# Rantings about stupid nuclear reporting, and I want to bitchslap somebody, also other crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077 "2011-03-26T19:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/741 "2011-06-18T17:29:22Z")
I’m seriously hoping a month from now you will still not know a damn thing about it. Much like the Fuksuhima crisis, I’m always hoping for a good end to bad shit. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/742 "2011-06-18T20:59:13Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I’m seriously hoping a month from now you will still not know a damn thing about it. Much like the Fuksuhima crisis, I’m always hoping for a good end to bad shit. I know exactly what you’re talking about. You’re still an alarmist. You still get your kicks from knocking over the little straw men you set up and argue with. And you get off on it all. You don’t want a good end; you want to gloat. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/743 "2011-06-18T21:02:34Z")
For the record, I assume you’re talking about the [Fort Calhoun reactor](http://www.omaha.com/article/20110617/NEWS01/706179913/0) in Nebraska. If I’m wrong, I couldn’t care less. I’m not interested in trying to read your mind, filled with hysterics about impending nuclear disasters as it is. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/744 "2011-06-18T21:55:02Z")
What you won’t see in that, or any other media story, is the Oahe Dam. It’s the fourth largest reservoir in the US, and that’s why they are flooding Nebraska, to keep that dam from failing. If the media was about sensationalism, panic, scaremongering to get viewers, claims pro-nuclear forces constantly make (with no evidence of course), there would b front page stories, interviews with experts, a whole controversy and panic being generated by the situation in Nebraska. I’ve been aware of this story for 12 days, but I’m not beating the drum, or trying to alert the media. I’m not even surprised that despite the international stories, concerning the nuclear plants, you won’t hear a peep out of any of the supposedly fear mongering media outlets in the US. Just the mention of how they may have to indeed destroy two nuclear power stations to save a dam, that is enough to send chills up and down the national spine. I actually agree with the decisions not to promote the story. But at some point, when it is known for a fact that the plants are going under, (which will only happen if there is a lot or rain), when do you start telling the people the truth? So they have time to take action? How much information do you withhold from the public? If nothing happens, you have caused a panic. If you don’t say anything, you leave people with little time, and a huge resentment after the fact. Here is the essential story, you will not find (yet) anywhere online or in the press. (OK maybe some conspiracy sites, but I don’t read them) If the snow melt in Montana is combined with a lot of rain, the two reactors will be destroyed. The power plants will fail, and it will be the worst disaster in history. This is pure physics. They have to release the water, or the dam fails, which means the same result, but with far worse flooding. And there is, at this point, not a thing anyone on the planet can do about it. The fuel can not be removed from the plant. The plants can not be moved. The defenses at this point can not be reinforced. And there is nowhere for the water to go. So that is the alarmist story. Obviously nobody wants to promote that scenario, much less talk about it. It means, in essence, that at this moment in time, the amount of rain in the next 6 weeks will determine the fate of both the nuclear plants, as well as a lot of people downstream from them. There isn’t any way to change this story. If it rains, the plants are doomed. If it doesn’t, we will forget about all this in a few months. This is all laws of physics stuff. The level of the water is the only factor that will determine the future. No amount of money, machinery or manpower can save the reactors if the rains come hard. And I full support the media NOT running that story. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/745 "2011-06-18T23:15:05Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > If it rains, the plants are doomed. If it doesn’t, we will forget about all this in a few months. That’s a lie. My source states they are already underwater > [@Nuclear meltdown! Holy Godzilla NOOOO!!!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1808): > > Yeah, and now two Nebraska nuclear plants are under water. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/746 "2011-06-18T23:53:13Z")
No, they are still protected from the reactor itself flooding. Complete failure is still 2.6 feet away. Only if there is a lot of rain will they go under. Well, some other fuck up might happen, but that isn’t certain. It is certain if it rains a lot, they are doomed. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/747 "2011-06-19T00:45:54Z")
So you lied then but not now? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/748 "2011-06-19T01:01:02Z")
Go away troll. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/749 "2011-06-21T00:36:37Z")
More reality from Japan. > [@](#): > > **Radioactive material detected in Iwate pastures** > > The Iwate Prefectural Government has again detected a radioactive substance above the state limit in pasture grass in several areas in the prefecture. The prefecture asked farmers in the areas to refrain from feeding the grass to their livestock. > > The prefectural government found on Tuesday radioactive cesium exceeding the limit of 300 becquerels per kilogram in grass collected from pastures in four areas, including Tono and Otsuchi. The areas are located about 150 to 200 kilometers north of the Fukushima nuclear power plant. [http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/16\_17.html](http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/16_17.html) Now the nuclear shithead will try and tell you it means little, and that safety standards are set low, or something, anything to avoid reality. Meanwhile, scientists know exactly what happens to cesium in cows, and why the milk can’t be used. The true nuclear shithead will tell you it’s nothing, but in the real world, people are concerned about radioactive material going into their kids bodies. Remember, this was 200km from the disaster site. North of it. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2011, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/750 "2011-06-21T00:49:12Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Go away troll. Excellent, evidence emerges that you can’t be trusted and you can only respond with that. Keep fighting the truth, Urban VIII would be pleased. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/751 "2011-06-27T16:03:57Z")
> [@](#): > > An 8-foot-tall, water-filled temporary berm protecting the plant collapsed early Sunday. Vendor workers were at the plant Monday to determine whether the 2,000 foot berm can be repaired. > > Omaha Public Power District spokesman Jeff Hanson said pumps were handling the problem at the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Station and that “everything is secure and safe.” The plant, about 20 miles north of Omaha, has been closed for refueling since April. Hanson said the berm’s collapse didn’t affect the shutdown or the spent fuel pool cooling. > … > > Hanson said OPPD fired up generators and cut the power supply after water surrounded the main electrical transformers on Sunday. The generators powered the plant until an off-site power supply was connected later in the day. > > Officials said the berm wasn’t critical to protecting the plant, which sits across the river from Iowa. > > “There are other structures and systems in place that can ensure they will continue operating safely,” Jaczko said Sunday. > > The river was not expected to rise higher than the level the plant is designed to handle. [http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/floodwater-seeps-into-nebraska-989446.html](http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/floodwater-seeps-into-nebraska-989446.html) Don’t worry, they said “everything is secure and safe.” When you hear that it means nothing is wrong. Also, when they say “The river was not expected to rise higher than the level the plant is designed to handle.” that means nothing bad can happen, because they don’t expect it. That’s how Fukushima was kept safe you know. They didn’t expect to get anything the plant couldn’t handle. So just relax. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/752 "2011-06-27T16:27:27Z")
[CNN](http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/27/nebraska.flooding/index.html?hpt=us_c2) article on the same subject: > [@](#): > > (CNN) – The chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission is expected Monday to visit a Nebraska power plant surrounded by Missouri River floodwater. > [@](#): > > The Fort Calhoun plant, which has been shut down since April for refueling, has as much as two feet of water in places. > [@](#): > > Although an inflatable water-filled structure called an aqua berm surrounding the plant was punctured by machinery early Sunday morning, key areas of the facility are not in danger of being flooded, the NRC and the owner of the Fort Calhoun plant said. > > “The plant is still protected. This was an additional, a secondary, level of protection that we had put up,” said Mike Jones, a spokesman for the Omaha Public Power District. “The plant remains protected to the level it would have been if the aqua berm had not been added.” > [@](#): > > Plant workers briefly switched to diesel backup generators to keep nuclear fuel at the site cool because water had gotten too close to electrical transformers, Jeff Hanson, a spokesman for the utility, said Monday. The plant was again drawing power from the electrical grid, he said. > [@](#): > > In addition to the berm, authorities have put in place floodgates, sandbags and other barriers to help protect the facility. As precautions, workers have been given satellite phones and extra food is stockpiled at the plant according to the NRC. > > Plant managers also have brought in additional diesel fuel should the site lose electricity, according to the NRC. > [@](#): > > With or without the berm, the chances of floodwater getting into the building where the core is kept are almost zero, said Dave Van Der Kamp, with the Nebraska Public Power District. > [@](#): > > The plant is designed to withstand water up to 1,014 feet above mean sea level, according to the Omaha Public Power District. The river currently stands at 1,006.3 feet and is not expected to exceed 1,008 feet, the OPPD said. > > “We built the plant up high enough based on history, based on the flooding in the past. If the flood would rise for some reason above that level we have taken precautions, again, per our procedures to sandbag the important equipment for the reactors,” Van Der Kamp said. I know you are avidly watching for the imminent collapse of those upstream dams, but you have as yet provided any evidence that they are in fact in danger of said collapse. Unless they DO collapse it doesn’t look to me like there is much danger of a Fukushima type disaster happening here…or any other kind of NUCLEAR disaster. The disaster from the flood, however, is quite extensive with many people forced to flee the area due to the highly toxic combination of the elements hydrogen and oxygen. -XT ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/753 "2011-06-27T16:53:07Z")
> **[ML111370123.pdf](https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML1113/ML111370123.pdf)** > > 135.54 KB The Nuclear Regulatory Commission indicated that the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Generating Station, “did not have adequate procedures to protect the intake structure and auxiliary building against external flooding events.” In simple terms, a large flood would have made it impossible to maintain cooling. The assessment also indicated that the facility was not adequately prepared for a “worst-case” flooding scenario. A number of potential flood water penetration points were discovered that could have impacted the raw feed water supply to the cooling system, the axilliary water supply and main switchgear (electrical) room. They also pointed out the extreme fire risk, where a fire in a critical area could prevent cooling operations, even the emergency ones. I sincerely hope the eventual story on this will be the upgrades they made worked, nothing happens, and it will pointed out that the system worked, and severe shortcomings were dealt with, avoiding a meltdown and disaster that polluted the entire waterway. That’s another story the media ignores. Stupid media. But, this situation certainly makes it clear that not a single major media outlet in the US is alarmists. A spurious claim nuclear moonbats like to trot out when something bad is actually happening. Like early on with Fukushima. They were actually underplaying the dangers and risks we now know. Then, when the true horror became evident, they dropped the entire story. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/754 "2011-06-28T13:39:15Z")
Just to recap: 1. In February 2011, the regulatory inspectors checked the site. They found issues they were unhappy with, and requested changes 2. The site made those changes. 3. In June 2011, the area experiences flooding that is “unprecedented in duration” and “unprecedented in volume,” and “unprecedented in modern recorded history.”\* 4. And nothing happens. To quote someone who anyone other than you would likely view as an impartial: “Bottom line: The floods appear more annoying than destroying for Nebraska’s nuclear plants,” says nuclear engineer David Lochbaum of the Union of Concerned Scientists, a nuclear industry critic. “If the NRC had not found the flooding protection shortcomings (at Fort Calhoun) last year and compelled the owner to fix them, chances increase considerably that the floodwater would have gotten into places that disabled equipment.” Tell me something. Are you providing this incident as an example of the regulatory system doing its job, or of plant operators complying with audit findings, or what? - Congressman King’s speech here: [Congressman Steve King Special Order - Missouri River Flood - YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aexiZAPvkn4) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/755 "2011-06-28T14:17:06Z")
The plant operators did eventually agree to do the repairs that were reported as critical. They certainly didn’t do them as soon as they were told of them. The larger issue of simply being physically unable to move the spent fuel rods, if faced with a certain catastrophic failure, that issue was never in any report. NRC or media. It still stands as the fatal flaw in storing dangerous nuclear material, in vast amounts, right next to a working reactor. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/756 "2011-06-28T16:24:26Z")
[QUOTE=FXMastermind] The plant operators did eventually agree to do the repairs that were reported as critical. They certainly didn’t do them as soon as they were told of them. [/QUOTE] They must have done it fairly quickly if they were told about the shortcomings in February and they were ready for floods in June, however. > [@](#): > > The larger issue of simply being physically unable to move the spent fuel rods, if faced with a certain catastrophic failure, that issue was never in any report. NRC or media. It still stands as the fatal flaw in storing dangerous nuclear material, in vast amounts, right next to a working reactor. The trouble is there is no place to move the rods TOO. They have the ability to move the things (though there would probably be wide spread protest about moving them by the anti-nuclear community, such as yourself). We COULD be moving them to Yucca Mountain, but, sadly that initiative was killed. By folks like you. And since we can’t recycle we are kind of stuck with the things piling up in situ. That’s what you get when you get your way but you have no rational alternatives to put forward, merely knee jerk fear based protests. I love the way you can turn that around to somehow make this both the nuclear power plant operators fault AND a major flaw in the design. 😛 -XT ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/757 "2011-06-28T21:46:16Z")
15 metric tons of water (low level radiation) leaked from a storage tank at Fukushima. Tokyo Electric Power Company shares are down 85% from that at the time of the tsunami. They may need to pay $100 billion in compensation. a cold shutdown by January is still hoped for. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/758 "2011-06-28T22:18:14Z")
The problem is they CAN’T move the spent fuel. If they could, it would be simple enough to move it out of harms way. Or move it to another facility. While nuclear cheerleaders bemoan the lack of storage it would be simple enough to give spent fuel rods to another country. Lots of other countries would gladly take 100,000 tons of spent fuel rods off our hands. Or just the 4,000 tons of plutonium in them. Not a problem. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/759 "2011-06-28T23:05:57Z")
each of the remaining 34000 children in Fukushima city will be given a dosimeter. outside activity for children has been stopped. there are hot spots all over the city. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/760 "2011-07-01T01:29:14Z")
And from the “no surprise” department: **Revealed: British government’s plan to play down Fukushima** > [@](#): > > British government officials approached nuclear companies to draw up a co-ordinated public relations strategy to play down the Fukushima nuclear accident just two days after the earthquake and tsunami in Japan and before the extent of the radiation leak was known. > > Internal emails seen by the Guardian show how the business and energy departments worked closely behind the scenes with the multinational companies EDF Energy, Areva and Westinghouse to try to ensure the accident did not derail their plans for a new generation of nuclear stations in the UK. > > “This has the potential to set the nuclear industry back globally,” wrote one official at the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills (BIS), whose name has been redacted. “We need to ensure the anti-nuclear chaps and chapesses do not gain ground on this. We need to occupy the territory and hold it. We really need to show the safety of nuclear.” > > Officials stressed the importance of preventing the incident from undermining public support for nuclear power. > > The Conservative MP Zac Goldsmith, who sits on the Commons environmental audit committee, condemned the extent of co-ordination between the government and nuclear companies that the emails appear to reveal. > > “The government has no business doing PR for the industry and it would be appalling if its departments have played down the impact of Fukushima,” he said. > > Louise Hutchins, a spokeswoman for Greenpeace, said the emails looked like “scandalous collusion”. “This highlights the government’s blind obsession with nuclear power and shows neither they, nor the industry, can be trusted when it comes to nuclear,” she said. > **[Revealed: British government's plan to play down Fukushima](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/jun/30/british-government-plan-play-down-fukushima)** > > Internal emails seen by Guardian show PR campaign was launched to protect UK nuclear plans after tsunami in Japan ``` While the nuclear cheerleaders will certainly attack the Greenpeace statements ``` > [@](#): > > Louise Hutchins, a spokeswoman for Greenpeace, said the emails looked like “scandalous collusion”. “This highlights the government’s blind obsession with nuclear power and shows neither they, nor the industry, can be trusted when it comes to nuclear,” ``` ...there is little doubt the gist of the story is true. The nuclear/military/government complex has always lied about nuclear issues. It's no surprise they finally got caught. Thanks internet. ``` [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=39)