# Rantings about stupid nuclear reporting, and I want to bitchslap somebody, also other crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077 "2011-03-26T19:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2011, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/761 "2011-07-01T18:11:33Z")
What a disgusting mindset. > **[UK government and nuclear industry email correspondence after the Fukushima...](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/interactive/2011/jun/30/email-nuclear-uk-government-fukushima)** > > Emails released under the Freedom of Information Act reveal the level of coordination between government departments and the nuclear industry during the Fukushima crisis They were not, are not concerned at all about people, property or life, only protecting their power, their money, their reactors. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/762 "2011-07-04T16:40:17Z")
“_The global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it… has corrupted so many scientists_” – Harold Lewis Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of California, Santa Barbara, former Chairman; Former member Defense Science Board, chmn of Technology panel; Chairman DSB study on Nuclear Winter; Former member Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards; Former member, President’s Nuclear Safety Oversight Committee; Chairman APS study on Nuclear Reactor Safety Chairman Risk Assessment Review Group; Co-founder and former Chairman of JASON; Former member USAF Scientific Advisory Board > [@](#): > > For reasons that will soon become clear my former pride at being an APS Fellow all these years has been turned into shame, and I am forced, with no pleasure at all, to offer you my resignation from the Society. > > It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist. Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read the ClimateGate documents, which lay it bare. (Montford’s book organizes the facts very well.) I don’t believe that any real physicist, nay scientist, can read that stuff without revulsion. I would almost make that revulsion a definition of the word scientist. [http://my.telegraph.co.uk/reasonmclucus/reasonmclucus/15835660/professor-emiritus-hal-lewis-resigns-from-american-physical-society/](http://my.telegraph.co.uk/reasonmclucus/reasonmclucus/15835660/professor-emiritus-hal-lewis-resigns-from-american-physical-society/) ``` I find myself incapable of believing that it is "the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud" as he says. But he certainly acted on his belief in the matter. It's hard to ignore something like this, though I note some have no problem ignoring it completely. If you add in the supposed vast conspiracy and money flowing from "the other side", some sort of fossil fuel Cabal acting to "destroy science", then we have a vast global fight going on between two sides, centered around money, power and fuels. With the fate of the world hanging in the balance. Fascinating actually. ``` ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2011, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/763 "2011-07-04T16:50:35Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I find myself incapable of believing that it is “the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud” as he says. But he certainly acted on his belief in the matter. It’s hard to ignore something like this, though I note some have no problem ignoring it completely. If you add in the supposed vast conspiracy and money flowing from “the other side”, some sort of fossil fuel Cabal acting to “destroy science”, then we have a vast global fight going on between two sides, centered around money, power and fuels. > > ``` > With the fate of the world hanging in the balance. Fascinating actually. > > ``` Old reheated baloney. [http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2010/10/11/206850/hal-lewis-resigns-from-the-american-physical-society/](http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2010/10/11/206850/hal-lewis-resigns-from-the-american-physical-society/) > [@](#): > > Seriously. Or, rather, not serious in the least bit. > > First off, he apparently doesn’t know what the word “literally” means — I’d like to assume he knows what the word “trillions” mean. But then he repeats and insists on trillions. Where the frig are all these trillions of dollars? America’s entire GDP is $14 trillion. There are tens of millions of dollars involved, to be sure, although only a small fraction of that money ends up in the hands of U.S. physicists, who really are only a small part of climate science research. So it is hard to see how the APS could be corrupted by it. > > Second, it is just absurd for him to say that climate scientists are somehow corrupted by “the fame and glory” — that was precisely what motivated many of the giants. And as a trivial aside, travel was always one of the perks of being a big-league physicist. Heck, they actually had sabbaticals every seven years! > > Third, the Inhofe-esque statement “this is the greatest and most successful pseudo-scientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist,” accuses the scientific community broadly defined of conspiring in deliberate fraud – and not just the community of climate scientists, but the leading National Academies of Science around the world (including ours) and the American Geophysical Union, an organization of geophysicists that consists of more than 45,000 members and the American Meteorological Association and the American Association for the Advancement of Science (see “Yet more scientists call for deep GHG cuts“). Such a statement accuses all of the member governments of the IPCC, including ours, of participating in that conspiracy, since they all sign off on the Assessment Reports word for word. And it accuses all of the leading scientific journals of being in on this fraud, since the IPCC reports are primarily a review and synthesis of the published scientific literature. > > Fourth, “Montford’s book organizes the facts very well.” Well, if you are getting most of your “facts” from Nostradamus Montford, well, I daresay that’s the very definition of no longer engaging in the scientific method. See, for instance, the outstanding Real Climate post, “The Montford Delusion.” ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/764 "2011-07-05T16:41:21Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Saying that proponents of nuclear power are asking all to ignore the current problems in Japan is just weapon’s grade straw manning, Fortune favors those who wait for the reality to be revealed. > [@](#): > > British government officials approached nuclear companies to draw up a co-ordinated public relations strategy to play down the Fukushima nuclear accident just two days after the earthquake and tsunami in Japan and before the extent of the radiation leak was known. > > Internal emails seen by the Guardian show how the business and energy departments worked closely behind the scenes with the multinational companies EDF Energy, Areva and Westinghouse to try to ensure the accident did not derail their plans for a new generation of nuclear stations in the UK. > > “This has the potential to set the nuclear industry back globally,” wrote one official at the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills (BIS), whose name has been redacted. “We need to ensure the anti-nuclear chaps and chapesses do not gain ground on this. We need to occupy the territory and hold it. We really need to show the safety of nuclear.” > > Officials stressed the importance of preventing the incident from undermining public support for nuclear power. > > The Conservative MP Zac Goldsmith, who sits on the Commons environmental audit committee, condemned the extent of co-ordination between the government and nuclear companies that the emails appear to reveal. > > “The government has no business doing PR for the industry and it would be appalling if its departments have played down the impact of Fukushima,” he said. > > Louise Hutchins, a spokeswoman for Greenpeace, said the emails looked like “scandalous collusion”. “This highlights the government’s blind obsession with nuclear power and shows neither they, nor the industry, can be trusted when it comes to nuclear,” she said. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/765 "2011-07-05T16:43:24Z")
Just like on countless message boards, the nuclear cheerleader was hard at work before anything was really known about the disaster, trying hard to protect not people, not the planet, but their beloved reactors. This shameless bullshit rhetoric, the lack of any human empathy or even reason, it’s fascinating when the blind eye and bias becomes so apparent so easily. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2011, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/766 "2011-07-05T16:56:23Z")
So, have we lost several states yet? How many have died so far in the US from the imminent nuclear disaster? I haven’t seen much in the news about it, but obviously the MSM is blocking all reports. How many have died at this point in Fukushima due to the lethal levels of radiation? Thousands? 10’s of thousands? Millions? Billions? Trillions? It’s off the scale that you would talk about ‘shameless bullshit rhetoric’…I actually have to unhook my irony meter whenever I wander back into any thread you participate in… -XT ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2011, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/767 "2011-07-05T18:19:14Z")
They have extended the evacuation zone due to cesium counts being far over safe levels outside the previous zone. But that is just scaremongering. All is well. If you need millions of deaths to prove nuke is unsafe, you win. The effects of radiation take years to show. Therefore the cancers will be attributed to some other cause. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2011, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/768 "2011-07-05T19:00:51Z")
The answer to the question, gonzo, is ‘zero’. NO ONE had died at Fukushima due to radiation poisoning. 10’s of thousands have died from the fucking disaster that caused Fukushima. As for future deaths, I’m sure there will be some. Perhaps a handful from the workers, maybe a few more from the civilians. While 10’s of thousands died from the fucking earthquake and tsunami, and thousands die each year due to coal pollution. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/769 "2011-07-05T19:45:50Z")
But, nookular has radiation. Radiation is baaad, m’kay? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/770 "2011-07-06T01:26:16Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > The answer to the question, gonzo, is ‘zero’. NO ONE had died at Fukushima due to radiation poisoning. 10’s of thousands have died from the fucking disaster that caused Fukushima. > > As for future deaths, I’m sure there will be some. Perhaps a handful from the workers, maybe a few more from the civilians. While 10’s of thousands died from the fucking earthquake and tsunami, and thousands die each year due to coal pollution. > > -XT And farmland unusable. Cows and other farm animals getting taken off the market. Vegetables grown within 50 miles no longer fit for consumption. people not allowed near their homes in an area that keeps growing. Yep XT all is well. How can anyone be upset at poisoning a huge farmland. I did not even mention the seas being polluted with radiation. No problems. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/771 "2011-07-06T01:45:53Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > No problems. No one said there were no problems. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/772 "2011-07-06T02:29:58Z")
Reality reports that several old reactors, built right on a river, downstream from large reservoirs that have earthen dams, are flooded. Will flood if the river rises. Reason dictates that they are at risk of failure if any of several dams fail. While the problems are obvious, the nuclear cheerleader won’t deal with it. Instead we hear > [@](#): > > So, have we lost several states yet? Faced with the logical and reasonable risk, rather than look for solutions, or even discuss the issue, the nuclear cheerleader says > [@](#): > > How many have died so far in the US from the imminent nuclear disaster? While it’s fun to mock the conspiracy theorists and alarmists, the cheerleader avoids the fundamental safety issues, focusing rather on > [@](#): > > I haven’t seen much in the news about it, but obviously the MSM is blocking all reports. This of course is exactly the sort of response that the nuclear cheerleader hates when other people do it. That they can’t see the irony, it’s loltastic. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/773 "2011-07-06T03:02:27Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] And farmland unusable. Cows and other farm animals getting taken off the market. Vegetables grown within 50 miles no longer fit for consumption. [/QUOTE] This is of course what is commonly referred to as ‘exaggeration’. > [@](#): > > Yep XT all is well. ‘All is well’ is YOUR ridiculous strawman you buffoon…I never said anything of the kind. What I SAID was ‘how many have died’. You respond with hyperbole and exaggeration and then with strawmen. Wonder why? Perhaps because, well, no one has died despite the frantic hand-wringing and words of doom and gloom from you and your kind? > [@](#): > > How can anyone be upset at poisoning a huge farmland. I did not even mention the seas being polluted with radiation. How can anyone be upset by the tens of thousands that died in the earthquake and tsunami that caused this disaster? How can they be upset by the villages that were wiped off the map and the hundreds of billions of yen this has cost the Japanese? > [@](#): > > No problems. The trouble with saying this is that everyone is aware you are pulling it out of your ass…just like the rest of your bullshit. Because that’s all you are gonzo…ignorance and bullshit. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries… -XT ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/774 "2011-07-06T03:08:34Z")
[QUOTE=FXMastermind] Faced with the logical and reasonable risk, rather than look for solutions, or even discuss the issue, the nuclear cheerleader says [/QUOTE] So, I’ll take that as a ‘no, we haven’t lost any states despite my frantic worry-age about it earlier’. > [@](#): > > While it’s fun to mock the conspiracy theorists and alarmists, the cheerleader avoids the fundamental safety issues, focusing rather on So, ‘no’ would be the answer to the imminent nuclear disaster then. Thanks. > [@](#): > > This of course is exactly the sort of response that the nuclear cheerleader hates when other people do it. That they can’t see the irony, it’s loltastic. IOW, again the answer is ‘no’…not a conspiracy by the MSM to keep the vital news out of the public’s hands and cover for the evil nuclear energy cartel, instead there was really nothing to see there, the frantic bleating of the anti-nuclear crowd was again a false alarm. I didn’t ask, but I guess those dams didn’t collapse either, ehe? Thanks once again for the amusement of trying to handwave away your frantic and misguided fears by trying to make this about some pro-nuclear coalition you see on this board. It’s nearly as amusing as Le Jac’s dark mutterings about how we are a nest of pro-free market propagandists who are out of step with the real America and real red blooded American workers. 😛 -XT ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/775 "2011-07-06T03:39:10Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > This is of course what is commonly referred to as ‘exaggeration’. > > ‘All is well’ is YOUR ridiculous strawman you buffoon…I never said anything of the kind. What I SAID was ‘how many have died’. You respond with hyperbole and exaggeration and then with strawmen. Wonder why? Perhaps because, well, no one has died despite the frantic hand-wringing and words of doom and gloom from you and your kind? > > How can anyone be upset by the tens of thousands that died in the earthquake and tsunami that caused this disaster? How can they be upset by the villages that were wiped off the map and the hundreds of billions of yen this has cost the Japanese? > > The trouble with saying this is that everyone is aware you are pulling it out of your ass…just like the rest of your bullshit. Because that’s all you are gonzo…ignorance and bullshit. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries… > > -XT You create a false standard and then deny it. Where are the pile of dead people and the states that have to become uninhabited? It is not a nuclear explosion you idiot. it is radiation poisoning. It takes time to kill. But it will, slowly and horribly. Want an unusable state? Try Chernobyl. Try Fukushima. The people are being evacuated . Why is that? Are you really too stupid to understand the meltdowns are poisoning the land for many miles and , the ocean and the air? Some radiation takes years to show. Some is faster because it disrupts a persons DNA. But even those will not show tomorrow morning. But it will come. And by then you will claim it was from something else. The truth and you are strangers. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/776 "2011-07-06T04:12:55Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] You create a false standard and then deny it. [/QUOTE] No, I simply told you that no one is saying ‘don’t worry’ or anything of the sort. > [@](#): > > Where are the pile of dead people and the states that have to become uninhabited? Well…where are they? You’ve been show the statistics pointing to piles of dead from coal plants. You’ve seen the grim statistics from the tsunami and earthquake dead in Japan. Where are your statistics pointing to the vast menace of nuclear energy?? I’ve seen a few obviously bloated statistics supposedly from Chernobyl, but that’s about it. Unless you are saying that nuclear energy is really not all that dangerous as it’s implemented, at least wrt human life (which is quite robust and able to withstand huge amounts of radiation) but it’s deadly to farms and fish…or something? See, that’s the thing…when asked to quantify the menace by showing how deadly dangerous it is you basically handwave and then do the two step shuffle. Why not post a few random links? It will make you feel better. Then you and FXM can do some mutual anti-nuclear masturbation, stroke each other and stoke the fear, then you can come back and convince yourselves that nuclear is the greatest threat to mankind since the advent of sliced bread. > [@](#): > > It is not a nuclear explosion you idiot. Straw…the other white-meat. > [@](#): > > it is radiation poisoning. It takes time to kill. Yes…it’s taken decades to kill an estimated 4000-6000 at Chernobyl after all. I’m sure in 60 years or so a lot of folks in and around Fukushima who were living when the disaster struck and weren’t unfortunate enough to be among the 20-30,000 killed immediately will die, and within 100 years my guess is the vast majority will be dead! :eek: > [@](#): > > Want an unusable state? No, but I suspect based on your posts and FXM’s posts that someone does/did, ehe? You guys were practically wetting the bed in hopeful anticipation of the disaster that was coming down the pike and would (in your own feeble minds) render an entire state uninhabitable. > [@](#): > > Are you really too stupid to understand the meltdowns are poisoning the land for many miles and , the ocean and the air? No, you are simply too stupid to understand the point, despite the fact that numerous posters have tried to beat it through that granite lump you have between your shoulders. No one denies that radiation leaked from Fukushima or Chernobyl you moron. No one has said that. No one denied that Fukushima was a serious situation or that the emergency was real, no one denies that Chernobyl was a complete disaster that will take hundreds or thousands of years before people could live there again without danger. It always amazes me that just when I think you couldn’t possibly be any stupider than you are, you go and prove me wrong. :smack: > [@](#): > > Some radiation takes years to show. Some is faster because it disrupts a persons DNA. But even those will not show tomorrow morning. But it will come. And by then you will claim it was from something else. The truth and you are strangers. Again, no one denies this. The POINT, however, is that the relative risk is small compares to other risks we take every day. Possibly a few dozens, maybe a few score or even a few hundred people living in Japan will die from radiation effects years or decades from now. It won’t be thousands, or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands or millions, however. It won’t be as many people as those who fucking died in the event that caused Fukushima. At Chernobyl thousands have died…anywhere between 4000 and perhaps 10,000 have died so far, and I’m sure there will be more to come. It was a disaster…the worst one in history for nuclear energy. But how many 10’s of thousands of Russians have died EVERY YEAR from coal fired plants that are incredibly dirty? How many have died from chemical plants or leaks, or toxic waste?? Relative risk…I know you can’t comprehend what that means since you are too stupid and ignorant to get it through your thick skull, despite having many posters try and explain it to you or shame you into THINKING for a change instead of just jerking your knee. In a modern society there are many things that society does that will kill some non-zero number of the populace. Just going to delete the rest of this post since there is zero point in trying to once again explain risk assessment and cost to benefits evaluations. All of the rational 'dopers already know all this stuff, and you and FXM…well, the wall would have more of a chance of comprehending the point than you would gonzo. I’ve thrown out pocket lint that had more native intelligence than you, and FXM is, well, [FXM](http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://eddieraysmoviereviews.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/troll-bank-gr1.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://eddieraysmoviereviews.wordpress.com/2011/06/15/troll-hunter-or-the-blair-troll-project-my-fuckin-review/&h=500&w=500&sz=35&tbnid=BpD4q2TYqRIy8M:&tbnh=91&tbnw=91&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPicture%2Bof%2Btroll%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=Picture+of+troll&hl=en&usg=__IKadkT0e9awTI8aqkzSVoqHWnD0=&sa=X&ei=qOATTvbOL_DKiALGyoHeDQ&ved=0CEYQ9QEwDg&dur=13)… -XT ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/777 "2011-07-06T14:38:43Z")
Meanwhile, back in the real world… > [@](#): > > Renewable energy production has surpassed nuclear energy production in the U.S. according to the latest issue of Monthly Energy Review published by the Energy Information Administration. Production of alternative energy is also beginning to close in on domestic oil production. > > During the first three months of 2011, energy produced from renewable energy sources (biomass/biofuels, geothermal, solar, hydro, wind) generated 2.245 quadrillion Btus of energy equating to 11.73 percent of U.S. energy production. During this same time period, renewable energy production surpassed nuclear energy power by 5.65 percent. In total, energy produced from renewables is 77.15 percent of that from domestic crude oil production [http://domesticfuel.com/2011/07/05/renewable-energy-production-surpasses-nuclear/](http://domesticfuel.com/2011/07/05/renewable-energy-production-surpasses-nuclear/) Before you nuclear moonbats start whining, check the source > **[sec1\_5.pdf](https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/sec1_5.pdf)** > > 550.93 KB ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/778 "2011-07-06T15:03:38Z")
If you lump enough things together I guess eventually you get a winner, especially since nuclear energy has been pretty static for over a decade since we aren’t building a lot of new nuclear power plants. The article you linked too is talking about energy production (this would include all energy, not just electricity which only accounts for around 40% of all US energy), and they are throwing everything including the kitchen sink into the equation to get it to equal nuclear even then, including the rise in biofuel usage. Biomass, of course, accounts for the lions share of all the ‘renewable’ energy production, with hydroelectric also being a large contributing factor. By mixing energy production types and then comparing them to a single production source (that is fairly static) and is only involved in ELECTRICAL energy production it’s easy to build your strawman and knock him down. When you start looking at electrical energy production, or you break down what each of those ‘renewable’ energy sources account for in the mix you get a more realistic picture of what’s happening. Not that the article is trying to deceive or anything, the trouble is those such as FXM use stuff like that to then equate wind and solar as being scalable to replace nuclear and this proves it…or something. That’s the real world. Now, back to FXM’s world… -XT ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/779 "2011-07-06T15:03:59Z")
Poor xtisme, you just can’t seem to get the ‘ranting about stupid shit’ down. I mean, you tried at least, using all caps at one point, but you just fizzle out and end on a pessimistic and boring note. > [@xtisme](#): > > The POINT, however, is that the relative risk is small compares to other risks we take every day. Your problem is that reality is obvious, and no matter how many times you repeat something idiotic, it won’t make it true. Much less get anyone but your fellow believers to agree with you. Because the ongoing crisis, the huge disaster that is Fukushima is simply there. And you can’t make it go away, even if you think ignoring it will make that happen. > [@xtisme](#): > > Possibly a few dozens, maybe a few score or even a few hundred people living in Japan will die from radiation effects years or decades from now. And there you go again. Maybe you are simply confused. It’s like if almost everyone was rescued from the Titanic, so there were few deaths, you would be repeating over and over that it wasn’t really a disaster, because so few people died. Ignoring the loss of a new ship, the horror and the cold, the loss of much irreplaceable property, all the valuables, and even while thousands were huddled in ships holds and sleeping on ice cold decks of the rescue ships, you were trying hard to convince everyone that it wasn’t that bad, that the risks of driving in a carriage were worse. People would simply dismiss you as a crank. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/780 "2011-07-06T18:18:27Z")
Meanwhile, in the real world, solar just keeps adding carbon free electricity to mankind, free of all the risks and dangers that nuclear reactors would bring. > [@](#): > > The installation on the roof of the HSL4 (high-speed line Antwerp – Amsterdam) rail tunnel in Antwerp covers a total surface area of 50,000 m², about the size of 8 football pitches. The solar energy is used to power the railway infrastructure (signalling, lighting, heating of railway stations etc.,) and also the trains using the Belgian rail network. > The installation should generate an estimated 3300 MWh of electricity per year, equivalent to the average annual electricity consumption of nearly 1,000 homes, and decrease CO2 emissions by 2,400 tons per year. > **[electronicsbus.com](http://electronicsbus.com/solar-powered-train-solar-railway-tunnel-railway-solar-projects/)** > > This domain may be for sale! The nuclear moonbat would try and tell you a nuclear reactor outside Amsterdam would be safe and clean and cheap. None of which is true. Meanwhile, for less than half the cost you could use solar to create more juice. Since peak use is during the daytime, especially on hot days, solar can easily meet peak demand, now. Not maybe ten years from now when the nuclear plant might be ready. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=40)