# Rantings about stupid nuclear reporting, and I want to bitchslap somebody, also other crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077 "2011-03-26T19:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1141 "2011-08-18T18:03:14Z")
[http://enenews.com/timecom-china-syndrome-happened-fukushima-molten-fuel-melted-everything-earth](http://enenews.com/timecom-china-syndrome-happened-fukushima-molten-fuel-melted-everything-earth) The bottom may be melted away and the radiation is entering the water table. Lots of radioactive steam and extreme readings. All is well. This abortion is not shutdown because it is a continuing story. it just keeps on coming. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1142 "2011-08-18T18:06:04Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [Xoilac TV | Xôi Lạc TTBD Hôm Nay - Trực Tiếp Bóng đá 90Phut HD](http://enenews.com/timecom-china-syndrome-happened-fukushima-molten-fuel-melted-everything-earth) > The bottom may be melted away and the radiation is entering the water table. Lots of radioactive steam and extreme readings. All is well. > This abortion is not shutdown because it is a continuing story. it just keeps on coming. Thanks for that speculative article…from three months ago. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1143 "2011-08-18T18:12:25Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Thanks for that speculative article… **from three months ago**. OMG, now Gonzomax has caught teh gray too! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1144 "2011-08-18T18:41:31Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > OMG, now Gonzomax has caught teh gray too! FINALLY, a casualty. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1145 "2011-08-18T18:51:54Z")
Like the tsunami, when people ran they didn’t die. Running away is the solution to both tsunamis and nuclear meltdowns/explosions. If the nuclear shitheel used the same logic with the tsunami, they would be asking how many people died in FUDAI, Japan, to say the tsunami wasn’t that bad, the answer would be no one. > **[Politics | News from The Advocate](https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/politics/)** > > Read the latest political news in Baton Rouge, East Baton Rouge Parish and the state of Louisiana from The Advocate. See? According to the nuclear logic the tsunami wasn’t bad there because nobody died. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1146 "2011-08-18T18:53:29Z")
Oops, once again a post with a link to a source, and logical reasoning. Of course it will be followed by a dozen idiot posts, none of which will add an iota to the understanding. Yet these same shitheels bemoan the topic, want it closed, want it all to stop being discussed. Because face it, at this point only an insane person can say Fukushima doesn’t mean anything. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1147 "2011-08-18T18:57:40Z")
Your logic is, as ever, unassailable, but a quick question. Didn’t the workers at the plant stay? Or is the entire area within 50 miles completely deserted of all human life? Obviously, if that’s the case, then, the only other thing would be that human beings around the nuclear power plant were able to flee radiation at whatever speed radiation propagates (which must be as slow as water, yes?) in order to make your highly relevant analogy work. Of course, unlike the tsunami which DID kill 10’s of thousands, it seems that no one died at all near the power plant, despite being in proximity to it when the OMG WORSTEST NUCLEAR DISASTERIA IN HISTORY HAPPENED, OMG OMG OMG! Nomnomnomnom!! happened, right? So…it doesn’t quite work. But I’m sure the logic is as flawless as the rest of your assertions, I’m just missing something here… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1148 "2011-08-18T19:09:21Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > You excrete potassium all the time. The nuclear moonbat would say your urine is radioactive because it has like 16 decay events each second. More if your sodium level is high. So when you eat food with potassium it restores your levels. > > At any moment you may change the decay amounts, but it simply doesn’t matter. Your body is well adapted to repairing the very small amount of beta damage that always goes on. > > The entire potassium in your body is around 5000 decays a second. > > In contrast, a gram of cesium is producing 86.89 Curies a second, or 3,214,930,000,000 decay events a second. Or Bq if you will. > > So one gram of radiocesium equals the activity of potassium in 642,986,000 people. Yeah, that’s right. One gram of cesium is as radioactive as the potassium in 642,986,000 people. You could multiply the bananas needed to equal one gram of cesium, to understand why it’s fucking insane when somebody tries to say cesium leaking out of a reactor is not as dangerous as bananas. > > Especially when you finally realize the amount of radiocesium that leaked out, or in some cases blew the fuck out in explosions. > > But rave on, call it strawmen, do your dance. Dance for us, dance! No strawmen here, simply that you didn’t actually respond. The moment I swallow the banana there is an immediate (albeit small) increase in the ammount of potassium and of radioactive potassium in my body. Not big, not life-threatening, not more than a sicentific curiosity like saying that the scale will show more weight if an ant is on your foot when you wieh yourself. I wil ezxcrete potasium though sweat and mostly urination and go back to befiore-banan levels, but there is an increase. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > To be fair, in 12 years a gram of cesium is producing only43.4 Curies a second, so it would only equal the potassium in around 321 million people. Thanks dude, anything over 500 million gives me the creeps. * * * Still no dead or severily injured, though. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1149 "2011-08-18T19:38:13Z")
It’s like fucking magic. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > If the nuclear shitheel used the same logic with the tsunami, they would be asking how many people died in FUDAI, Japan, to say the tsunami wasn’t that bad, **the answer would be no one**. > > [Politics | News from The Advocate](http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/05/how_one_japanese_village_defie.html) > > See? According to the nuclear logic the tsunami wasn’t bad there because nobody died. > [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Still no dead or severily injured, though. See? Because everybody ran the fuck away when the radiation levels were deadly (this happened twice) and nobody died, the disaster wasn’t that bad. The Fukushima fifty, which are no longer mentioned, they didn’t really go back in and face grave danger. Suited up and brave, 50 men willing to die to save the plant, and Japan, that is just forgot. Like their names, nobody even talks about it. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1150 "2011-08-18T19:39:48Z")
During the worst point, the measurements at the gate (miles away) was 400mSv/hr Which is why nobody was anywhere near the plant at the time. But, since everybody fled, and nobody died, it wasn’t\* really\* bad. The logic, it’s impenetrable! ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1151 "2011-08-18T19:54:41Z")
Here’s the actual deal, FXM. Literally everyone in the thread understands the issues better than you. Literally everyone in the thread cares about the radiation exposure and contaminant leaks and attendant long-term risks. We just think you’re an asshole, and it’s hilarious to bust your know-nothing balls and watch you get worked up. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1152 "2011-08-18T19:56:04Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > No strawmen here, simply that you didn’t actually respond. The moment I swallow the banana there is an immediate (albeit small) increase in the ammount of potassium and of radioactive potassium in my body. No, until you digest it, but that’s a moot point. The thing is, potassium levels fluctuate, so it’s an average level. But remember to focus intently on tiny details like this, and avoid the figures for a gram of radiocesium. By all means never mention the amount that came from four reactor buildings into the ocean, land and air. Much less the health effects on people, animals and plants. Stay the course. “Nuclear power is safe”. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1153 "2011-08-18T19:58:18Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > There are several posters here who know MUCH about most things radiation/nuclear. Sadly none of them seem capable of participating. Or they would have explained how radiocesium effects people, the amounts, why the areas contaminated vary so much, all kinds of informative things. But we got nothing from them. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1154 "2011-08-18T19:59:49Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Here’s the actual deal, FXM. Literally everyone in the thread understands the issues better than you. Nonsense of course. Not only do you know little, you don’t know enough to counter the facts presented. Oh wait, even if you did know, you can’t counter a fact with your opinion. It doesn’t work like that. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1155 "2011-08-18T20:05:10Z")
[QUOTE=FXMastermind] Stay the course. “Nuclear power is safe”. [/QUOTE] With the caveat of ‘…compared to just about everything else.’ Unless you are a ranting fear monkey-troll, such as yourself…in which case trying to discuss relative risk with you is like trying to discuss Newtonian physics with a dust bunny. Actually, the dust bunny probably can comprehend Newtonian physics better than you can seemingly grasp what anyone is trying to tell you on this subject. Possibly orders of magnitude better, if it’s an average intelligent dust bunny… > [@](#): > > Sadly none of them seem capable of participating. Or they would have explained how radiocesium effects people, the amounts, why the areas contaminated vary so much, all kinds of informative things. Actually several of them have (though perhaps not in this rant thread in the freaking Pit…weenie). Unfortunately you were to stupid and to full of knee-jerkitude to comprehend what they were saying. Just about everyone who has attempted to respond to you has a much more nuanced stance than ‘Nuclear power is the bestest evah!’ one you attempt to strawman folks into. Unfortunately, you can only comprehend blind fear and ignorance, so you simply pigeonhole everyone into ‘agrees with me like that great guy gonzo’ or ‘disagrees with me, so is teh evil!’. -XT ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1156 "2011-08-18T20:13:05Z")
Fish in a barrel ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1157 "2011-08-18T21:02:07Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Like the tsunami, when people ran they didn’t die. Running away is the solution to both tsunamis and nuclear meltdowns/explosions. > > If the nuclear shitheel used the same logic with the tsunami, they would be asking how many people died in FUDAI, Japan, to say the tsunami wasn’t that bad, the answer would be no one. > > [Politics | News from The Advocate](http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/05/how_one_japanese_village_defie.html) > > See? According to the nuclear logic the tsunami wasn’t bad there because nobody died. The town and it’s residents survived without fatalities due to careful planning, long-sighted risk assessment, and their containment structure (sea wall and flood gate) standing up to the tsunami. It seems you are now arguing that more robust reactor and containment design coupled with better long range planning would have averted the disaster? I don’t think you will find anyone here that would argue against that. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1158 "2011-08-18T21:08:09Z")
Hell, I’ve argued it from the start, but FXM doesn’t acknowledge any distinction between “understands how radiation actually works; isn’t terrified of plutonium qua plutonium” and “wants to paint the world with gamma-emitting cesium and sell it to kids as candy”. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1159 "2011-08-18T21:10:56Z")
> [@Hbns](#): > > I don’t think you will find anyone here that would argue against that. You underestimate the power of the FX Strawman. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077/1160 "2011-08-18T21:12:51Z")
> [@Hbns](#): > > The town and it’s residents survived without fatalities due to careful planning, long-sighted risk assessment, and their containment structure (sea wall and flood gate) standing up to the tsunami. Yes, that is what the article I linked to says. Repeating it isn’t needed, but at least you read the link. > [@Hbns](#): > > It seems you are now arguing that more robust reactor and containment design coupled with better long range planning would have averted the disaster?. Again, that is a no brainer. Of course that is the case. > [@Hbns](#): > > I don’t think you will find anyone here that would argue against that. I doubt anyone would argue that seatbelts save lives either. What is your point? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=57) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rantings-about-stupid-nuclear-reporting-and-i-want-to-bitchslap-somebody-also-other-crap/576077.md?page=59)