# Rantings about stupid nuclear reporting, and I want to bitchslap somebody, also other crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077 "2011-03-26T19:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1001 "2011-08-05T15:38:03Z")
Just because it is so delicious here it is again. > [@Still support nuke power plants?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/still-support-nuke-power-plants/574647/613): > > Cancer rates spiked after WWII, especially the kind that kills you. That never gets old. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1002 "2011-08-05T16:40:59Z")
That is indeed some pretty classic stupid. It’s not the _stupidest_ thing I’ve read here, to be sure, but it’s a noble effort. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1003 "2011-08-05T17:12:18Z")
The denier is firmly stuck in what I call a “no science” zone, in which their belief is the only important thing. We know of course that breathing in radioactive particles is one of the reasons for high doses, which are directly connected to increased cancer rates in smokers. Nobody but the most ardent denier will dispute this. It’s one reason the estimate deaths from coal stacks, because of damage to the lungs from soot from coal, which also contains radioactive materials from the coal. Radon also is damaging because of breathing it, almost nobody denies this any longer. The radioactive material from phosphate fertilizers increased the cancer risk, and is well know among researchers. Yet when it comes to the vast quantities of fall out from bomb testing, the nuclear denier will flat out tell you not a single person who smokes got any extra radiation from the world wide contamination. It’s magical. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1004 "2011-08-05T17:13:27Z")
The same is true for the other increases in cancer following WWII Somehow not a single person got any ill effect from the radiation. It’s a wonderful world we live in. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1005 "2011-08-05T17:17:13Z")
Who are you arguing with? Kindly point to a post in this thread from someone who has denied those points you just made. What we see here is FXMastermind continuing to argue with his little strawmen. Boy, when he whacks 'em they sure fall down! Wow! (Note by the way that “extra radiation” is not necessarily equivalent to “unhealthful increased amount” much less “lethal dose.”) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1006 "2011-08-05T17:21:49Z")
Who are these “nuclear deniers” he keeps talking about? They sound like an unreasonable bunch of characters, wot? ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1007 "2011-08-05T18:23:14Z")
Wait, I thought they were “nuclear apologists”? Denier apologists? Apologist deniers? Rational human beings? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1008 "2011-08-05T19:23:33Z")
> [@Hbns](#): > > Wait, I thought they were “nuclear apologists”? You left out cheerleaders. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1009 "2011-08-05T19:24:17Z")
From 60 minutes. March 20th [http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/20/60minutes/main20045131.shtml](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/20/60minutes/main20045131.shtml) (video here - [http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml](http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml) ) Interview with Julia Nesheiwat. She’s a State Department official who was already in Japan working on nuclear issues. She served in Washington as deputy chief of staff to the director of national intelligence. > [@](#): > > An American team of top experts arrived shortly after the disaster but they were largely stuck at the U.S. Embassy. The Japanese didn’t think they needed the help. But by last Tuesday the emergency was out of control and the U.S. gave the Japanese an ominous private warning. > > “That if we don’t expand the efforts, we’ll require heroic work that could be quite devastating for the workers,” Nesheiwat explained. > > Asked what the U.S. meant by that, she told Pelley, “That means they could very well lose their lives.” > > “An official with the U.S. government told the Japanese that your people are going to have to die to save that plant, unless you let us help you?” Pelley asked. “Yes,” Nesheiwat replied. > > At one point during the week, the hazard was so great the Japanese took all but about 70 workers out of the plant. > > Their problem is water: the systems that keep the radioactive fuel rods cool failed. The rods are partially melting, releasing radiation. And it’s not just the reactors - there are also used fuel rods, essentially nuclear waste, stored in pools nearby. They’re also losing water. > > American experts fear one of these pools is already dry. > > Nesheiwat told “60 Minutes” the danger is multiplied because the reactors are so close to each other. > > “That is a grave concern at this time. If there is an explosion, if there is a meltdown, a fire, it can absolutely affect the neighboring plants,” she told Pelley. > > Asked what that would mean, she said, “Goodness, I don’t even want to think what that could mean. That’s just something that we would have to really plan for it at the greatest scale. And we’re hoping and praying that that’s not the case.” It’s much more powerful watching her on video, but we all know you won’t watch it.. Of course Scott Pelley doesn’t ask the follow up question, or point out the bleeding obvious facts to her. But lets look at two things she said, with a straight face. “If there is an explosion, if there is a meltdown, a fire, it can absolutely affect the neighboring plants,” she told Pelley. Seriously? You are going to say that now? After there has already been three explosions, and all four buildings are damaged, shit leaking everywhere, that is what you want us to know? But then, the ultimate evasion. Asked what that would mean, she said, “ **Goodness, I don’t even want to think what that could mean**. That’s just something **that we would have to really plan for it** at the greatest scale. And\*\* we’re hoping and praying \*\*that that’s not the case.” So that’s the answer? You don’t want to think about it? And you are hoping and praying? That’s it? **That’s just something that we would have to really plan for it at the greatest scale**. In simple terms, you didn’t answer the question at all. Just like no other person has done since the first explosion. Nobody, not any real media outlet, no expert, not one person has ever (that I know of) explained what the consequences would be if they have to abandon the place, what will happen if they can’t fix it. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1010 "2011-08-05T19:26:56Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The same is true for the other increases in cancer following WWII > > Somehow not a single person got any ill effect from the radiation. It’s a wonderful world we live in. Because honestly, someone, somewhere in this thread has claimed that, right? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1011 "2011-08-05T19:56:47Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > You left out cheerleaders. Yep, the worldwide nuclear cabal is so bad even this sweet lady is in on it: [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/y4CyNvEfWoE/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCOADEOgC8quKqQMa8AEB-AG-AoAC8AGKAgwIABABGGUgWShHMA8=&rs=AOn4CLDPBw_IqKcyYLQgXvuGEigYEBwyXQ "Toni Basil Hey Mickey") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4CyNvEfWoE) ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1012 "2011-08-05T22:11:17Z")
I see FXMastermind still hasn’t learned that little second grade lesson about paragraphs, yet. The ninth grade lesson about arguing with your own straw men is for later. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1013 "2011-08-05T22:19:18Z")
So interestingly my buddy the reactor core designer and his Japanese wife are visiting me today. They WERE reading over my shoulder, but they were literally incapacitated by laughter at FX’s posts. True story. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1014 "2011-08-05T23:48:08Z")
“If you tell someone the truth, make them laugh. Otherwise they will kill you.” Oscar Wilde ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1015 "2011-08-06T00:00:13Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > “If you tell someone the truth, make them laugh. Otherwise they will kill you.” > > Oscar Wilde Fear not, you’re in absolutely no danger of any kind. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1016 "2011-08-06T00:19:17Z")
Whatever made you think I was? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1017 "2011-08-06T00:26:14Z")
Whatever made you think he thought you were? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1018 "2011-08-06T00:29:13Z")
Trolls are boring. You know damn well I’m not. It’s why you are butthurt. Meanwhile back in Japan, they are putting up lead shields around the new hot spots. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1019 "2011-08-06T00:30:28Z")
Anyone in the world can watch them putting up the giant tents over the buildings. Say bye bye to building one, it will soon vanish from sight. Forever. > **[ライブカメラ - 廃炉プロジェクト｜廃炉作業の状況｜東京電力ホールディングス株式会社](https://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/f1-np/camera/index-j.html)** > > 東京電力HD「ライブカメラ」のページ。東京電力ホールディングス株式会社は、東京電力グループの持株会社です。福島第一原子力発電所事故の「責任」を果たし、エネルギー産業の新しい「競争」の時代を勝ち抜いていくために、大きな変革を実行してまいります。 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2011, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1020 "2011-08-06T08:04:08Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > You know damn well I’m not. You’re not telling the truth, making us laugh, in danger, or Oscar Wilde? One could argue for any of those. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=52)