# Rantings about stupid nuclear reporting, and I want to bitchslap somebody, also other crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077 "2011-03-26T19:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/961 "2011-08-03T18:44:46Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > [http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS\_Second\_high\_radiation\_reading\_308112.html](http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Second_high_radiation_reading_308112.html) > > The areas are not the filtering areas, but thick steel pipe. Of course the resident nuclear expert can’t understand why it has to be gamma rays. I’m curious. Are you quoting the exact same source, in the strange hope that it contradicts itself. Or because you you think that their description of “an extremely high reading of 10,000 millisieverts per hour was announced as having been found in pipework leading to an exhaust stack” is wrong? \*\* awaits next response about nuclear proponent/denier/cheerleader moonbats with fascinating link to a google translation of a page about pretty much any random topic presented as undeniable evidence of something or other \*\* ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/962 "2011-08-03T18:58:35Z")
I guess the words “The radiation levels indicated by these off-the-scale readings mean that no worker can approach to within a few metres of the areas to take detailed manual measurements. Instead, levels were estimated using gamma cameras mounted on robots.” are too hard for you to follow. The material is not outside the pipes, it is inside them. Alpha and Beta do not penetrate thick metal. Also that they used gamma ray cameras is a clue. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/963 "2011-08-03T19:14:53Z")
Of course the real issue, which hasn’t been brought up in the media or by Tepco, is where in the fuck did this new shit come from? It’s not like it went somehow unnoticed for over three months, with people working around it all the time. And what is causing it? What intense gamma ray creating shit is actually inside that piping? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/964 "2011-08-03T19:15:47Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The US has 54 reactors exactly like the ones that melted down and blew up in Japan. With a shit ton of fuel rods stored right next to them. All the more reason to replace them with modern designs that can reprocess those fuel rods down to a orders-of-magnitude less radioactive and smaller waste product while continuing to generate power. But no, that’d be the SMART thing. Instead we have feeping anti-nuclear morons screaming BANANA, and no actual solution to the problem of building high-power, high-duty-cycle, high-reliability electrical plants other than coal or nuclear. Wind and solar are not up to it just based on duty cycle alone. Tidal and geothermal aren’t up to it based on raw power output. So because the anti-nuke flaming morons cannot and will not entertain actual alternatives, we are stuck with aging, increasingly dangerous plants that cannot be reasonably replaced and cannot be shutdown without dramatically affecting the associated power grids. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/965 "2011-08-03T19:21:25Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The US has 54 reactors exactly like the ones that melted down and blew up in Japan. With a shit ton of fuel rods stored right next to them. Yikes! I sure hope none of them gets hit by a tsunami! ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/966 "2011-08-03T19:26:04Z")
Or a dam upriver fails. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/967 "2011-08-03T19:32:38Z")
So I’m sure you’ve examined the list of 54 and carefully evaluated the possibility of upriver dam bursts, right? Because otherwise you’d just be talking out of your ass. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/968 "2011-08-03T19:38:53Z")
Actually if something prevented the dam from releasing water, that would also cause loss of cooling, which would lead to a possible meltdown as well. And yes, it is easy enough to look upriver from power plants to see the dams that could effect them. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/969 "2011-08-03T19:42:55Z")
So it should be easy for you to find and describe such an example, then, as opposed to expecting us to monkey-jump at your dire “54” warning. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/970 "2011-08-03T19:45:28Z")
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=33.143333,-81.760556&ll=33.422272,-81.920929&spn=0.613209,1.113739&z=10 You should see a green arrow where the plant is. The dam is obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/971 "2011-08-03T19:59:36Z")
You mean way up there by the regional airport? If there’s a closer one, I can’t see it, and am disinclined to take your word for _anything_ at this point, so feel free to offer up more detail. A topography map of the area would help, too, to let us see the relative elevations. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/972 "2011-08-03T20:30:00Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I guess the words “The radiation levels indicated by these off-the-scale readings mean that no worker can approach to within a few metres of the areas to take detailed manual measurements. Instead, levels were estimated using gamma cameras mounted on robots.” are too hard for you to follow. > > The material is not outside the pipes, it is inside them. Alpha and Beta do not penetrate thick metal. Also that they used gamma ray cameras is a clue. Alpha and beta do not penetrate thick metal. Correct (at least as far as my limited knowledge of physics goes) But a metal pipe used to vent large amounts of radioactive material will itself become radioactive (see previous statement on my qualifications) So now the pipe from the emergency venting system…actually, probably the whole venetian assembly I should imagine, needs to be encased in cement and buried underground somewhere safe. At this rate, the current death toll could increase by a factor of tens or hundreds. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/973 "2011-08-04T12:15:55Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > No, I am reporting what the Gamma camera and the reading from Tepco said. It’s high energy gamma radiation. It’s coming from inside two pipes, located exactly where the photos of it show it is. And the chart shows it. > > Alpha and Beta do not penetrate 2 inch steel. Of course if you knew even the slightest thing about radiation you would know that. I do. Why do you think there are only three forms of ionizing radiation? You’ve never heard of x-rays or neutrons, for example, both of which are relatively unmitigated by a little steel? I mean, its not as bad as your other idea of a gamma rays emitting particles, but I’m just trying to fight ignorance here. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/974 "2011-08-04T14:32:06Z")
[http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/04/us-japan-nuclear-idUSTRE77212020110804](http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/04/us-japan-nuclear-idUSTRE77212020110804) [Japan](http://www.reuters.com/places/japan) sacked three senior bureaucrats in charge of nuclear power policy on Thursday, holding them to account for a series of scandals which have broken out in recent weeks over the government’s cozy relationship with the power industry. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/975 "2011-08-04T18:30:39Z")
What was clearly stated: > [@FXMastermind](#): > > To say ingesting a particle emitting gamma into your lungs is the same as ‘background radiation’ is to make yourself a fool. What a fool hears: > [@kidchameleon](#): > > Could you define what a “particle emitting gamma” is? I’m not familiar with that term. Let me try again. I will use simple words, so you can understand. > [@](#): > > To say “ingesting a particle emitting gamma into your lungs is the same as ‘background radiation’” This mean, "if somebody say background radiation is the same as ‘ingesting a particle, which is emitting radiation, into your lungs’, then they are an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/976 "2011-08-04T18:41:31Z")
I don’t understand. Could you explain that again? ---
**Author:** ![randomface](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5fc32e/32.png) [@randomface](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randomface)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/977 "2011-08-04T19:27:33Z")
This mean FXMastermind master no mind. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/978 "2011-08-04T20:20:55Z")
The important thing is to focus on the person, and avoid the facts. This is how you fight ignorance. If you look at the facts, you might have to think. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/979 "2011-08-04T20:29:45Z")
The fact is, you’re dumb. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/980 "2011-08-04T20:33:55Z")
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