# Rantings about stupid nuclear reporting, and I want to bitchslap somebody, also other crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077 "2011-03-26T19:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/941 "2011-08-03T15:07:01Z")
While I know it’a troll, and a stupid one, the poor casual reader may actually want to know shit about particles that emit gamma rays. [http://www.sciencemag.org/content/147/3655/290.abstract](http://www.sciencemag.org/content/147/3655/290.abstract) Learn to Google, it’s fun AND educational! Or remain an ignorant troll. Your choice. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/942 "2011-08-03T15:11:12Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > While I know it’a troll, and a stupid one, the poor casual reader may actually want to know shit about particles that emit gamma rays. I know what a gamma emitting particle is, I work with them. I want to know what a “particle emitting gamma” is. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/943 "2011-08-03T15:14:05Z")
A piece of wood emitting smoke is the same as a smoking piece of wood. I guess English isn’t your first language. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/944 "2011-08-03T15:14:34Z")
If I agree with you, will you declare victory and leave? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/945 "2011-08-03T15:21:48Z")
The fallout from Fukushima spreads. > **[Sellafield Mox nuclear fuel plant to close](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/aug/03/sellafield-mox-plant-close)** > > The mixed-oxide fuel plant will be shut as a consequence of the Fukushima incident, with the loss of about 600 jobs 1.4 billion? Holy fuck. How may solar panels can you build with that kind of money? Oh right, enough to replace several nuclear reactors. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/946 "2011-08-03T15:41:50Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > 1.4 billion? Holy fuck. How may solar panels can you build with that kind of money? Enough to replace 1/5th of a modern nuclear reactor. You can get about 300MW with that money, if you are talking about a ultramodern solar tower plant design,or 100MW with conventional panels. Numbers from a pro-solar blog here. [http://www.unenergy.org/Popup%20pages/Comparecosts.html](http://www.unenergy.org/Popup%20pages/Comparecosts.html) The rest of their numbers (like plant lifetime and operational costs) are bunk, but the capital construction/design costs seem about right. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/947 "2011-08-03T15:45:36Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > A piece of wood emitting smoke is the same as a smoking piece of wood. I guess English isn’t your first language. Who taught you English? A man eating cow and a cow eating man are not the same thing. Nor is a piece of wood emitting smoke and smoke emitting a piece of wood. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/948 "2011-08-03T15:49:16Z")
If I agree with you, will you declare victory and leave? ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/949 "2011-08-03T16:00:40Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > If I agree with you, will you declare victory and leave? As long as you stop posting, sure. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/950 "2011-08-03T16:09:48Z")
A man eating a hamburger isn’t the same as a hamburger eating man, unless the man is always eating hamburgers. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/951 "2011-08-03T16:14:40Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Just to be clear, are you claiming that it must be gamma radiation because it is coming through 2 inches of steel No, I am reporting what the Gamma camera and the reading from Tepco said. It’s high energy gamma radiation. It’s coming from inside two pipes, located exactly where the photos of it show it is. And the chart shows it. Alpha and Beta do not penetrate 2 inch steel. Of course if you knew even the slightest thing about radiation you would know that. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/952 "2011-08-03T16:20:24Z")
Is it time to ask a moderator to shut this thread down? It’s mainly little more than a blog for **FXMastermind** ’s arguing with himself. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/953 "2011-08-03T16:33:56Z")
Isn’t trolling against the rules here? ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/954 "2011-08-03T16:38:06Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Isn’t trolling against the rules here? Good point. Another reason to ask the mods to close this, since I can’t tell you have any other intention. Arguing with your own little straw men can certainly be a method for trolling, as you demonstrate. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/955 "2011-08-03T16:45:10Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s important to learn from one’s own mistakes. But when the mistakes are someone else’s, are the lessons as significant? > > ``` > That's the dilemma for the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission as it continues to carry out its safety mission in the aftermath of the Fukushima Daichi nuclear catastrophe in Japan. > > ``` > > On Tuesday, its five commissioners, including Chairman Gregory Jaczko, testified before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee about a report released last week by its post-Fukushima Near-Term Task Force. The report—and the commissioners themselves, who are split on the report’s recommendations—sent mixed signals about the safety of America’s nuclear reactor fleet, adding uncertainty to the future of nuclear power in the country. [http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/energy-intelligence/2011/08/02/how-should-nrc-respond-to-japans-nuclear-disaster](http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/energy-intelligence/2011/08/02/how-should-nrc-respond-to-japans-nuclear-disaster) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/956 "2011-08-03T16:46:19Z")
The US has 54 reactors exactly like the ones that melted down and blew up in Japan. With a shit ton of fuel rods stored right next to them. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/957 "2011-08-03T16:48:36Z")
For anyone serious about learning about safety and nuclear reactors, especially Japans, here is a nuclear engineer who worked on them for a very long time. Telling the truth. > **[The Truth About Nuclear Power: Japanese Nuclear Engineer Calls for Abolition−−...](https://apjjf.org/2011/9/31/Satoko-Norimatsu/3582/article.html)** > > The Truth About Nuclear Power: Japanese Nuclear Engineer Calls for Abolition > Koide Hiroaki > Introduction and translation by Sakai Yasuyuki and Norimatsu Satoko >   > A Japanese translation of the intr Suck it bitches. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/958 "2011-08-03T17:19:24Z")
Shall we try to add a little signal to the noise here? For anyone who’s curious about the latest find in Fukishima, but a little perplexed by FXM’s joycean streaming prose and random links, here’s a summary that is slightly more meaningful: [http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS\_Second\_high\_radiation\_reading\_308112.html](http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Second_high_radiation_reading_308112.html) > [@](#): > > Another radiation hotspot has been found at the Fukushima Daiichi site - again in part of the emergency venting and filtration system. > > Yesterday an extremely high reading of 10,000 millisieverts per hour was announced as having been found in pipework leading to an exhaust stack. Today that was followed by a reading of over 5000 millisieverts per hour inside one of the buildings. > > Both of the readings were taken from parts of the Standby Gas Treatment System (SGTS), through which steam was vented to relieve reactor pressure during the accident in March. In that sense, it is highly likely that Tokyo Electric Power Company will make several more findings of radiation hotspots as it conducts stabilisation work inside the power plant buildings. So, there you go. The venting system used to release pressure from the reactor is very radioactive at several spots, precluding access by human workers. The end of the world is surely nigh, and I’m afraid we can expect no drop in the casualty rate at the site. As further substantiation of the severity of this situation, I would direct you to the following [diagram.](http://www.b3tards.com/u/0bb7ac49b9769052ddb6/hippotriangle.gif) . I hope this is clear enough. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/959 "2011-08-03T18:01:30Z")
> [@](#): > > Both of the readings were taken from parts of the Standby Gas Treatment System (SGTS), through which steam was vented to relieve reactor pressure during the accident in March. In that sense, it is highly likely that Tokyo Electric Power Company will make several more findings of radiation hotspots as it conducts stabilisation work inside the power plant buildings. > The first hotspot was detected in a part of the SGTS pipework immediately before the exhaust stack shared by units 1 and 2. The latest one is on the second floor of unit 1’s turbine building, near the entrance to a room related to the SGTS. > > Each reactor building has an SGTS which maintains slightly lower air pressure during normal operation to reduce the possiblity that potential contamination could exit the plant building through any tiny holes. It has air intakes and components on several floors. Should contamination be present in the buildings for any reason, the SGTS is there to filter the air before release through the stack. It also provides the filtered route for venting from the reactor system, as used during the accident. > > The radiation levels indicated by these off-the-scale readings mean that no worker can approach to within a few metres of the areas to take detailed manual measurements. Instead, levels were estimated using gamma cameras mounted on robots. [http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS\_Second\_high\_radiation\_reading\_308112.html](http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Second_high_radiation_reading_308112.html) The areas are not the filtering areas, but thick steel pipe. Of course the resident nuclear expert can’t understand why it has to be gamma rays. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/960 "2011-08-03T18:13:23Z")
Nuclear energy is so safe you can do it in your kitchen. [http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/europe/swedish-man-arrested-for-trying-to-split-atoms-in-home-kitchen/article2118309/](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/europe/swedish-man-arrested-for-trying-to-split-atoms-in-home-kitchen/article2118309/) Whoops. I guess it isn’t just countries the authorities want to stop from using nuclear materials. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=49)