# Rantings about stupid nuclear reporting, and I want to bitchslap somebody, also other crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077 "2011-03-26T19:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/41 "2011-03-27T16:47:03Z")
That’s because all the threads I see are nonsense threads. Is there a serious real discussion of physics here? Where people are sharing data and information? Because I’m part of one of those elsewhere, and it is just huge. Nobody is allowed to go off on stupid tangents or promote their agendas. Is there one of those kind of discussions here? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/42 "2011-03-27T16:48:05Z")
We discuss things like [http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11032603-e.html](http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11032603-e.html) in great detail. But you have to be smart to even understand most of it. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/43 "2011-03-27T16:56:02Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > All you’ve done so far in all of these threads is tell us that you know what you’re talking about. You’ve not yet provided any actual evidence that you know what you’re talking about. No kidding. I think we have a case of instant Wikipedia expertise here. Not that he is the only wanker here on this topic doing that. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/44 "2011-03-27T17:00:56Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > That’s because all the threads I see are nonsense threads. Is there a serious real discussion of physics here? Where people are sharing data and information? Because I’m part of one of those elsewhere, and it is just huge. Nobody is allowed to go off on stupid tangents or promote their agendas. > > Is there one of those kind of discussions here? I’ll say something like what i said in the other thread: Well, some of us have been trying, in the other thread, to offer serious arguments about a variety of issues, including the problems of renewable energy, the safety (or otherwise) of nuclear power, and a variety of other issues related to nuclear energy and to the situation in Japan. It’s you and your Trolly McTrollerson comrade **The Second Stone** who have been ignoring serious attempts at discussion and ranting like radiation-damaged hyenas. You then also went and started this thread to rant like a fucking moron about…well, it’s not quite clear about what. If you want a serious discussion of the issue, why don’t you actually set an example and start participating seriously in the ones that are already going. Or go start your own thread in GD or GQ. People will then be required to follow the rules of those forums and participate in a civil fashion, and you can show us the calm erudition and analytic rigor that you keep claiming to have, but that you have so far successfully hidden from everyone. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/45 "2011-03-27T17:05:04Z")
So, there isn’t a single rational discussion anywhere on the forum? That’s kind of hard to believe. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/46 "2011-03-27T17:09:55Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > It’s you and your Trolly McTrollerson comrade **The Second Stone** who have been ignoring serious attempts at discussion and ranting like radiation-damaged hyenas. So you admit that radiation causes damage then??!!!?!!!111??one ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/47 "2011-03-27T17:12:31Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > So, there isn’t a single rational discussion anywhere on the forum? That’s kind of hard to believe. Actually, it’s that you are irrational and bombastic, so you don’t recognize a reasoned discussion when you rant your way through it. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/48 "2011-03-27T17:15:01Z")
There are a multitude of rational scientific discussions of nuclear physics, what the scant information might mean, what can be done, what might happen. Populated by people who enjoy science and rational thought. To rant and spew in one of those would be wrong. To try and introduce facts here would also be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/49 "2011-03-27T17:17:57Z")
Of course I could be wrong about that. Currently, the breakdown of the isotopes in sea water and leaking reactor water points to criticality inside the reactor(s), not fuel rods leaking. The nuetron beams measured also point to this, but nobody is sure what has happened, nor how that can be the case, but all evidence points to extreme damage inside at least two reactors, probably all three. This is of course, just what the evidence shows. Nobody can get anywhere near the reactors to actually find out. Which in itself is a serious fucking problem. The boron levels, the measurements of many things, TEPCO is flat out refusing to share or publish the information. They are complete assholes. Fuckers. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/50 "2011-03-27T17:18:13Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > So, there isn’t a single rational discussion anywhere on the forum? That’s kind of hard to believe. Sadly, rational goes right out the window as soon as you participate. Slee ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/51 "2011-03-27T17:20:04Z")
I have no problem keeping ranting in one topic, and science and reason in another. How about you? ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/52 "2011-03-27T17:29:04Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Sadly, rational goes right out the window as soon as you participate. > > Slee Not to mention that this is the BBQ Pit, and that plus his irrational, ranting OP are not exactly conducive to a thoughtful discussion on any topic. @FXMastermind: Great Debates is the place you want to be, son. Get the hence, craft a thoughtfully researched, decently cited OP, and let’s see where it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/53 "2011-03-27T17:32:36Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I should probably sit down and compose an easy to understand guide to nuclear material, radioactive poisoning, fall out, what all that complicated shit means, that they use and they say in the reporting, and why 90% of it is bullshit. As someone who has written nuclear station operating manuals, including a station reference plan for the writing of such manuals, and as someone who has been an intervenor at my province’s class environmental assessment on supply/demand, I have to say that you could no more write a guide on such nuclear issues than you could fly to the moon by flapping your jaw. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/54 "2011-03-27T17:35:55Z")
So the levels of something-or-other are 1000 times higher than normal, someplace-or-other… Yeah, that _sounds_ bad, but by itself it means very little unless it can be put in terms of human deaths/injuries, loss of wildlife, loss of productive farmland, etc. Heck, I can look at my palm and analyze the “normal” amount of copper that should be on my skin. Then I put a penny in my hand and OMG!!!1111ELEVENTY!!! _my topical copper levels have jumped to one trillion times normal!!!_ ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/55 "2011-03-27T17:37:24Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > To try and introduce facts here would also be wrong. Wrong. There is nothing wrong with introducing facts in the Pit. Here let’s try it. Let’s introduce a fact. Fact, meet FX. FX, meet fact. There, see, its not going to bite you, FX, so you can stop your hysteria. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/56 "2011-03-27T17:38:11Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > As someone who has written nuclear station operating manuals, including a station reference plan for the writing of such manuals, and as someone who has been an intervenor at my province’s class environmental assessment on supply/demand, I have to say that you could no more write a guide on such nuclear issues than you could fly to the moon by flapping your jaw. I dunno – he does flap that jaw fast and hard. It might be possible. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/57 "2011-03-27T17:41:10Z")
If any guide to understanding nuclear radiation, and how the different levels effect human beings, food, water, all the information that billions of people want to read right now, if any such document exists, it’s not on the internet. If it existed, it would be linked to. Copied. It would appear almost everywhere right now. That there is no such document, that says a lot. Now, here’s where you get to use facts to make me look bad. Show us the guide. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/58 "2011-03-27T17:44:04Z")
Hell, just show us the guide to converting all the different measurements. Like, how you get the figure for naturally occurring potassium in food to the yearly dose. Or how the figures for yearly cosmic ray exposure translates to exposure from airborne Cesium, or what level of radioactive iodine in drinking water compares to the natural radiation from eating bananas. That kind of fact based science. People are interested. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/59 "2011-03-27T17:44:38Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > If any guide to understanding nuclear radiation, and how the different levels effect human beings, food, water, all the information that billions of people want to read right now, if any such document exists, it’s not on the internet. > > If it existed, it would be linked to. Copied. It would appear almost everywhere right now. That there is no such document, that says a lot. > > Now, here’s where you get to use facts to make me look bad. Show us the guide. **Muffin** didn’t say that there was such a guide; he said that you were incapable of writing one. Sheesh. This is why we can never have nice things around here. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2011, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/60 "2011-03-27T17:47:24Z")
FX, Google is your friend. When you get back to class on Monday, you should speak with your science teacher about setting up a discussion group. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=4)