# Rantings about stupid nuclear reporting, and I want to bitchslap somebody, also other crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077 "2011-03-26T19:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/381 "2011-03-30T02:56:25Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > You asked for sources, not where I hang out with smart science people. Where do you hang out with smart science people? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/382 "2011-03-30T02:58:08Z")
I love this…he posts a bunch of links to PDF’s in Japanese and then smugly sits back with an air of having won…something. Somehow. What a freaking tool… -XT ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/383 "2011-03-30T03:00:27Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The latest data supporting the announcement about radioactivity in the ocean. > > [http://www.meti.go.jp/press/20110330002/20110330002-4.pdf](http://www.meti.go.jp/press/20110330002/20110330002-4.pdf) That’s not what it says. ---
**Author:** ![matt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@matt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/384 "2011-03-30T03:03:40Z")
FWIW, the Brazil site **FX** cited a graph from is pretty good for anyone wanting tech data: [http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/EXPORT/projects/fukushima/plots/v9/Main.html](http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/EXPORT/projects/fukushima/plots/v9/Main.html) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/385 "2011-03-30T03:04:42Z")
Hmm … > [@billfish678](#): > > I know where they are. I am reading the fuckers on a regular basis. Normally, I’d help you out, but your being such a twit I am going to make you work for it a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/386 "2011-03-30T03:12:13Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Since you keep referencing the other thread, and this post has far more to do with that thread than this thread, whatever this thread is supposed to I dunno, I’ll take this one over there if you don’t mind. > [@matt](#): > > On edit: My reply to this was off-topic. Reposted in the GD thread. I have not checked the GD thread but will post my replies there I guess. I will say, in response to **levdrakon’s** update to my cite I am not seeing nuclear being absurdly expensive as he (she?) claimed. Seems pretty competitive. Nothing in what was posted contradicts my original cite that I can see. Coal is the cheapest (shocker) as long as coal does not have CC equipment. **Una Persson** , who is an expert, said CC simply does not work on industrial scale coal plants. Period. (Yes they can clean other crud out which is good but CO2 remains). This of course does not note other issues with fossil fuels. Namely fossil fuel plants are highly affected by fuel prices. Nuclear it barely registers. Natural gas and oil have a price/supply horizon within most our lifetimes. Wind/solar simply cannot meet global demand (certainly not till we can find a way to store power on a massive scale). Nuclear IS very expensive up front. After that they are relatively inexpensive to run…and that is with plants that are now old. New technologies could improve in a number of ways (including ways to have power plants that eat the nuclear waste of today’s plants thus negating the costs associated with what to do with waste fuel). That leaves nuclear and coal as the only game in town. (Again I will note that there is a place for wind/solar/bio energy…I am all for them…I love them and they should be pursued but they cannot come close to meeting global demand). ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/387 "2011-03-30T03:18:59Z")
There is a certain irony in taking an alarmist stupid rant thread and turning it into a serious discussion of economics and politics of the worlds energy production. My hat is off to you fine gentlemen. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/388 "2011-03-30T03:20:51Z")
Meanwhile, back in the real world [http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf18.html](http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf18.html) ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/389 "2011-03-30T03:30:44Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > There is a certain irony in taking an alarmist stupid rant thread and turning it into a serious discussion of economics and politics of the worlds energy production. > > My hat is off to you fine gentlemen. The hell, did you join in 2009 and then just never read anything? This ALWAYS happens. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/390 "2011-03-30T03:36:44Z")
It’s funny you should ask that. When I see a thread that looks interesting I subscribe, and follow along, and the threads always peter out. Seriously. Every single thread that I found interesting went dead. I have a subscription list of topics, and none of them lasted. It’s one reason I never posted. The things I found interesting, they never went anywhere. Hell, you look at my first post and you see the thread dies after I posted. Nobody even responded. But this shit, this is going to go on for years. About 30 of them if you can believe the predictions. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/391 "2011-03-30T03:40:08Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > That’s not what it says. [http://www.meti.go.jp/press/20110330002/20110330002-4.pdf](http://www.meti.go.jp/press/20110330002/20110330002-4.pdf) You have to multiply the cm3 stats to get the liter figures. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/392 "2011-03-30T03:42:22Z")
FWIW, this thread > **[DAMN YOU, Scylla...and your little blimp, too!](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=197687)** > > And now that I think about it, Wang-Ka can go to hell, too. You see, I’m currently at an in-between job as an intern at a law firm before starting a teaching job in August. I’m trying to apply for graduate school, and at this internship job they’ve... was the reason I started reading the forums. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/393 "2011-03-30T04:11:55Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Meanwhile, back in the real world > > [http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf18.html](http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf18.html) Thankyou for this link. It is very instructive. From your link: > [@](#): > > In March 2011 eleven operating nuclear power plants shut down automatically during the major earthquake. Three of these subsequently caused an INES _ **Level 5 Accident** _ due to loss of power leading to loss of cooling. From you, yesterday morning: > [@FXMastermind](#): > > For those living under a rock, > \*\* Fukushima is now a Level 7\*\* Are you willing to retract your lie yet, now that you have provided evidence that directly contradicts it? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/394 "2011-03-30T04:12:57Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > [http://www.meti.go.jp/press/20110330002/20110330002-4.pdf](http://www.meti.go.jp/press/20110330002/20110330002-4.pdf) > > You have to multiply the cm3 stats to get the liter figures. I know how to get liters out of cubic centimeters. I was raised in Australia, where we grow up with metric. Your link still doesn’t say what you claim it says. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/395 "2011-03-30T04:19:34Z")
Man, you really are not down with what this thread is about. You need way more emotion, lots of cursing and at least make an effort to sound like you are pissed off. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/396 "2011-03-30T17:41:33Z")
“It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.” - Sherlock Holmes ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/397 "2011-03-30T17:51:54Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > “It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.” > > - Sherlock Holmes You might try to take advice from that quote. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/398 "2011-03-30T17:56:02Z")
I’ve been bitching about the LACK of data and measurements, while the nuclear moonbats have been trying to convince everyone nuclear power is safe. It’s not a theory if you find out some huge asshole is a liar, and has been withholding information. But this nonsense about how no matter what nuclear is safe, that is ratshit insanity. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/399 "2011-03-30T17:57:13Z")
Because you can’t know that until you have the data from Fukushima, and you can’t have that until the entire thing is over. So to jump to a conclusion that ‘nuclear is safe’, before you even know anything, that is ultra stupid. It’s the opposite of science. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/400 "2011-03-30T18:07:37Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Because you can’t know that until you have the data from Fukushima, and you can’t have that until the entire thing is over. So to jump to a conclusion that ‘nuclear is safe’, before you even know anything, that is ultra stupid. It’s the opposite of science. We do have decades of data from the industry to go on, I’m sure when this incident is wrapped up it can be included. You seem to be hell bent on using up to the minute blog posts to assess the entire industry rather than using the established facts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=21)