discuss nuclear physics even after she moved in, whether she’s pouring coffee or not. Unless you’re suggesting that families moving into the White House get complimentary lobotomies. Which _would_ explain the Bush daughters… ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/83 "2005-02-21T22:14:12Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Well, if the First Lady happened to be a world-class nuclear physicist before her husband got elected to the White House, I’d _hope_ she’d still be qualified to discuss nuclear physics even after she moved in, whether she’s pouring coffee or not. I understand that. But the implication of the statement that I was commenting on was that being First Lady is some kind of qualification, which it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/84 "2005-02-21T23:23:23Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **Sam** , is this the part where you tell us you’re not really a Republican anyway? Sam’s a (shudder) Canadian. As far as I know, there’s no Republican party in Canada. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2005, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/85 "2005-02-21T23:39:39Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > I understand that. But the implication of the statement that I was commenting on was that being First Lady is some kind of qualification, which it isn’t. Heh. Who knows, if Hillary follows the path that some people have mapped out for her, maybe in four or eight years we’ll be talking about the appropriate qualifications for a First Gentleman. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/86 "2005-02-22T00:03:30Z")
Back to the OP. Ever since 1990, when Bill Clinton was elected, something about him rubbed me the wrong way. Not his policies, not his politics, just something personal that I didn’t like. Hillary the same way. She’s always seemed politically tone-deaf and self-righteous. I just couldn’t buy the package, and their made-for-Montel Williams marriage. That said, pretty much everything I’ve heard from Hillary since she’s been elected Senator has been right on. The political tone-deafness is gone. The snidyness is gone. The falseness is gone. Either she finally stopped listening to the image consultants or she finally started, either way I have offically stopped hating Hillary. Going to Iraq is her job, especially as an opposition party member. She can’t just rely on reading the newspapers or even the committe briefings. Everything I’ve read her say about Iraq has been well concieved. The contention that she’s a grandstanding bitch for going to Iraq is stunningly stupid. She may or may not be a grandstanding bitch (You wouldn’t be able to form a quorum in Congress if you excluded bitches, let alone grandstanding ones), but why exactly is it a problem for her to go to Iraq? Kanicbird, you’re being an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/87 "2005-02-22T01:15:23Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > I understand that. But the implication of the statement that I was commenting on was that being First Lady is some kind of qualification, which it isn’t. Actually, First Lady has become a _de facto_ public office, whether the President’s wife wishes it to be or not (and Mmes. Hoover and Truman emphatically did not). It’s worth noting that like her role model Eleanor Roosevelt, Hillary Clinton accomplished a great deal using her public-figure status. She did a good deal of _pro bono_ work in Arkansas that led to the resolution of some significant problems there, according to a non-adulatory paperback biography I bought some years back (and now can’t find to cite details or source). And she worked in a professional legal capacity for the Special Prosecutor’s Office during Watergate, a fact not generally disseminated. I honestly don’t know how well she has represented New York State during the last four years. I will observe that I lived for over 48 years, from the day Truman was reelected until 1998, in a small upstate city. Two years after I left, Hillary Clinton made several trips to that city in the course of her campaign. It was the **first time** an incumbent Senator or major party candidate for a Senate seate from New York had visited that city during my lifetime. We honestly and quite literally saw more of the Secretary of State in my childhood and youth than we did of our own Senators (John Foster Dulles was born there and had a vacation cottage near there). ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/88 "2005-02-22T02:31:20Z")
> [@OtakuLoki](#): > > **DtC** , the thing about her health care plan that bothered me, at the time, was the secrecy surrounding how it was created, and how angrily she responded to any questions from legislators, reporters and the public. “how angrily she responded…”??? Cite? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/89 "2005-02-22T13:38:29Z")
OK-my assumption has been confirmed. I did not make this into a “gender issue”–I commented on your post, you replied and I, in turn, answered. Better we should stick to the matter at hand, mmh? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2005, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/90 "2005-02-22T23:58:02Z")
> [@](#): > > OK-my assumption has been confirmed. Mine too > [@](#): > > ke this into a “gender issue”–I commented on your post, you replied and I, in turn, answered. Me neither if you bothered to read all the posts. I was not the one to initiate the sexist comment. > [@](#): > > Better we should stick to the matter at hand, mmh? That’s what I wanted. > [@](#): > > Kanicbird, you’re being an idiot. You know **Lemur866** your right, I’m sorry to you all and promise not to dislike Hillary in the future. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2005, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/91 "2005-02-23T02:06:25Z")
No, silly. You’ve _completely_ missed the point. Dislike Hillary all you want. Just try to base your dislike in actual reality. It’s always a good idea to have reasons for things, instead of making a decision first and then finding stupid stuff to justify that decision. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2005, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/92 "2005-02-28T23:00:42Z")
> [@andros](#): > > No, silly. You’ve _completely_ missed the point. > > Dislike Hillary all you want. Just try to base your dislike in actual reality. It’s always a good idea to have reasons for things, instead of making a decision first and then finding stupid stuff to justify that decision. Eh. It’s SOP. Make a poorly thought out point and then play the victim card. If the thread had continued, at some point we’d have ended up with some whining diatribe about how this board is full of Lefties and Righties can’t get a fair shake. -Joe, on the road with no access for quite some time ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2005, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/93 "2005-03-01T03:31:41Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > You know **Lemur866** your right, I’m sorry to you all and promise not to dislike Hillary in the future. Thanks, Kanicbird. It takes a big man to admit he was wrong, but it takes an even bigger man to laugh at that man. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2005, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050/94 "2005-03-01T16:19:17Z")
[QUOTE=Sam Stone] Hillary Clinton has rapidly become one of my favorite Democrats, and I mean that sincerely. [QUOTE] > [@manhattan](#): > > And I’m proud that she’s my Senator. She’s no Moynihan, but she ain’t bad. You two are bringin’ a tear to a brother’s eye! Sounds like you might agree with what my wife said during the 1992 campaign, “No, Hillary and Tipper for president and vice-president. Bill and Al for, well, I don’t know what.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rant-about-hillary/291050.md?page=4)