# Rantings about stupid nuclear reporting, and I want to bitchslap somebody, also other crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077 "2011-03-26T19:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/361 "2011-03-30T02:10:07Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Now before you go all crazy and start trying to say anything about that report, remember, you don’t know shit about what is going on. > > Nothing, nada, not a bit, except for what somebody tells you, be it TEPCO or some other fucking liar official, who also doesn’t know shit. What, precisely, makes you different from us in your ability to know shit about what’s going on? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/362 "2011-03-30T02:11:39Z")
I hang out with really smart people who discuss science? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/363 "2011-03-30T02:15:07Z")
Shame none of it rubs off on you, man. ☹ -XT ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/364 "2011-03-30T02:15:28Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I hang out with really smart people who discuss science? So what are your sources? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/365 "2011-03-30T02:26:55Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Of the general public? I’m unaware of any member of the general US public that has died due to radiation leaking or radiation exposure from a commercial US nuclear power plant. Do you have a cite showing this to be an error? > > -XT Karen Silkwood was a member of the general public. Or is it okay to kill someone deliberately if they work for you? Good try on moving the goalposts. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/366 "2011-03-30T02:36:46Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > So what are your sources? Oh, stupid shit like this [http://www.meti.go.jp/press/20110329013/20110329013-2.pdf](http://www.meti.go.jp/press/20110329013/20110329013-2.pdf) or this [http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/EXPORT/projects/fukushima/plots/v8/plot-un2-full.png](http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/EXPORT/projects/fukushima/plots/v8/plot-un2-full.png) you know, boring scientific shit. Slides and videos from boring as hell reports, in Japanese, it’s all quite dreary. But I’m dumber than a rock, so I mostly listen to smart people about this. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/367 "2011-03-30T02:39:01Z")
Oh, and a lot of different media sites, from outside the US. [http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110330a1.html](http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110330a1.html) Ain’t that some shit? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/368 "2011-03-30T02:41:54Z")
[QUOTE=The Second Stone] Karen Silkwood was a member of the general public. Or is it okay to kill someone deliberately if they work for you? Good try on moving the goalposts. [/QUOTE] You are the one moving the goal posts, if you know anything about the story. If anything, she was deliberately murdered…the plutonium poisoning could have been a bullet to the back of the head (and it always seemed pretty suspicious to me on several levels). It wasn’t the cause of her death, in any event…she died under suspicious circumstances in an auto accident. Nice try though. Er, no…not really. It was lame. -XT ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/369 "2011-03-30T02:42:27Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Karen Silkwood was a member of the general public. Or is it okay to kill someone deliberately if they work for you? Good try on moving the goalposts. The information I saw says that there may had been foul play, that is that the makers of the plutonium pellets may had contaminated her, but in the end she died on a car crash, once again under suspicious circumstances; but if we are talking about moving goalposts you are. Silkwood was not working at a commercial US nuclear power plant, it was a plutonium fuels production plant. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/370 "2011-03-30T02:42:36Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Karen Silkwood was a member of the general public. Or is it okay to kill someone deliberately if they work for you? Good try on moving the goalposts. Karen Silkwood, regardless of the merits or lack of merits of her case, was a technician in a nuclear power plant, and thus was not a member of the general public. ---
**Author:** ![matt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@matt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/371 "2011-03-30T02:43:11Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Now before you go all crazy and start trying to say anything about that report, remember, you don’t know shit about what is going on. Well, I know the information that’s been released, same as you. I know a fair bit about the design of the GE Mark 1 thanks to a lot of reading over the past two weeks, presumably same as you. And I can draw conclusions, same as you. So: > [@](#): > > On Tuesday, temperature readings on the surface of the reactor’s outer shell began to surge, prompting officials to pour more water onto it. The bind is that pumping in more water will lead to the seepage of heavily contaminated water, but stopping could cause a core meltdown. Now it appears the core has already melted through the bottom of its containment vessel and on to the concrete floor, while the fuel remains partially exposed in all three stricken reactors. I’d like to find some verification of this. There may have been a Japanese-language press-release that hasn’t filtered through to the western media. Yesterday’s reports of the temperatures at the bottoms of the reactor pressure vessels (RPVs in my cite) were below 200 deg C. [http://www.iaea.org/press/?p=1823](http://www.iaea.org/press/?p=1823) That doens’t square well with the cores having melted through the RPVs onto the containment floor, but of course situations change. Time to watch some Japanese news. Contaminated seawater is a huge issue, but it depends what’s contaminating it and how much. Chlorine 38 is very radioactive but short-lived - 24-half-lives later and it’s 17 million times decreased - 15 hours. Same for iodine 134, but iodine 131 is a 6 month worry and caesium 137 is a decades-scale problem or worse. That said, if you can get it out to sea, the Pacific is a hell of a diluent. On preview: Your second cite (from post 366) shows a core bottom temperature of less that 200 deg C yesterday. That doesn’t square with a meltdown. You might want to demonstrate your ability to extract any information at all from your first cite. Can you read Japanese? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/372 "2011-03-30T02:44:12Z")
[QUOTE=FXMastermind] Oh, and a lot of different media sites, from outside the US. > **[Search results - The Japan Times](https://search.japantimes.co.jp/search?query=cgi-b...0110330a1.html)** > > News on Japan, Business News, Opinion, Sports, Entertainment and More search Ain’t that some shit? [/QUOTE] You should have gone [here](http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html) instead…but then you aren’t very bright, are you? -XT ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/373 "2011-03-30T02:45:56Z")
[http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-30/tokyo-electric-s-damaged-reactors-may-take-30-years-12-billion-to-scrap.html](http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-30/tokyo-electric-s-damaged-reactors-may-take-30-years-12-billion-to-scrap.html) I like the optimistic idea that they can just start dismantling the place. It will only take thirty years, but hey, you have to start sometime. I know how to translate Japanese, using a computer, but I depend on my Japanese friends for the real translation. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/374 "2011-03-30T02:46:21Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Oh, stupid shit like this > [http://www.meti.go.jp/press/20110329013/20110329013-2.pdf](http://www.meti.go.jp/press/20110329013/20110329013-2.pdf) > > or this > [http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/EXPORT/projects/fukushima/plots/v8/plot-un2-full.png](http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/EXPORT/projects/fukushima/plots/v8/plot-un2-full.png) > > you know, boring scientific shit. Slides and videos from boring as hell reports, in Japanese, it’s all quite dreary. But I’m dumber than a rock, so I mostly listen to smart people about this. That’s where you hang out with really smart people and discuss science? I see, I guess, science. There appears to be a lack of discussion. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/375 "2011-03-30T02:47:44Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Oh, and a lot of different media sites, from outside the US. > > [http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110330a1.html](http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110330a1.html) > > Ain’t that some shit? A shit that still says “May” as in it \*may \*be coming from the core, incidentally most have already mentioned that the spent fuel pond is very likely the source of this, not that it would make it better, but you are still just guessing what exits are closed. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/376 "2011-03-30T02:49:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Dose rates at the surface of this water were 0.4 millisieverts/hour for **Unit 1** and **over 1 000 millisieverts/hour** for **Unit 2** as of 18:30 UTC on 26 March. The Nuclear Safety Commission of Japan suggests that higher activity in the water discovered in the **Unit 2** turbine building is supposed to be caused by the water, \*\*which has been in contact with molten fuel rods for a time and directly released into the turbine building \*\*via some, as yet unidentified path. [http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html](http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html) Somebody else should take this one. I don’t want to wear out my batteries. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/377 "2011-03-30T02:50:46Z")
You asked for sources, not where I hang out with smart science people. Of course if you hadn’t discussed me in the third person (and in doing so come across as sort of a dick), I might be more friendly. Haha Just kidding. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/378 "2011-03-30T02:53:18Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > So what are your sources? Give it up **Frank** , I asked before to FX for the “great” and smart places he hangs around, but he showed a long time ago what a chicken he is. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/379 "2011-03-30T02:53:25Z")
The latest data supporting the announcement about radioactivity in the ocean. [http://www.meti.go.jp/press/20110330002/20110330002-4.pdf](http://www.meti.go.jp/press/20110330002/20110330002-4.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/380 "2011-03-30T02:55:02Z")
Hey, I asked where the scientific discussion here was, and got a lot of stupid shit for my troubles. Get off your high horse. No, not you, that asshole over there. You are a fine fellow, but those other guys, they are real dickbags if you ask me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=20)