# Rantings about stupid nuclear reporting, and I want to bitchslap somebody, also other crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077 "2011-03-26T19:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/621 "2011-04-13T03:06:41Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > If the trolls would engage in any scientific discussion, well, you wouldn’t be a troll then, would you? > > I guess this place encourages mindless insults rather than conversation. Pity. Nope. Everyone simply has given up on you. You’ve never shown the least interest in a conversation. All you want to do is pontificate. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/622 "2011-04-13T03:07:43Z")
> [@](#): > > **CONFUSING RANKINGS** > There can be confusion as to the actual severity of an accident because there is no one authority to rank the event. Depending on the nation concerned, the job is left up to the company that owns the plant, the government agency that regulates the plant or a scientific body. [http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/12/us-nuclear-japan-idUSTRE73B7UC20110412](http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/12/us-nuclear-japan-idUSTRE73B7UC20110412) No fucking kidding. Of course in this case, it’s not really that hard to see how bad the destruction has been so far. Even with the absence of any official report, or video, it’s pretty fucking obvious that reactor building 4, which had no fuel in the reactor, still blew the fuck up. How could that happen? It’s obvious. The fuel pond leaked, the rods burned and melted, hydrogen was created, and it blew up. No need to lose containment there, it was the fuel, outside of any containment, that burned, and blew the fucking place apart. Yet the true believer still wants the world to think it’s not that bad. And that isn’t even the worst problem there. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/623 "2011-04-13T03:09:44Z")
It’s also funny, that even with the video and still images, of buildings just blown to shit, leaking smoke and steam, that the true believer will say, “Where’s the evidence?”. Like they can’t be bothered to watch actual images of the place. They demand a ‘cite’, like some religious fruitbag desperate for an argument. It’s pretty pathetic at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/624 "2011-04-13T03:12:20Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > It’s also funny, that even with the video and still images, of buildings just blown to shit, leaking smoke and steam, that the true believer will say, “Where’s the evidence?”. > > Like they can’t be bothered to watch actual images of the place. They demand a ‘cite’, like some religious fruitbag desperate for an argument. > > It’s pretty pathetic at this point. What’s pathetic is your obsessive torturing of your own little straw men. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/625 "2011-04-13T03:14:26Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > I insult the likes of you because it’s fun…and I have zero hope to ‘win’ this debate. We know. You are a troll dude. That’s what trolls do. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/626 "2011-04-13T03:42:52Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > If the trolls would engage in any scientific discussion, well, you wouldn’t be a troll then, would you? > > I guess this place encourages mindless insults rather than conversation. Pity. What about lies? Are they OK? Or just when it’s you doing it? And how do your lies contribute to the scientific discussion that you allegedly want to have? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/627 "2011-04-13T03:46:27Z")
[QUOTE=FXMastermind] We know. You are a troll dude. That’s what trolls do. [/QUOTE] Who is ‘we’, kimosabe? 😛 As for calling me (or anyone else) a troll…well, luckily I have a Straight Dope 10000 Industrial Strength Irony Meter, so I’m safe… _BOOOOOMMM!!_ … …damn… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/628 "2011-04-13T04:00:07Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > How could that happen? It’s obvious. The fuel pond leaked, the rods burned and melted, hydrogen was created, and it blew up. No need to lose containment there, it was the fuel, outside of any containment, that burned, and blew the fucking place apart. You are insane. The hydrogen explosions are an artifact of the fact that the plant design specifies the injection of hydrogen into the hot loop coolant in prescribed amounts to take up the free radical oxygen created by neutron interactions. “Hydrogen was created”. No, you dumbass, it was stored on site as part of the mechanisms. We’ve known this since literally day one. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/629 "2011-04-13T04:40:57Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > A curious bit of info in the status report. > [Status report: Reactor-by-reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi plant - CNN.com](http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/02/japan.nuclear.status/) > > What the fuck? Reactors 5 and 6 are supposedly the only two undamaged buildings, aside from the holes that were made in them by work crews. Yet they can’t get inside them either? I suspect the early reports of fuel rod damage and reactor problems after the power went down, means they are also fucked. > > They just don’t want to say that. > > I mean, why bust giant ass holes in your containment building to vent hydrogen gas? Oh yeah, because there are melted fuel rods there as well, and it produced hydrogen gas. I noticed nobody countered that post. You can’t deny they busted holes in the two reactor buildings that didn’t have active reactors. Hydrogen gas doesn’t build up from fuel ponds that are too hot, you just get boiling water. It’s why I coined the term ‘nuclear denier’. The true believer just can’t admit that nuclear reactors, and the huge amounts of spent fuel rods, are fucking DANGEROUS. While a normal human being is concerned over what might happen to the country of Japan, the terror and uncertainty that millions of people have, the grace situation that actually exists, the nuclear denier is scared that something might effect other nuclear reactors. Which is just ratshit crazy of course. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/630 "2011-04-13T04:43:59Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > … the plant design specifies the injection of hydrogen into the hot loop coolant in prescribed amounts to take up the free radical oxygen created by neutron interactions. That level of denial is surprising. Now spent fuel ponds have “neutron interactions” and have to have hydrogen injected into the water. Tell us more oh nuclear expert. This is brand new information. And please support your fantasy scenario with some scientific sources. This should be good. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/631 "2011-04-13T04:56:44Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Which is just ratshit crazy of course. But not nearly as crazy as arguing with yourself. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/632 "2011-04-13T05:01:32Z")
This one should be easy. Since “We’ve known this since literally day one”, it will be childs play to link to a source that says that. > [@Zeriel](#): > > The hydrogen explosions are an artifact of the fact that the plant design specifies the injection of hydrogen into the hot loop coolant in prescribed amounts to take up the free radical oxygen created by neutron interactions. > > “Hydrogen was created”. No, you dumbass, it was stored on site as part of the mechanisms. We’ve known this since literally day one. Same for “the plant design specifies the injection of hydrogen into the hot loop coolant in prescribed amounts”. Both those claims should be easy as pie to show the class. And think how stupid it will make me look! A win win. Anyone want to bet there will never ever be any source quoted, or linked to, or anything really, to back that wild ass claim up? Anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/633 "2011-04-13T13:19:10Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > This one should be easy. Since “We’ve known this since literally day one”, it will be childs play to link to a source that says that. > > Same for “the plant design specifies the injection of hydrogen into the hot loop coolant in prescribed amounts”. Both those claims should be easy as pie to show the class. > > And think how stupid it will make me look! A win win. > > Anyone want to bet there will never ever be any source quoted, or linked to, or anything really, to back that wild ass claim up? > > Anyone? Naw, I’m not backing anything up to you, the evidence shows it’s like talking to a brick wall. However, for the intelligent people reading this, I’ll admit I was very slightly misinformed, in that it’s not hydrogen injection (as I had originally understood it) but simple recombination of existing hydrogen and oxygen in the coolant loop, because the BWR design includes provision for that as a method of dealing with the corrosive peroxides and ozones and free radicals that result from high heat + neutron reactions in water. Regardless, the fact that there’s hydrogen buildup sufficient for an explosion is no indication one way or another of the status of the core. Enjoy a google books cite: [Radiochemistry and Nuclear Chemistry - Gregory Choppin, Jan-Olov Liljenzin, Jan Rydberg - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=0Pr7aMRxLZ8C&pg=PA575&dq=bwr+hydrogen+recombiner&hl=en&ei=NKKlTdDIG8Oitgeutqi-Ag&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=bwr%20hydrogen%20recombiner&f=false) Water reactors have hydrogen recombiners in the normal coolant loop for a reason–because the water in the hot loop does decompose into hydrogen and oxygen under the conditions in the coolant loop. It has nothing at all to do with the spent fuel ponds. What I am told by my nuclear engineer buddy is that the venting was necessary because normally the excess hydrogen/oxygen from the coolant processing loop is vented by a system that requires power (as the entire cooling system does) and it built up enough during the outage and crisis situation that venting it fast was deemed better than venting it via the normal methods. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/634 "2011-04-13T13:48:59Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > This one should be easy. Since “We’ve known this since literally day one”, it will be childs play to link to a source that says that. Why is it that evidence and truth matter to you when someone else makes a claim, but you’re willing to lie and obfuscate and then wave calls for proof away by saying that it’s only a message board? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/635 "2011-04-13T21:47:25Z")
The fallacy of the leading question. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/636 "2011-04-13T22:17:44Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Naw, I’m not backing anything up to you, the evidence shows it’s like talking to a brick wall. Nice dodge. Of course you can’t back up anything you claimed, because it is nonsense. Much like most of the wild claims and hysterical nonsense being spewed forth by the defenders of the true nuclear faith. I mentioned elsewhere I wasn’t serious, because indeed to take you seriously would be madness. The constant stream of vile personal asides don’t take the place of a scientific discourse, no matter what your troll buddies say. Just because you say it, that doesn’t mean anything. Unlike official reports and findings from scientific persons, and official reports and shit like that. [http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/13\_05.html](http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/13_05.html) The problem is, for the nuclear denier, that the news and facts just keep pounding your dead nuclear god deeper into the grave. No amount of insults and absurd illogical arguments from you will change that. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/637 "2011-04-13T22:25:05Z")
Meanwhile, back in the real world. They are using remote controlled equipment to move radioactive material. > **[IT news, careers, business technology, reviews](https://www.computerworld.com/au/)** > > Computerworld covers a range of technology topics, with a focus on these core areas of IT: Windows, Mobile, Apple/enterprise, Office and productivity suites, collaboration, web browsers and blockchain, as well as relevant information about companies... ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/638 "2011-04-13T22:25:52Z")
And let’s see the latest in FXM’s masterclass in “Posting links he can’t be fucked to read and pretend they somehow support him” Ah yes > [@FXMastermind](#): > > [http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/13\_05.html](http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/13_05.html) “the amount found is extremely low and will not have a negative health impact even if a person ingested one kilogram of the contaminated soil.” Cheers for that. Truly it is the end of days, for anyone with an awesomely soil rich diet. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/639 "2011-04-13T22:29:16Z")
> [@](#): > > **TEPCO confirms damage to part of No. 4 unit’s spent nuke fuel** > > TOKYO, April 13, Kyodo > Some of the spent nuclear fuel rods stored in the No. 4 reactor building of the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi power plant were confirmed to be damaged, but most of them are believed to be in sound condition, plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday. > > The firm known as TEPCO said its analysis of a 400-milliliter water sample taken Tuesday from the No. 4 unit’s spent nuclear fuel pool revealed the damage to some fuel rods in such a pool for the first time, as it detected higher-than-usual levels of radioactive iodine-131, cesium-134 and cesium-137. > **[Login - Kyodo News](https://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/85259.html)** While the true denier will somehow try to spin that to mean, I don’t know, whatever they are trying to sell, nuclear physics dudes know just what those levels mean. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/640 "2011-04-13T22:31:11Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Meanwhile, back in the real world. They are using remote controlled equipment to move radioactive material. > > [Making technology work for business – United Kingdom – Computerworld](http://www.techworld.com.au/article/383039/fukushima_daiichi_workers_clear_debris_by_remote_control/) Shocking news indeed, and further proof of just how out of control the situation there is. Just think - robot trucks, exposed to radiation…it’s only a matter of time before they mutate into Decepticons. Truly we’re just fucked beyond all possible measure of fuckdom. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=33)