# Rantings about stupid nuclear reporting, and I want to bitchslap somebody, also other crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077 "2011-03-26T19:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/561 "2011-04-05T20:02:29Z")
Yeah…it’s not like they have badges that the workers could wear to tell them what doses they are getting, or anything like that. Perhaps they could get a couple of chickens (canaries being scarce in Japan) in cages and just watch them to see what happens? Or, they could get a couple of dowsers with metal rods to check it out. Possibly if they built a giant badger… 😛 -XT ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/562 "2011-04-05T20:07:03Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Oops, that should have been 20 Sv, not 200! > > Damn you mSv/hr and your complicated metrics! If you can’t do order-of-magnitude math, I question your ability to evaluate ANY scientific literature with any effectiveness. (damn it, xstime, now I’m doing it.) Also, regarding burns. Can you cite any story that lists them? Everything I find says “possible” burns, and from beta radiation (which, incidentally, means that they are NOT a result of plutonium, unless you’re asserting a anomalous concentration of Pu-241). ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/563 "2011-04-05T20:09:57Z")
[QUOTE=Zeriel] (damn it, xstime, now I’m doing it.) [/QUOTE] I told you…he’s like a big, bright (visually) shinny lure! And he just dangles there…so tempting…so shinny…wiggling around there…you want to swim closer…closer…closer… ARRRGGGGHHHHHH! Stopstopstopstop! :smack::smack::smack: > [@](#): > > Also, regarding burns. Can you cite any story that lists them? Everything I find says “possible” burns, and from beta radiation (which, incidentally, means that they are NOT a result of plutonium, unless you’re asserting a anomalous concentration of Pu-241). AFAIK, those workers? They were released from the hospital and are back to work (though probably not in the plant, as they would have maxed their yearly dosage if they stepped in 1000 mSv/hour water). They aren’t dead parrots though, or even suffering from radiation sickness from anything I’ve rad (heh!)…which sort of undermines FXM’s point, whatever it was supposed to be. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/564 "2011-04-05T20:10:26Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The question of what the radioactive water can do to human beings, and how long it takes, is probably a question the workers are very interested in at the moment. > > That beta isn’t going to measure correctly, with out sticking something into the water, makes that monitoring job a real bitch. Actually, if you’re assuming an even distribution of radioactive elements in the water, then a surface Geiger counter measurement should be equivalent to the dose received by anything immersed on a per-square-cm basis. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/565 "2011-04-05T20:15:08Z")
Uh, no. Are you supposed to be the smart one? ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/566 "2011-04-05T21:27:01Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Actually, if you’re assuming an even distribution of radioactive elements in the water, then a surface Geiger counter measurement should be equivalent to the dose received by anything immersed on a per-square-cm basis. Aw fuck it. Screw the geiger counter, let him use his head. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/567 "2011-04-05T21:31:46Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Uh, no. > > Are you supposed to be the smart one? Well, explain why that’s all wrong oh great one… ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/568 "2011-04-05T21:38:51Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Frankly, **xtisme** , you are starting to look dumber just because you elect to keep participating in this trainwreck of a thread. 😛 > > Come out with the sane ones and stop beating your head against the collective concrete wall represented by gonzo and FX. He looks dumb because he is consistently wrong. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2011, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/569 "2011-04-05T23:38:59Z")
You are projecting again, gonzo… -XT ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2011, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/570 "2011-04-06T00:06:52Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > One of the odd things in all this, is how the defenders of the one true nuclear faith, or the nuclear deniers as I like to label them, for no other reason that is annoying and petty, is how they still seem to think of this as just a minor issue. > > “There have been 600 reactors built and run worldwide and only three times has there been a problem!!” > > Really? TMI is the first, Chernobyl the second, and ?? > > “You see? This is just the third time, out of six hundred reactors!” > > Really? Because I see four destroyed reactors, and two more damaged, and four more down the coast still out of action, which makes it 10 reactors at once. Which would be twelve times it’s happened. > > “No you fucking idiot! It all counts as one because it was the earthquake that caused it!” > > Ah, so you see ten reactors in trouble as just one reactor. And four exploded all to shit reactor buildings and leaking fuel and fires and radiation levels so high nobody can get near the place as just one reactor problem? > > “And nobody has died!!” > > Hmm … the problem is becoming clear now. [http://www.euronuclear.org/info/encyclopedia/n/nuclear-power-plant-world-wide.htm](http://www.euronuclear.org/info/encyclopedia/n/nuclear-power-plant-world-wide.htm) Actually 442 built. Here’s the list because I know XT would quibble. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2011, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/571 "2011-04-06T00:10:13Z")
Actually, gonzo, that’s a very useful cite. I thank you for posting it. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2011, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/572 "2011-04-06T00:13:35Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [http://www.euronuclear.org/info/encyclopedia/n/nuclear-power-plant-world-wide.htm](http://www.euronuclear.org/info/encyclopedia/n/nuclear-power-plant-world-wide.htm) Actually 442 built. Here’s the list because I know XT would quibble. If you find a version of that chart that lists reactor design generation rather than age, you’ll become my personal hero. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2011, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/573 "2011-04-06T03:21:54Z")
There are 442 nuclear reactors at power stations. That certainly isn’t the number or reactors. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/574 "2011-04-07T16:49:01Z")
[![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PhS3POUalNI/hqdefault.jpg "Inside Fukushima Evacuation Zone 1") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhS3POUalNI) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/575 "2011-04-10T16:58:51Z")
> [@](#): > > TOKYO, April 10, 2011 (AFP) - A worker battling to cool overheating reactors at Japan’s tsunami-hit nuclear plant was taken to hospital on Sunday after complaining of feeling sick, the plant’s operator said. > > The man had no apparent injuries and\*\* it was not clear what had caused the sudden illness\*\*, said a spokesman for Tokyo Electric Power (TEPCO), which runs the stricken Fukushima No. 1 plant. It’s a fucking mystery is what it is. The Fukushima 50, working in deadly amounts of radiation, to save the country, heroes bravely going in where they know it’s dangerous, because somebody has to do it. Radiation levels so high they can’t even be measured, entire buildings that nobody can even go into, the radiation is so high it would mean death. But it’s a goddamn mystery when one of the workers gets sick. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/576 "2011-04-10T17:58:11Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Radiation levels so high they can’t even be measured, Lies. > [@](#): > > entire buildings that nobody can even go into, Lies. > [@](#): > > the radiation is so high it would mean death. Lies. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/577 "2011-04-10T18:09:08Z")
Poor nuclear deniers, they so want this to be something it can’t ever be. Their love of nuclear reactors blinds them to reality, condemning them to a fate worse than death, that of being a true believer. > [@](#): > > The radiation level inside the plant has risen beyond the limit where it can be measured, NHK local television reported, quoting a plant’s monitoring specialist. He said the radiation is exceeding the 100 millisievert level in some places outside the plant, while inside the buildings the monitoring systems fail to show any accurate numbers. Of course if anyone could go inside the buildings, we would at least know the situation of the reactors. But nobody has been able to enter any of the buildings, which is why nobody can say what is happening. Except by analysis of the material exiting the buildings. Which clearly shows meltdowns of fuel in the reactors, as well as in fuel ponds. But you don’t even need that to know that fuel melted. The hydrogen which is believed to have caused the explosions came from super hot zirconium cladding, so there really is no doubt that fuel rods melted in multiple locations, including the fuel pond in building four. The nuclear denier is faced with a terrible situation. > [@](#): > > The monitor told NHK that no one can enter the plant’s No. 1 through 3 reactor buildings because radiation levels are so high that monitoring devices have been rendered useless. On the one hand the denier wants to say “nobody knows for sure”, but that is because nobody can get anywhere close to the radioactive fuel or reactors, because of all the leaked radioactive material, preventing anyone from approaching. How a true believer can maintain their faith in light of the evidence, it is beyond me. But please don’t stop, it’s much more entertaining than the latest round of bad news from Japan. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/578 "2011-04-10T18:14:44Z")
The good news, > [@](#): > > The subcontractor was taken to a hospital, where he was diagnosed with exhaustion, Tokyo Electric said. [http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/10/japan.nuclear.reactors/](http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/10/japan.nuclear.reactors/) Can’t wait for those promised infra red high res images they keep promising. (they have been taking high res images, including infra red since day one) Maybe someday they will invent a camera they can mount on a pole or something, so people not actually right there at the plant can monitor the situation. It’s really amazing that a nuclear plant with six reactors didn’t have a single security camera. (why there are no videos of the tsunami, the explosions, anything really) ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/579 "2011-04-11T01:23:36Z")
So, your sarcastic reply earlier was wrong, and you just want to change the subject and get back to the supposed images that they have promised you but haven’t delivered yet? 😛 I just wanted to point that out, not that anyone is really paying attention to you or this thread anymore. Have you noticed that the ‘nuclear disaster’ isn’t on the front pages anymore? You actually have to dig down pretty far on the BBC or CNN website to find any news about what’s going on. Do you wonder why? -XT ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/580 "2011-04-11T01:40:40Z")
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